Veganism – A Cult of Intolerance Founded on a Lie
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There was no such thing as rain before the flood. There was a canopy of water like an umbrella over the whole earth. It protected the inhabitants from UV rays. Water seeped from the earth as well. Before the flood, they lived hundreds of yrs and not just 100 which is what began after the flood when the canopy was removed.
Somebody gets it. PA and FNJ are correct.
I have posted dozens, maybe even more then a 100 posts here since I came on about diet and lifestyle and raw foodism and veganism and the scientific studies and also what the bible says about it and/or strongly implies.
Anyone with a open mind and average intellect and a vibrant prayer life that genuinely searches and seeks to expand can read my posts and come to your conclusions with eyes open, rather then closed, like some arr now.
How any Christian can think God is actively endorsing the killing of animals is beyond me. Read your bibles. It was not Gods original intent. We live in a fallen world, so we do it, but it is a savage act, killing. Why do you think it was such a solemn ritual when we sinned. Life for life. Jesus halted that, but man still kills.
Yes, Jesus ate fish, again, God was not endorsing it. Jesus knew it was better not to insult anyone as to turn them away, yet He also knew that eating animal flesh is a lower state of being. The life is on the blood. You all have animal blood in you.
Man got more aggressive after partaking in meat flesh.
I have studied this stuff doe not years, but decades. I have worked along side some of the best ND's and nutrition's, who are, if not world renowned, then at least known well in this country, If I didn't have a personal tragedy in early 2015, I would have finished my degree.
I came on this site 9 months with the intention of mainly to try and help and share my experience and knowledge for those who would be open to it. I keep saying it, I get paid for the info I have given out. Being a Christian, I was trying to help other Christians.
I knew from the decades of doing this it was going to be a uphill battle even with a Christian crowd, actually, especially with a Christian crowd. So many of you have no clue of what your talking about in this area and yet type and speak like you are the ones who have been studying this, and went to school for this. and practiced this for a long time. Everyone has a right to speak and to a opinion, not matter how misguided or uninformed. Just that what some of you are putting out there is patently false, and you may be misleading others who re sincerely confused, or interested about this.
Part of the problem is that the same emotional and psychological issues that drive some of you to obey every thought and word of conventional western medicine and your doctors, feeding you drugs that kill you, is what is driving you here. Your not ready to take responsibility for your health. It is easier to say veganism or a raw food diet doesn't line up with scriptures, or that it doesn't produce results then to take the time and investigate, do you diligence and homework. That takes work, and a open mind. Some of you just don't have it in you.
The other aspect is that if you do conclude it is a rational, God approved life style, and you can't or won't do it, your now burdened with the realization that your sick because you don't have self control or discipline in this arena. No one wnats that, so better to just tear it down and convince yourselves your right.
Some of you are already sick because of your lifestyles. And taking a lot of meds that are making you sicker. Some of you younger folks will be sick like the older ones in another 15, 20 years. If your okay with meds, and limited mobility and all the aches and pains that come because of your life styles, go for it.
The good news is that it will not affect your salvation one bit. It may affect your power, but not your salvation. We are all going to die. Those of you that want to die sooner, and that don't mind robbing your families and the church and the unsaved of your services and love, go for it. You'll get to experience first hand the fruit of your selfishness and ignorance.
I am the crazy one here, not you all. Your just acting out and parroting your lack of knowledge. From my years of experience I should know what I am up against, and just let it go. By repeating myself over and over, in the hope of trying to get through to some of you, I am not following Jesus example of putting out a message and who gets it, gets it, and who doesn't, doesn't. I have nothing to gain beyond the hope that I have helped some people. i don't lose any sleep if you'll don't believe. I believe in the free will and the right to make your choices. I just think that education and knowledge are important tools in making those choices. It seems some of you don't follow that same thought.
I just hope and pray that at least maybe one or two of you see the light for your own bodies sake and the sake of your service to Christ in your ministry and for you families and friends.
OT. NT, still a stiffed neck people. The price of our sin nature.
I have posted dozens, maybe even more then a 100 posts here since I came on about diet and lifestyle and raw foodism and veganism and the scientific studies and also what the bible says about it and/or strongly implies.
Anyone with a open mind and average intellect and a vibrant prayer life that genuinely searches and seeks to expand can read my posts and come to your conclusions with eyes open, rather then closed, like some arr now.
How any Christian can think God is actively endorsing the killing of animals is beyond me. Read your bibles. It was not Gods original intent. We live in a fallen world, so we do it, but it is a savage act, killing. Why do you think it was such a solemn ritual when we sinned. Life for life. Jesus halted that, but man still kills.
Yes, Jesus ate fish, again, God was not endorsing it. Jesus knew it was better not to insult anyone as to turn them away, yet He also knew that eating animal flesh is a lower state of being. The life is on the blood. You all have animal blood in you.
Man got more aggressive after partaking in meat flesh.
I have studied this stuff doe not years, but decades. I have worked along side some of the best ND's and nutrition's, who are, if not world renowned, then at least known well in this country, If I didn't have a personal tragedy in early 2015, I would have finished my degree.
I came on this site 9 months with the intention of mainly to try and help and share my experience and knowledge for those who would be open to it. I keep saying it, I get paid for the info I have given out. Being a Christian, I was trying to help other Christians.
I knew from the decades of doing this it was going to be a uphill battle even with a Christian crowd, actually, especially with a Christian crowd. So many of you have no clue of what your talking about in this area and yet type and speak like you are the ones who have been studying this, and went to school for this. and practiced this for a long time. Everyone has a right to speak and to a opinion, not matter how misguided or uninformed. Just that what some of you are putting out there is patently false, and you may be misleading others who re sincerely confused, or interested about this.
Part of the problem is that the same emotional and psychological issues that drive some of you to obey every thought and word of conventional western medicine and your doctors, feeding you drugs that kill you, is what is driving you here. Your not ready to take responsibility for your health. It is easier to say veganism or a raw food diet doesn't line up with scriptures, or that it doesn't produce results then to take the time and investigate, do you diligence and homework. That takes work, and a open mind. Some of you just don't have it in you.
The other aspect is that if you do conclude it is a rational, God approved life style, and you can't or won't do it, your now burdened with the realization that your sick because you don't have self control or discipline in this arena. No one wnats that, so better to just tear it down and convince yourselves your right.
Some of you are already sick because of your lifestyles. And taking a lot of meds that are making you sicker. Some of you younger folks will be sick like the older ones in another 15, 20 years. If your okay with meds, and limited mobility and all the aches and pains that come because of your life styles, go for it.
The good news is that it will not affect your salvation one bit. It may affect your power, but not your salvation. We are all going to die. Those of you that want to die sooner, and that don't mind robbing your families and the church and the unsaved of your services and love, go for it. You'll get to experience first hand the fruit of your selfishness and ignorance.
I am the crazy one here, not you all. Your just acting out and parroting your lack of knowledge. From my years of experience I should know what I am up against, and just let it go. By repeating myself over and over, in the hope of trying to get through to some of you, I am not following Jesus example of putting out a message and who gets it, gets it, and who doesn't, doesn't. I have nothing to gain beyond the hope that I have helped some people. i don't lose any sleep if you'll don't believe. I believe in the free will and the right to make your choices. I just think that education and knowledge are important tools in making those choices. It seems some of you don't follow that same thought.
I just hope and pray that at least maybe one or two of you see the light for your own bodies sake and the sake of your service to Christ in your ministry and for you families and friends.
OT. NT, still a stiffed neck people. The price of our sin nature.
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Romans 14:3 For one man has faith to eat all things, while another, who is weak, eats only vegetables. 3The one who eats everything must not belittle the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted him. 4Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.…
God did endorse the killing of animals. In fact, He was the first One to do it, as far as we know according to Scripture. And later He gave animals as food to eat, and pretending that Jesus ended that is just that, simply a pretense. Jesus said He only did that which God gave Him to say and to do, but you make things up and pretend you are right about it. Saying if people were open minded and studied etc we would come to your conclusion is hubris on your part. Dietary needs are connected to blood type in some paradigms, developed by people who have studied such things extensively, and in such paradigms, meat protein is a necessity for some. And yet you speak of the ignorance and selfishness of others? You are funny. Your knowledge is not one size fits all.
I am not talking about the interpretations of the bible. Although more things are clear then not, I realize there are various ways to sometimes interpret. Hence, the war room that is BDF.
The science of biology, of the body and its chemistry, etc is mostly irrefutable. I realize there is still a lot we are discovering, and we will never know everything, but most of what we do know has been proven hundreds of times using the scientific method. The bible and the science of holistic biology confirm each other. Thus, Christians should have a keener understanding and be more open to it.
You still have not answered many of my questions regarding nutrition. Here is another. Have you ever tried this life style, I mean really did it? And if so for how long? I have had people tell me they eat good and their diet stinks. If you have not, how can you testify that it doesn't work? I have a witness, in fact many, that says it does work. Real results. Very high percentages. Can you say the same for this sick and dying world that relies om synthetic greed driven man made meds?
What is funny is that most of you refuse to answer my direct questions that get to the core of the matter. Yet I reply to your inquiries.
So its not my pride, but maybe yours, that turns a blind eye.
The science of biology, of the body and its chemistry, etc is mostly irrefutable. I realize there is still a lot we are discovering, and we will never know everything, but most of what we do know has been proven hundreds of times using the scientific method. The bible and the science of holistic biology confirm each other. Thus, Christians should have a keener understanding and be more open to it.
You still have not answered many of my questions regarding nutrition. Here is another. Have you ever tried this life style, I mean really did it? And if so for how long? I have had people tell me they eat good and their diet stinks. If you have not, how can you testify that it doesn't work? I have a witness, in fact many, that says it does work. Real results. Very high percentages. Can you say the same for this sick and dying world that relies om synthetic greed driven man made meds?
What is funny is that most of you refuse to answer my direct questions that get to the core of the matter. Yet I reply to your inquiries.
So its not my pride, but maybe yours, that turns a blind eye.
I am soon going on the vegan / raw food chat sites. I have not been on them for a long time. I am going on to see if I can recruit some of them to come on here. Good chance I may know at least a handful of them who may be RWA.
Just to make it more balanced. I think at least 3 or 4 will come on here. Then you can hear it from someone else. Big world out there. Many people, especially younger people, realize what is taking place.
Just to make it more balanced. I think at least 3 or 4 will come on here. Then you can hear it from someone else. Big world out there. Many people, especially younger people, realize what is taking place.
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What a load of bunk! Of course, not eating meat was God's original plan in Eden. But post-Flood (in a post-Fall world) He gifted us with animals to eat. It's your opinion that God wasn't endorsing the eating of meat and that Jesus would eat meat only to satisfy the people around Him is frankly insulting and not something Jesus would do. He wasn't here on earth to people-please. You and I know that. Then you take the 'life is in the blood' verses out of context and talk some nonsense about mankind becoming more aggressive after partaking in eating meat. Don't you remember the state of the pre-Flood world? It was as bad and evil and violent as it could get. And vegans, oh, boy. I don't care what you people eat. But the way many vegans treat non-vegans is downright deplorable. And that comes from a worldview that animals are as valued as people. They're not. I'm all for respecting God's creation, but I will do that while eating meat.
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Yes, a healthier diet (I'm not talking a lack of meat, but less processed foods etc.) would've contributed some to there being fewer DNA mutations. But also the fact that there were far more people pre-Flood to the immediate post-Flood period (and well past the dispersion at Babel). A genetic bottleneck in the population accounts for so many things. Also, the pre-Flood world was closer to the Fall and the effects of sin on creation were probably cumulative and not as intense immediately post-Fall. But it's your opinion that the pre-Flood world was a relatively pristine environment. The Bible mentions very little about the conditions in the pre-Flood world. But the little it does show lends me to believe that the world was not only evil in every thought (humanity as a whole), but that this would've had a significant impact on the way people interacted with God's creation. So it's possible that the pre-Flood world, by the time the Great Flood arrived, was more of a wasteland than some semi-paradise.
I disagree very much with this statement. It's too broad-brush. I know there are many self-righteous vegans. I've met quite a few of them. They were the reason I hated telling anyone I was a vegetarian. I spent 7 years being a vegetarian (and very nearly vegan for some of that time) but it was due to health issues and not a belief that eating meat was wrong. I've never believed that eating meat was wrong.
I do see comments here and there about vegetarians being self-righteous and annoying and all kinds of other things, but it simply isn't always true. The loudest ones are annoying, absolutely. The self-righteous ones are annoying. The ones who try to change other people are annoying. But I'm willing to bet that you know a nice, quiet person who just happens to be a vegetarian and you'd never know it. Be careful not to hate on vegetarians as a whole or lump all of them together with militant vegans, because that's probably the reason they stay so quiet about their diet: they don't want to be associated with militant vegans.
By the way, OP, you seem rather familiar.
I do see comments here and there about vegetarians being self-righteous and annoying and all kinds of other things, but it simply isn't always true. The loudest ones are annoying, absolutely. The self-righteous ones are annoying. The ones who try to change other people are annoying. But I'm willing to bet that you know a nice, quiet person who just happens to be a vegetarian and you'd never know it. Be careful not to hate on vegetarians as a whole or lump all of them together with militant vegans, because that's probably the reason they stay so quiet about their diet: they don't want to be associated with militant vegans.
By the way, OP, you seem rather familiar.
Sorry your insulted. I am not, even though I have read many uneducated comments here, some aimed directly at me. It's not my opinion. The bible makes profound implications about this. When God told the Israels to sacrifice animals, it was not only to exhibit the solemn graveness of sin; it also was an affront to God . I am sure you know the OT was chock full of foreshadowing. This was the precursor to Jesus, the ultimate sacrifice on the cross. Whatever sadness and whatever else God felt about animals being sacrificed for mans sin, you can multiply that untold times about Jesus. But then again, that's Gods love for us, appreciate the full measure of it or not.
Jesus came here to free the enslaved. One of the aspects of His mission. Him eating meat or not was irrelevant to that. Of course that does not alter the truth about animal flesh ingested. No salvation ramifications eating flesh, it's a moot point in that aspect. Of course we are cutting our years and service short by doing so. That's everyone's choice though, either knowingly or through blissful ignorance.
The state of the pre flood world was thus in part because of flesh ingestion. Also probably because of the Nephilim. If you can't make one of the correlations of today's rapidly declining ethics, (and there a a handful of reasons, but this next one is a big contributor) here, let me help you. Our food, be it flesh or even vegan, has more harmful chemicals in them then ever in the history of man. We are eating higher protein diets with more animal products. This is one reason why Americans are getting bigger, but the downside is we are getting sicker and more prone to sex and violence.
Please allow me to suggest you read the following book.
Mindset by Carol Dweck. It talks about people who are stuck in fixed mindsets., These people usually avoid challenges, give up easily, become threatened by no paradigms, and try to appear as smart and capable as possible.
As opposed to a growth mindset. These people embrace challenges, learn from others and from new ideas, and through feedback, believe intelligence can change if they work hard.
I just finished it. So you don't think I am insulting you, because that is not my aim, I learned a lot from the book to. Good luck with it.
Jesus came here to free the enslaved. One of the aspects of His mission. Him eating meat or not was irrelevant to that. Of course that does not alter the truth about animal flesh ingested. No salvation ramifications eating flesh, it's a moot point in that aspect. Of course we are cutting our years and service short by doing so. That's everyone's choice though, either knowingly or through blissful ignorance.
The state of the pre flood world was thus in part because of flesh ingestion. Also probably because of the Nephilim. If you can't make one of the correlations of today's rapidly declining ethics, (and there a a handful of reasons, but this next one is a big contributor) here, let me help you. Our food, be it flesh or even vegan, has more harmful chemicals in them then ever in the history of man. We are eating higher protein diets with more animal products. This is one reason why Americans are getting bigger, but the downside is we are getting sicker and more prone to sex and violence.
Please allow me to suggest you read the following book.
Mindset by Carol Dweck. It talks about people who are stuck in fixed mindsets., These people usually avoid challenges, give up easily, become threatened by no paradigms, and try to appear as smart and capable as possible.
As opposed to a growth mindset. These people embrace challenges, learn from others and from new ideas, and through feedback, believe intelligence can change if they work hard.
I just finished it. So you don't think I am insulting you, because that is not my aim, I learned a lot from the book to. Good luck with it.