Are dragons evil?

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Ugly

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I am not sure why, but I have a fascination with dragons. (even though they don't really exist) but the bible mentions the dragons. I am not sure where or what it says, so can anyone tell me where please? My mom does not like dragons. I write books that involve dragons, but they are not evil or anything. Yet she doesn't like them and says they're evil... What does the bible say and what do you all think?
I've heard of people who say snakes are evil. Frogs are evil. There's always someone out there calling something evil.
 
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kennethcadwell

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I've heard of people who say snakes are evil. Frogs are evil. There's always someone out there calling something evil.
Yes this comes from symbolism. People hear of something associated to something bad and just assume its all bad.
 

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<----Does Puff the magic dragon look evil to you????
Psst… that's Elliot and Pete from Pete's dragon (one of my favorite childhood movies). Sometimes you just can't trust google it seems.
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This is Puff (from the old cartoon movie)


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Neither look particularly evil to me. And if we're going to start saying that things used symbolic of evil or bad in the Bible are inherently evil then things look pretty bad for Babylon and Egypt.
 

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there are a number of Psalms that use a word referring to some creature unknown to the translators that the KJV renders "dragon"

Thou didst divide the sea by thy strength: thou brakest the heads of the dragons in the waters.
(Psalm 74:13)

Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.
(Psalm 91:13)

Praise the LORD from the earth, ye dragons, and all deeps
(Psalm 148:7)

that last one seems to indicate that whatever creature the psalmist was referring to was simply a natural beast, and not inherently evil. there is a difference between the symbolic language of Revelation where Satan is clearly called a dragon and other verses like these that are referring to some created animal.

looking at the KJV, you have to remember that it's written in an old form of the English language, and a lot of words carried meaning at that time that is largely lost on people today, if they're not familiar with the idioms and connotations that would have been common 400 years ago. i always say, the more Shakespeare you read & understand, the more sense the KJV will make!
not to comment on the usefulness of the KJV versus any other translation. i love it for the beauty of it's phrasing, but i'm not any kind of "kjv only" nut.
 
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Way I see it the common animal dragon, also called dinosaur, might not be "Evil" so to say, however history and folktales alike are pretty much in agreement that they were angry and irascible creatures that caused problems for humans. Then of course there be the re-occuring implications that Satan is a dragon gone bad and no doubt he is evil.

I get your ma's viewpoint. Lol I think past superstitions that it is moreso the modern culture making out all the traditional enemies of the past into friendly cute things that dismays some of the elders. Lol as far as high fantasy writing goes, I prefer the traditionalist point of view myself and say the only place dragons belong in a fairy tale is at the end of a valiant knight's sword.
 
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Richie_2uk

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Way I see it the common animal dragon, also called dinosaur, might not be "Evil" so to say, however history and folktales alike are pretty much in agreement that they were angry and irascible creatures that caused problems for humans. Then of course there be the re-occuring implications that Satan is a dragon gone bad and no doubt he is evil.

I get your ma's viewpoint. Lol I think past superstitions that it is moreso the modern culture making out all the traditional enemies of the past into friendly cute things that dismays some of the elders. Lol as far as high fantasy writing goes, I prefer the traditionalist point of view myself and say the only place dragons belong in a fairy tale is at the end of a valiant knight's sword.
Perhaps read Revelation 12:9 " And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him"

and

Revelation 16:13

And I saw, coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs

Perhaps you may have a different view now on Dragons.
 
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Perhaps read Revelation 12:9 " And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him"

and

Revelation 16:13

And I saw, coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs

Perhaps you may have a different view now on Dragons.
Lol idk, that kinda just fortifies my all ready existing view lol.
 
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lookingforgod

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tell her this everything has the potential to be evil as they do good. the angel Raphael took the form of a great gold dragon to walk through hell.
 
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tell her this everything has the potential to be evil as they do good. the angel Raphael took the form of a great gold dragon to walk through hell.
Uhhhhhhh, where in the Bible be that? I understand Raphael is in the pseudo-epigraphical work of Book of Tobit, but even in that book Raphael never turns into a dragon.
 

crossnote

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Heyyy, Don't forget the Unicorns..are they good?

Num_23:22 God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.
Num_24:8 God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.
Job_39:9 Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?
Job_39:10 Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?
Psa_29:6 He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.
Psa_92:10 But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn: I shall be anointed with fresh oil.
 
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Unicorns are rhinocerous, you have people up to Marco Polo (and maybe after) referring the Rhinos as unicorns, pretty much since the start.

Raphael and a Golden Dragon though, that ain't even in the Catholic pseudo-epigrapha. which is where the only even semi-valid mention of Raphael occurs. And as far as google search results I can't even find this one on the internet even! New fantasy novel perhaps?
 
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Tintin

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there are a number of Psalms that use a word referring to some creature unknown to the translators that the KJV renders "dragon"

Thou didst divide the sea by thy strength: thou brakest the heads of the dragons in the waters.
(Psalm 74:13)

Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.
(Psalm 91:13)

Praise the LORD from the earth, ye dragons, and all deeps
(Psalm 148:7)

that last one seems to indicate that whatever creature the psalmist was referring to was simply a natural beast, and not inherently evil. there is a difference between the symbolic language of Revelation where Satan is clearly called a dragon and other verses like these that are referring to some created animal.

looking at the KJV, you have to remember that it's written in an old form of the English language, and a lot of words carried meaning at that time that is largely lost on people today, if they're not familiar with the idioms and connotations that would have been common 400 years ago. i always say, the more Shakespeare you read & understand, the more sense the KJV will make!
not to comment on the usefulness of the KJV versus any other translation. i love it for the beauty of it's phrasing, but i'm not any kind of "kjv only" nut.
I'm no fan of the KJV but this is one instance where it excels. All modern translations (while God's Word) have caved and are interpreted in light of evolutionary theory. Therefore, if some passage/verses describe a dinosaur, they're seen as mythical or symbolic. I believe there are instances of symbolism and references to pagan mythology, but some just read like observations out in nature from eye witnesses.
 

crossnote

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Unicorns are rhinocerous, you have people up to Marco Polo (and maybe after) referring the Rhinos as unicorns, pretty much since the start.

Raphael and a Golden Dragon though, that ain't even in the Catholic pseudo-epigrapha. which is where the only even semi-valid mention of Raphael occurs. And as far as google search results I can't even find this one on the internet even! New fantasy novel perhaps?
Funny, I never saw a rhino skip :confused:

Psa_29:6 He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.
 
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To answer the OP: Dragons as the fantastical creatures of myth and legend. No, not all dragons are portrayed as evil in mythology, with the exception of Norse and British/Celtic mythos. In the end, these are entertaining stories. So, no dragons are not evil.

THE DRAGON is evil. Don't become obsessed with him.
 

Desdichado

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I worry more about satyrs and ambitious women.
 
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Funny, I never saw a rhino skip :confused:

Psa_29:6 He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.
Oh dear Unicorn Conspiracy?!

Lol, you know North Korea did claim to have found a Unicorn Tomb now that I think of it lol. Just for the sake of fun. Be unicorns animals or myth, lol I just couldn't help but chuckle of all countries to find a unicorn tomb it be North Korea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRNAB8yPDfU
[video=youtube;vRNAB8yPDfU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRNAB8yPDfU[/video]
 

crossnote

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Oh dear Unicorn Conspiracy?!

Lol, you know North Korea did claim to have found a Unicorn Tomb now that I think of it lol. Just for the sake of fun. Be unicorns animals or myth, lol I just couldn't help but chuckle of all countries to find a unicorn tomb it be North Korea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRNAB8yPDfU
[video=youtube;vRNAB8yPDfU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRNAB8yPDfU[/video]
lol, I wonder if the unicorns are required to clap in N. Korea.
 
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MarkMulder

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Oh dear Unicorn Conspiracy?!

Lol, you know North Korea did claim to have found a Unicorn Tomb now that I think of it lol. Just for the sake of fun. Be unicorns animals or myth, lol I just couldn't help but chuckle of all countries to find a unicorn tomb it be North Korea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRNAB8yPDfU
[video=youtube;vRNAB8yPDfU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRNAB8yPDfU[/video]
WE found a unicorn LIAR :rolleyes: