Can't See God Correctly

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kaylagrl

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Well this is humiliating but I've had to give up homosexuality. I was gay for fifteen years. Also had to give up my career dreams BC I felt God saying no on them. Its really quite embarrassing about the gay thing BC no one is going to understand how much it hurts to let go after you've been through it.

There is an old song we use to sing.One line went "He gave me beauty for ashes". Its hard to let go of old ways,old things.We're like children,we think what we have in our hand is best.But God sees into the future. Yes,its hard to let go but in the end God has our ultimate best in mind.When we pine for the past we're not understanding what God is trying to work in us. The Jews learned this the hard way.They wanted to go back to Egypt,where they were slaves.To them that was better than being in the desert eating manna. They were willing to go back into bondage and lose their freedom because it was safe,it was comfortable and familiar in Egypt. Thats the way we are,we were comfortable in our old life,we're not sure we can trust God to take us in a new direction. We all face issues in trusting God. But if you push forward,if hold on you will be able to say "He gave me beauty for ashes".
 

flatlinej

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There is an old song we use to sing.One line went "He gave me beauty for ashes". Its hard to let go of old ways,old things.We're like children,we think what we have in our hand is best.But God sees into the future. Yes,its hard to let go but in the end God has our ultimate best in mind.When we pine for the past we're not understanding what God is trying to work in us. The Jews learned this the hard way.They wanted to go back to Egypt,where they were slaves.To them that was better than being in the desert eating manna. They were willing to go back into bondage and lose their freedom because it was safe,it was comfortable and familiar in Egypt. Thats the way we are,we were comfortable in our old life,we're not sure we can trust God to take us in a new direction. We all face issues in trusting God. But if you push forward,if hold on you will be able to say "He gave me beauty for ashes".
He gave me beauty for ashes ....I hope that happens!
 

flatlinej

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[video=youtube;EsWaFBq8cm0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsWaFBq8cm0[/video] I hope this song melts your heart like it did mine.
its very good! I'll add these songs to my YouTube page
 
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kaylagrl

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#44
He gave me beauty for ashes ....I hope that happens!
The thing is,He's doing it now,you just can't see it yet. Don't let the devil fool you into thinking things were better in slavery. Stick around,there are people here that have faced what you have.They are a testimony that God can deliver and heal us from our past.
 

flatlinej

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The thing is,He's doing it now,you just can't see it yet. Don't let the devil fool you into thinking things were better in slavery. Stick around,there are people here that have faced what you have.They are a testimony that God can deliver and heal us from our past.
Thank you! I will
 
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Ugly

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You DO know that Jesus was harsh sometimes, right? He yelled, got mad, called people names, and brandished a whip in front of the money changers in the temple..
And who did he do that to? Religious leaders abusing their lower and people defining the temple.
When he met the woman at the well did he yell and act harsh?
When they brought an adulterous woman to him ready to stone her was it not Jesus that gave her mercy?
There's a difference between using righteous anger on those that deserve it and trashing people seeking help. Don't twist scripture to justify your mistreatment of others.
Most people Jesus came in contact with he was not harsh with.
 

flatlinej

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And who did he do that to? Religious leaders abusing their lower and people defining the temple.
When he met the woman at the well did he yell and act harsh?
When they brought an adulterous woman to him ready to stone her was it not Jesus that gave her mercy?
There's a difference between using righteous anger on those that deserve it and trashing people seeking help. Don't twist scripture to justify your mistreatment of others.
Most people Jesus came in contact with he was not harsh with.
Thank you, glad someone said something.
 

CherieR

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You may like this song and the story behind it. Sometimes people put up masks of having it all together when it is not true. Often when people put up masks it is because they fear judgement from others or perhaps have the faulty belief that the strong don't cry or feel pain. Yet when we are open and real to others about our pain and struggles, that is where healing can begin. When you are open to others about your weakness, pain. and trials instead of hiding, that is when you show strength.

[video=youtube;tA0sJXOGeNE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA0sJXOGeNE[/video]

As for learning more about God, how he is like, I would start with his love. Study from Scripture God's love. One good passage is the parable of the prodigal son. Also begin to imagine... Imagine a father with his daughter. Watching her grow, dancing with her and spinning her in circles as she laughs, kissing her goodnight. Imagine a bridegroom with his bride. The excitement and joy in his eyes. Imagine God delighting in you, smiling at you, singing over you. Imagine God holding you in his arms, close to his heart(see Isaiah 40:11). Don't strive; rest in his love. It takes time learning about God, getting what you have heard about him from your head and into your heart. Keep on asking God to make his love more and more real to you and to reveal more and more of his heart to you.

Dream big! God is the God of impossibles!
 
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breno785au

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Hey flatline,

It's like a catch 22, in order to see God correctly we have to seek Him bur there are lies we believe which in turn can determine our actions which keep us from seeking / having communion with Him.
 
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joefizz

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#53
Truthfully, many have told her, but she keeps at it, so we usually ignore anymore.
Nah she is very kind,just direct and unwavering,everyone is "different" like me I'm perhaps the most "bizarre" Christian on here because of my choice of word selections and day to day changing personality,some days,I'm harsh,some days I'm sarcastic,some days I'm genuinely kind,some days I'm fired up for God and weeding out the devil's children,some days I'm goofing off and posting overwhelmingly in miscellaneous and singles forum,everyone can say something and another person "get the wrong impression" but if you "search their heart" you learn truth,blue lady bug is a tough warrior for God that wants to help,there is merit in that,unfortunately sometimes people need a more "gentle like" person,but overall we are all still learning "how to reach others" without being offensive or hurtful,but that's not an easy task.
 

Huckleberry

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Can't See God Correctly
See God for who He is, I.e., He's your Father.
It's a parent-child relationship.
Parents require respect and obedience for the
good of the child, not for the good of the parent.
And when the child disrespects and/or disobeys,
the punishment is not done out of anger, but love.
And if the child runs away (leaves the faith), the parents
would not forsake him, but instead seek him out desperately.
The parent's love is unconditional and often unrequited.
 

blue_ladybug

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I'm not mistreating this OP. Nor am I trashing her, so that's TWO LIES on your part.
I'm trying to get her to understand that her attitude is an obstacle to her getting positive changes in her life. SHE got defensive and assumptious and called ME "self-righteous and mean". She doesn't appear to want to hear what she needs to do to change. I see alot of "I I I" in her posts, but where is God in all this???

And no, Jesus was not harsh with the woman at the well, or with MOST He came in contact with. But there WERE times when He did get rather angry.


And who did he do that to? Religious leaders abusing their lower and people defining the temple.
When he met the woman at the well did he yell and act harsh?
When they brought an adulterous woman to him ready to stone her was it not Jesus that gave her mercy?
There's a difference between using righteous anger on those that deserve it and trashing people seeking help. Don't twist scripture to justify your mistreatment of others.
Most people Jesus came in contact with he was not harsh with.
 

blue_ladybug

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This is rich, seeing as it's coming from YOU, the single most confrontational, angriest person on the site. And many others have told you that, but you keep at it too, and that's why you're on people's ignore lists...

It's up to the OP whether she wishes to change her life or not. If she remains defensive and assumptive, she won't. But if she listens to much of the advice people have given here, she will. Either way, I'm done. I'm tired of trying to help people who refuse to help themselves and get their knickers in a twist when offered sound advice.

Truthfully, many have told her, but she keeps at it, so we usually ignore anymore.
 
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J,
Been thinking about you and I remember something now. I remember being you.

Think about it. We spent X number of years of our life thinking we were who we were. And then poof -- we're born again. No longer that person, but someone new. First birth has to be easier, because we had nothing to compare it with. Or, at the very least, we weren't that baby in the womb all that long, so it wasn't ingrained in us.

We were used to who we were. Maybe not all that happy with ourselves, but at least we knew who we were. And then this big change. Birth -- about the biggest change there is in life.

And we can no longer rely on who we were. And who we were is an affront to who we are now. So, yeah, lots of things get tossed out the window. But, what replaces all that? We have a vague idea, but nothing concrete yet, and we know we're no longer the interior decorator. (The Lord is.) All in all, life gets messy during the sweep out. We're discombobulated because we now know we're no longer in charge, but we're still new with the one who is in charge.

Picture spring cleaning to the messiest of rooms. Along with the mess, the furniture gets moved about too. We're swimming in the mess as it's being tossed to the side, but ultimately, the room will look so much better.

Yes! When you first come to the Lord, life gets messier. You lose friends, you lose your old purpose, you lose all your old comforts. You might even lose family. (Or, they just look at you funny for a while.) You have to readjust to the fact you aren't merely in control of your life, but you never were. This is what you're going through.

It gets better than this. I'm not saying nothing bad will ever happen again, because looking back at my life, a whole lot of bad happened again. BUT, you get to know the Interior Decorator better, and he becomes a friend, family, mentor, teacher, comfort, and comfort giver. He already is that, but you're just going through the befuddlement stage, when you see your old life melting away.

We felt secure in our old life. At least we thought we were, only to find out we never were. But it was familiar, so it really is a loss. And then we face our true security and the one who really will make it all better -- not merely in heaven, but as we live on earth too.

I remember being you. I remember confused and befuddled. I more remember it got far better than I could imagine. And it was worth the trip, because the Lord is worth everything. No. Seriously not easy. Worth it though.
 

flatlinej

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J,
Been thinking about you and I remember something now. I remember being you.

Think about it. We spent X number of years of our life thinking we were who we were. And then poof -- we're born again. No longer that person, but someone new. First birth has to be easier, because we had nothing to compare it with. Or, at the very least, we weren't that baby in the womb all that long, so it wasn't ingrained in us.

We were used to who we were. Maybe not all that happy with ourselves, but at least we knew who we were. And then this big change. Birth -- about the biggest change there is in life.

And we can no longer rely on who we were. And who we were is an affront to who we are now. So, yeah, lots of things get tossed out the window. But, what replaces all that? We have a vague idea, but nothing concrete yet, and we know we're no longer the interior decorator. (The Lord is.) All in all, life gets messy during the sweep out. We're discombobulated because we now know we're no longer in charge, but we're still new with the one who is in charge.

Picture spring cleaning to the messiest of rooms. Along with the mess, the furniture gets moved about too. We're swimming in the mess as it's being tossed to the side, but ultimately, the room will look so much better.

Yes! When you first come to the Lord, life gets messier. You lose friends, you lose your old purpose, you lose all your old comforts. You might even lose family. (Or, they just look at you funny for a while.) You have to readjust to the fact you aren't merely in control of your life, but you never were. This is what you're going through.

It gets better than this. I'm not saying nothing bad will ever happen again, because looking back at my life, a whole lot of bad happened again. BUT, you get to know the Interior Decorator better, and he becomes a friend, family, mentor, teacher, comfort, and comfort giver. He already is that, but you're just going through the befuddlement stage, when you see your old life melting away.

We felt secure in our old life. At least we thought we were, only to find out we never were. But it was familiar, so it really is a loss. And then we face our true security and the one who really will make it all better -- not merely in heaven, but as we live on earth too.

I remember being you. I remember confused and befuddled. I more remember it got far better than I could imagine. And it was worth the trip, because the Lord is worth everything. No. Seriously not easy. Worth it though.
Yes, your exactly right. That is what's happening. My mistake also was I pushed away my grief instead of dealing with it, and pretended I was a perfect little Christian for awhile. that didn't work, so now I'm a mess.

Our Pastor said the longer your an unbeliever, and get saved, the worst it will be for you, the harder it is. so I'm 43, and that's a long time to live a certain way. Thank you for recognizing that!
 

G00WZ

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I really don't know how to say it, but I'll try. I've been born again for two years, its been the hardest two years ever. I've read a lot of my Bible, pray, I even tell God my frustrations, even though I'm embarrassed by them. truth is, I'm not feeling it. after reading tons of stuff, I'm so weary of hearing that dying to self is a good thing, we can't have our dreams come true, etc. God has made me give up a large number of things, how can I not be upset? when I think about leaving this faith behind, I think to myself: I can't. He would punish me, even take my life if he had to, I'm stuck. so that's how I feel lately, and a lot..stuck with Him, not feeling good about it. I'm tired of christian cliches, and guilt trips,cookie cutter nonsense, phrases like..its not about you, your a horrible sinner, etc. these things don't help people feel better about themselves. I try to notice everything he does, I'm thankful for little things. I just feel helpless. I'm trying to write out my feelings more, but this will take time. I've prayed often for Him to give me a better perception of him, for months now, and he never has. I don't know why I'm putting myself out to be beaten up, but I'll try anyway. What can you do if you feel flatline? if when you read his promises, there's nothing there? you live a miserable existence, a trial that's extended an entire year, and no breaks in between? its hard to look at God and not be upset.
If my views can't get better I'll be in a bad place.



I would say to renew your mind to who He is and who you are in him, and Him in you.. In a perception of self outside of God without acknowledging him within you its very easy to find holes and flaws within yourself, And in this perception its even easier to become alive to the flaws, holes and weaknesses rather than being alive to truth. Change happens when a person starts to see, and live to the way God sees... The promises are there, but they are out of reach if you come with the wrong mindset.