Who's REALLY at fault?

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We have been told to watch out for ourselves, and to search the Scriptures for ourselves....... BUT, if we choose, instead, to believe whatever we hear a person say, whether it comes from our preacher, some person on here, a televangelist, or even the Catholic Pope.................................... Then who is really at fault for following False Information?
 
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We have been told to watch out for ourselves, and to search the Scriptures for ourselves....... BUT, if we choose, instead, to believe whatever we hear a person say, whether it comes from our preacher, some person on here, a televangelist, or even the Catholic Pope.................................... Then who is really at fault for following False Information?
Well, James says that teachers will be judged with greater strictness (James 3:1), but we're also told to "test the spirits" (I John 4:1). So I think both the teacher teaching falsehood, and those not testing what they say against scripture are at fault.
 
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Well, James says that teachers will be judged with greater strictness (James 3:1), but we're also told to "test the spirits" (I John 4:1). So I think both the teacher teaching falsehood, and those not testing what they say against scripture are at fault.
Then, would you say one has, ultimately, MORE responsibility than the other, or not?
 
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One has ultimate responsibility in everything.
 

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I think it has to be the persons responsibility to find truth. I say that as someone that until I was saved 4 years ago didn't care at all about "truth" at all, and really thought that even "truth" could be subjective.

I couldn't imagine being raised in a false religious system were you are raised from birth to believe a certain way. To even be able to break free from that is amazing in itself, but then afterward to open yourself up to any other belief system, I imagine, would be next to impossible outside the power of God pulling you in.

It's such a personal thing that it's hard to say "it their responsibility to find truth" in some very hard situations. That said I believe that God can and will open the eyes of anyone truly seeking truth where ever they are.
 
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We have been told to watch out for ourselves, and to search the Scriptures for ourselves....... BUT, if we choose, instead, to believe whatever we hear a person say, whether it comes from our preacher, some person on here, a televangelist, or even the Catholic Pope.................................... Then who is really at fault for following False Information?
Yes, I find it troublesome when someone seems to be blindly following his pastor, or someone else. We are responsible for our own actions, so we need read our Bibles and pray constantly.
 
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Then, would you say one has, ultimately, MORE responsibility than the other, or not?
If the teacher is willfully teaching heresy, (especially to people who cannot learn it on there own for whatever reason), he's going to have a heavy burden on his shoulders, come judgement day. But who has MORE responsibility? I'm not God :) the Bible makes it very clear some sins are worse than others, but God doesn't always tell us which ones are worst.
 
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Then who is really at fault for following False Information?
The one following false information is at fault for following false information. Do you follow what I'm saying?
 
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The one following false information is at fault for following false information. Do you follow what I'm saying?

Ha! Good point. :)
 
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If the teacher is willfully teaching heresy, (especially to people who cannot learn it on there own for whatever reason), he's going to have a heavy burden on his shoulders, come judgement day. But who has MORE responsibility? I'm not God :) the Bible makes it very clear some sins are worse than others, but God doesn't always tell us which ones are worst.
Just curious. Who do you know who WILLFULLY teaches heresy? I know a lot of people who (I happen to feel) are misguided and probably in error, but I don't think even one of them believes what they are teaching is wrong.

So, who do you know who is willfully teaching something they believe is a lie?
 
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That is a difficult question. I would say that anyone preaching a Gospel other than the Gospel of Christ (as is stated in Scripture) is willfully preaching heresy.

Galatians 1:6-9
 
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Just curious. Who do you know who WILLFULLY teaches heresy? I know a lot of people who (I happen to feel) are misguided and probably in error, but I don't think even one of them believes what they are teaching is wrong.

So, who do you know who is willfully teaching something they believe is a lie?
Trick question. If I answer that question:
a. You'd get all over my case for daring to out them.
b. Others would too.
c. I'd be banned from this site.

How about that? Now who is at fault for that?
 
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Trick question. If I answer that question:
a. You'd get all over my case for daring to out them.
b. Others would too.
c. I'd be banned from this site.

How about that? Now who is at fault for that?
That's what I was thinking, too ;).

But, there have been people historically who have taught heresy on purpose, knowing full-well that what they taught was wrong which was what I was getting at.
 
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Tin,

what you have just is so true, but oh, so very sad to realize...
 
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we understand your words, but for us, 'we are WAY BEYOND' being 'horrified' by anyone
or anything...:rolleyes::) - we only FEAR God and give our whole selves to serving Him,
and to do what-so-ever He Commands of us...
 

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The church is at fault completely. Have you ever read some of the stuff they post that are their beliefs and then posting what they don't belief, like cutting out hundreds of pages from the Gospel. As new believers, someone should be reading contrary things against the bible, as dwarfing their faith in Christ, and his miracles. I'm going to post something about it here, going to get it, horrible stuff. Saying they don't believe in ;miracles of healing, deliverance of sickness's of the body etc, that's like saying why pray it's not real, and Jesus is not the healer, think I'm kidding, I'm not, then singing about it, WElls without water.
 

KALYNA18

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not going to post but the bottom line is this. 'Whose report are you going to believe." this is what the scriptures say, SO believe man, of God.
 
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This might be a LITTLE off topic sounding, but i really dont think it is, so i'll share it anyway? I went to a church today and met a kid about 24 years old? He had tattoos on his hands, and was a writer, some offensive word was seen by the preacher there so he wouldn't listen to anything the kid had to say. And it's just like... this is how it is. All of us are Sinners. ALL OF US. But, your sin is different than mine. And my sin is different from the next guys and his from the guys after him, So since my sin is different i get ticked off at that guy and he gets ticked off at the other guy and all that occurs is contempt and violence and hatred. And we're ALL guilty of it, noone moreso than the other. So idk, again it might be a little... Not to accurate of an answer to your question but it's just something i said out loud today anyhow
 

KALYNA18

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not going to post but the bottom line is this. 'Whose report are you going to believe." this is what the scriptures say, SO believe man, of God.
This is on a website of a professing so to say church who don't even belive in miracles and posted this, the name I wont put as not to slander, They are wrong as I've lived with miracles and speak in tongues, and many on here are penticostal, they ar
We believe that Pentecostalism is Satan’s counterfeit to true revival. God sent a true revival to Wales and other places in 1904-1905. Soon after this genuine movement of God, there followed a satanic revival counterfeit, called the Azusa Street Revival. From this wicked confusion and sin-filled beginning sprang the Pentecostal Movement -- Satan’s counterfeit of true revival. Pentecostalism has become quite popular. From Pentecostalism has sprung such doctrines as Prosperity Theology and Tongues. The Soft Charismatic movement and Chuck Smith's Calvary Chapel also came forth from these Pentecostal roots. Pentecostalism in its various forms emphasizes many things, but rarely either Jesus or the Bible. The result is that all-too-often churches which are packed with lost churchgoers who have spoken in tongues or have “prayed a prayer”; but who do not know that they are wretched, blind, miserable, poor, and spiritually naked. Jesus described such people in the third chapter of
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To deny Jesus works why even say they believe in him. Jesus was all about miracles. Havln't they read the BIBle? No wonder they are wells without water, the real living waters, of the Spirit of the Lord.
 
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