Who's REALLY at fault?

This is on a website of a professing so to say church who don't even belive in miracles and posted this, the name I wont put as not to slander, They are wrong as I've lived with miracles and speak in tongues, and many on here are penticostal, they ar
We believe that Pentecostalism is Satan’s counterfeit to true revival. God sent a true revival to Wales and other places in 1904-1905. Soon after this genuine movement of God, there followed a satanic revival counterfeit, called the Azusa Street Revival. From this wicked confusion and sin-filled beginning sprang the Pentecostal Movement -- Satan’s counterfeit of true revival. Pentecostalism has become quite popular. From Pentecostalism has sprung such doctrines as Prosperity Theology and Tongues. The Soft Charismatic movement and Chuck Smith's Calvary Chapel also came forth from these Pentecostal roots. Pentecostalism in its various forms emphasizes many things, but rarely either Jesus or the Bible. The result is that all-too-often churches which are packed with lost churchgoers who have spoken in tongues or have “prayed a prayer”; but who do not know that they are wretched, blind, miserable, poor, and spiritually naked. Jesus described such people in the third chapter of
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To deny Jesus works why even say they believe in him. Jesus was all about miracles. Havln't they read the BIBle? No wonder they are wells without water, the real living waters, of the Spirit of the Lord.

The church is at fault completely. Have you ever read some of the stuff they post that are their beliefs and then posting what they don't belief, like cutting out hundreds of pages from the Gospel. As new believers, someone should be reading contrary things against the bible, as dwarfing their faith in Christ, and his miracles. I'm going to post something about it here, going to get it, horrible stuff. Saying they don't believe in ;miracles of healing, deliverance of sickness's of the body etc, that's like saying why pray it's not real, and Jesus is not the healer, think I'm kidding, I'm not, then singing about it, WElls without water.

Just curious. Who do you know who WILLFULLY teaches heresy? I know a lot of people who (I happen to feel) are misguided and probably in error, but I don't think even one of them believes what they are teaching is wrong.

So, who do you know who is willfully teaching something they believe is a lie?

Again with the personal attack. Why do responses always have to have a personal attack? How about if I respond back with 'the only reason a person would include an attack in their response is to deflect attention from their own suspicious actions'?

This is why I am spending increasingly less time here at CC.

Not really a personal attack as a general statement. It doesn't make it any less true for anyone though. if you took offence, then I'm sorry you feel that way. It wasn't directed at anyone in particular, I just jumped in (I think it's called HIPPO?).

This might be a LITTLE off topic sounding, but i really dont think it is, so i'll share it anyway? I went to a church today and met a kid about 24 years old? He had tattoos on his hands, and was a writer, some offensive word was seen by the preacher there so he wouldn't listen to anything the kid had to say. And it's just like... this is how it is. All of us are Sinners. ALL OF US. But, your sin is different than mine. And my sin is different from the next guys and his from the guys after him, So since my sin is different i get ticked off at that guy and he gets ticked off at the other guy and all that occurs is contempt and violence and hatred. And we're ALL guilty of it, noone moreso than the other. So idk, again it might be a little... Not to accurate of an answer to your question but it's just something i said out loud today anyhow

I'm curious, taking this a step farther ... someone teaches an error believing it is true. They are corrected by many, but continue to believe and teach the error. Would that fall under willfully teaching an error, since they willfully did not change their beliefs in the face of correction?

I'm curious, taking this a step farther ... someone teaches an error believing it is true. They are corrected by many, but continue to believe and teach the error. Would that fall under willfully teaching an error, since they willfully did not change their beliefs in the face of correction?

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Ricky,

if they truly believe that what they are 'teaching' is right, then, this would fall under
the category of 'a sin of ignorance'...

it is our opinion that they are guilty of a 'stubbornness or a kind of pride', that the Bible
teaches us is akin to witchcraft'...our Father divvies out our punishments and our rewards.
may we all be humble enough to receive correction when appropriate, this is a
true sign of a True Christian...

why does it matter? if both have a responsibility, then they should both fulfill their duty. What does it matter who is at fault or is in more trouble for failing to do what they should? if you fail to teach the truth you are in just as much doody as I am if I fail to discern the truth. The only reason that I can think of anyone wanting to find out who is more at fault in anything is so they can justify their own shortcomings.

So, perhaps that is the reason Joel, Joyce and others get attacked so much?

I think they get attacked because people (who have fulfilled their responsibility of testing the spirits) are angry and act out on it. It also depends on what you define attack as.
Are you defining a well reasoned and evidence based warning as an attack? or just the namecalling halftruth/halfoutrage statements? or both?
I don't think the first is an attack but a gentle warning and there is nothing wrong with being angry but acting on the anger is what matters.
My comment is to the effect of this: You here a false teaching and don't do your part of searching the scriptures until you finally decide to (for whatever reason) and find that what you are taught is wrong, you can be angry but what good will it do to try and find who is more at fault? If the teacher is telling false statements and you don't do your own research, then you are both equally at fault. When you finally do your research, then you are no longer falsehoods and if you absolutely must act on your righteous anger then a rebuke to the teacher and if it does nothing then a gentle and factual warning to others should be sufficient. Why put the burden of finding who is more at fault on yourself or others when it does NO GOOD?

It sounds like you are saying, and rightfully so, that we are looking in the wrong direction when we work so hard to label certain teachers False, ( and a lot of other much more nasty things if you have ever read any of the hundreds of railings against them on here). That we should be accepting responsibility for knowing enough of the word to be able to decide not to listen to things we don't find scriptural...... instead of saying "It is that TV teacher's fault I believe inaccurate things."...... or that other people believe such things. Is that pretty much a correct assessment of your words?

That's about right.