Favorite Anti-Feminist Songs

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Women comes in so many different varieties that even Heinz would lose track of it. Whenever I'm reading what people are writing, it strikes me that women are considered being some uniformed group which is either feminists or not. I don't know any of the other women in this thread, and I can only be speaking for myself now.

There are times when I feel that people calling themselves feminists are attacking me rather viciously, not on here, but in real life, because I have chosen a lifestyle that is an abomination to some of the people referring to themselves as feminists. However, I don't believe real feminists are behaving like that.

I was a stay at home mom and a part time worker for years while the kids were younger. I'm doing all the domestic work in our home, organizing the day, looking after the kids, cooking, cleaning, you name it. I do it because I enjoy doing it. I'm cut out for work like that, even though some people would start moaning and telling me how stupid I am.

The ugly truth is that I couldn't bring home the amount of money he is to save my life. We would be miserable if the roles were switched. Yet there are people, high and mighty knows it all kinda folks, telling me what I'm doing aint no good, and that I should pursue a career and not be wasting my time at home.

Don't get me wrong, I've spent time on the career wagon myself, but I didn't like it, it was not a place where I felt like spending time. I like staying at home, caring for my family, and being the hostess when need be.
when i was a girl and "women's lib" was big, mom was a stay at home mom.
all the other ladies scolded her for it, and said, don't you want to be liberated and get a job?!?

mom calmly replied, being 'liberated' doesn't mean i have to get a job. being liberated means i know i can if i want to.

big difference, and it's one of the most vivid memories of my childhood. :)
 
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Have your place in the home, you're entitled. Don't take away from women who have fought so you have the choice to enter the workforce before and during marriage, earn as much as your male coworkers and do everything they can to protect you from harassment while you're earning your bread. Respect them and join them in their efforts to make the world a better place.
mom calmly replied, being 'liberated' doesn't mean i have to get a job. being liberated means i know i can if i want to.

Brilliantly compatible. Thankyou.
 
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when i was a girl and "women's lib" was big, mom was a stay at home mom.
all the other ladies scolded her for it, and said, don't you want to be liberated and get a job?!?

mom calmly replied, being 'liberated' doesn't mean i have to get a job. being liberated means i know i can if i want to.

big difference, and it's one of the most vivid memories of my childhood. :)
I agree. I went to college and got a degree, but my lifetime goal is to take care of my family and that would require me to be at home. I do aspire to be a caterer but like you said being liberated I know I can if I want
 

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I am glad it is established that feminism is not against women staying at home and being traditional.

That is ignorance on the topic which is what many of the other women on the thread have addressed.

Be it in India or the USA, the truth is society has not reached “the perfect” stage yet.
Taking an example right from this thread, we have societal conditioning with things like “men are fixers, women are verbal” and how women are better suited for nurturing professions. (this is nothing against the posters who brought it up)

However, is this even true? There is no conclusive evidence for either but at the end of the day, it is just opinions.

I wonder what the true extent of impact a teacher may have on female students with such ideas and philosophies ingrained in herself, even though these are never verbally communicated.

PS - Bingo! I did come across a few studies on the harmful effects of teacher's hidden biases. Clearly, they have a huge impact.

[The US has one of the largest gender gaps in math and science performance. This is not true in the rest of the world. Girls outperformed boys in more countries in a science test given to 15-year-old students in 65 countries — but in the United States, boys led the girls.]

New Reports Reveal How Teachers’ Hidden Biases Are Hurting Our Girls | Time.com

The NBER Paper : On The Origins of Gender Human Capital Gaps: Short and Long Term Consequences of Teachers' Stereotypical Biases

Nice infographic: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...e-exam-but-not-in-the-united-states.html?_r=0
 
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It’s ironic how an audience can listen to a singer’s song and romanticize the song and the singer. The audience imagines that the singer must have been this type of person and have a particular set of values, as if they knew the celebrity personally.

Tammy Wynette had 5 husbands and multiple divorces during her short lifetime. To my knowledge, Hillary Clinton has only had 1 husband, and she’s still married to him.

Tammy Wynette: 5 Husbands - Much-married celebs - Pictures - CBS News

In many ways, Tammy’s life was very tragic. Some of her husbands were physically and mentally abusive to her. It’s even been suggested that she was sexually abused as a child because she was made to sleep in the same bed with her grandfather until she was 11 yrs old. Those who love her song Stand By Me often hold her up as some paragon of anti-feminism, yet they probably aren’t aware of her other hit songs: Divorce and Till I Can Make It On My Own ( a song about life after divorce).

Based on her biography ( 5 husbands), Tammy Wynette was probably more like the woman at the well (John 4:1-30) who desperately needed the living water that Jesus offered. I sure hope Tammy Wynette got that living water before she died at the middle age of 55.

Anthem to a life destroyed: Country singer Tammy Wynette's tragic life laid bare in new biography | Daily Mail Online
I knew Wynette had led a tragic life and was divorced, I did not mean the singers were necessarily antifeminists, but that particular songs are antifeminist. Like you, I hope she was saved.
 
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[video=youtube;95rvDSGAz2s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95rvDSGAz2s[/video]

:rolleyes: from 1977..
 
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Sure there are women who don’t want to be political activists in any way but that doesn’t discount their feminism. As far as I’m concerned, you’re a feminist if you are a woman. That’s enough. Before you an American, Australian, a mother, sister or anything else, you’re a woman. It’s very important that feminism is not defined, that it’s allowed to grow and be organic. Feminism is a movement. It’s ongoing. It’s a social justice movement to end oppressive social systems.

It's a shortsighted and confused claim, the notion "I don't like what they believe but I do want what they've done" or just sad ignorance
"we've got it all covered now, thanks, go kick up a fuss elsewhere, you're in the way of traditional values." So you can profess to believe in equality but it’s a separate matter if you actually do something to get yourself and others there, that's the truest test of all.

There were no references or names pointed specified previously to illustrate the op's point, apart from the one child china policy which was phased out officially in 2015 but, rather, generalizations and false anecdotes. I've found a few simple references that illustrate two of the issues that women face not only in the west exclusively but on American soil in particular, of which I have both lived and worked on, independent of this I have formal education in gender studies so a dismissal as a misunderstood international isn't warranted.

http://https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/10/global-gender-gap-2016-usa-saadia-zahidi/

Gender Inequality and Women in the US Labor Force
For U.S. Women, Inequality Takes Many Forms | HuffPost



There's so many fundamental challenges that feminism faces today. Primarily including economic, reproductive freedom and bodily autonomy and we have to resist being complacent about it. The ignorance in the op's thread and ongoing posts is a frightening illustration of this. Girls were and still are in many societies traditionally brought up to be domesticated and to strike out in power in a very harnessed way, there's only been limited progress in this. Liberation is on the way and we've only just begun.
Do modern day feminists insist that women must bear the badge "feminist" simply because we are women? Are we not allowed to reject labels that might be repugnant to us? I'd like to think I am liberated enough to identify with any sort of political ideology I choose. I am a southerner, but would reject anyone telling me I must by a part of the KKK just by virtue of being born in the South.

I think it SHOULD definitely be defined. How else are we to know what the goals of the movement are, without a clear definition? For example, if the goals are simply to "end male oppression" in a very vague sort of way, I would like to know what constitutes said oppression, and what the proposed solutions are. Desdichado said it better, so I won't beat a dead horse.

Why must disliking what a group believes, while liking what they have done be incompatible? I am not a Catholic, and do not adhere to many of their beliefs, but I like many of the things the Catholic Church has done for civilization, and the things the Church continues to do through its charities.

My position is that women in the United States are not oppressed. But, women in other countries most certainly face male oppression. I rather think that activists would spend their time more wisely fighting female mutilation, the denial of education, human trafficking and Sharia law in other countries.

I don't trust the Huffington Post to give an unbiased report about anything.

Reproductive freedom, is that a euphemism for abortion rights?

American women are fully liberated, in every way. Although I will definitely agree that women in other countries are oppressed.
 
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I am glad it is established that feminism is not against women staying at home and being traditional.

That is ignorance on the topic which is what many of the other women on the thread have addressed.

Be it in India or the USA, the truth is society has not reached “the perfect” stage yet.
Taking an example right from this thread, we have societal conditioning with things like “men are fixers, women are verbal” and how women are better suited for nurturing professions. (this is nothing against the posters who brought it up)

However, is this even true? There is no conclusive evidence for either but at the end of the day, it is just opinions.

I wonder what the true extent of impact a teacher may have on female students with such ideas and philosophies ingrained in herself, even though these are never verbally communicated.

PS - Bingo! I did come across a few studies on the harmful effects of teacher's hidden biases. Clearly, they have a huge impact.

[The US has one of the largest gender gaps in math and science performance. This is not true in the rest of the world. Girls outperformed boys in more countries in a science test given to 15-year-old students in 65 countries — but in the United States, boys led the girls.]

New Reports Reveal How Teachers’ Hidden Biases Are Hurting Our Girls | Time.com

The NBER Paper : On The Origins of Gender Human Capital Gaps: Short and Long Term Consequences of Teachers' Stereotypical Biases

Nice infographic: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...e-exam-but-not-in-the-united-states.html?_r=0
Ah! But many feminists today DO deride women who choose to stay at home. I just read an article online by a feminist stating that it should be illegal for women whose children have reached school age to stay home. Many feminists are also against women who are prolife, and profamily. Feminists regulary denounce traditional women's groups as "ignorant" and "harmful".

I do not believe society will ever reach perfection, simply because society comprises people- and people are imperfect. It will take the Second Coming of Christ in order to achieve a perfect society.

This does not mean I think we should throw our hands up and say "what's the point?" I simply do not ascribe to the idea that women in the US are oppressed.

No, there is no conclusive evidence that women are not as suited to professions in STEM as men. I personally believe there is a combination of both nature and nurture that steers most girls toward the nurturing professions. I don't know that it is something to deplore, that scientifically and mathematically gifted girls are more attracted to medicine than to physics, or IT.

I am well aware that a teacher's hidden biases may hurt different demographics for different reasons. I am very glad that a former student of mine who is enrolled at a prestigious high school for mathematics and science was not hurt by my traditional outlook. She plans to be an aeronautical engineer. I had the great pleasure of teaching her science in both sixth and eighth grades, as well as coach her in Scholars' Bowl (a quiz bowl team) for three years. I am very glad my traditionalism did not harm her from pursuing her dream. As a matter of fact, I recall encouraging her to apply to the prestigious school she is enrolled in, back when she was 11 years old and told me her dream of being an engineer.
 
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I am glad it is established that feminism is not against women staying at home and being traditional.

Thanks, the irony is that it took myself to acknowledge it, to first raise it as a valid point, in lieu of clarifying the op's extreme statements that were totally unfounded. The prejudice they've incited from their ignorance in this thread is astounding,

That is ignorance on the topic which is what many of the other women on the thread have addressed. Be it in India or the USA, the truth is society has not reached “the perfect” stage yet.
Anti feminists in the late 1800’s and early 1900’s resisted women’s suffrage while in the 20[SUP]th[/SUP] century they opposed the equal rights amendment. Does that mean I should use the OP ploy of simplistic, jumping to extreme’s and claim that anti feminists are against rights for women? The running theme woven throughout their comments, apart from when they’ve used the same terms as myself or what they’ve recently discovered, the original post and following statements are aptly summed up as simplistic, ignorant connections to feminism that are fabrications, total generalizations and based on ignorance and prejudice. What is claimed in one hand they're ‘FOR’ is not compatible with the concepts that are rejected in the other. As I stated in my first post, education is the solution.


 
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No, and perhaps I should have defined the term as there seems to be some misunderstanding among our international users as to why women may proudly proclaim to be antifeminists.
I would venture to say the vast majority of women and men in the US, I would hazard near 100%, absolutely believe in equal pay for equal work, and it is codified in our law. So, if a woman is NOT being paid equally, she had recourse to the law. It is pretty much a non issue, now. I am not saying it does not happen- but it is illegal and can be remedied. I would say nearly 100% men and women in the US believe women have the right to vote, hold public office, go to school and university, and obtain any job available. This is pretty much a non issue, too.

This is what might be termed "historic feminism" or first wave feminism.

The problem is with third wave feminists, who think that all sorts of things are "male oppression", like manspreading- a man sitting with his legs apart to accomodate his anatomy, or "mansplaining" a man speaking condescendingly to a woman, or air conditioning, or the word "bossy", or women choosing to be homemakers, etc. This is all under the umbrella of feminism today, not to mention abortion. I guess abortion is my main problem with it.

It also denigrates men in an effort to uplift women, and says "women do not need men". Well, God made women to need men and men to need women. Just today, I read a person's post on another Christian forum saying that a woman's use of the f word was feminism.

It is rather dreadful, what feminism in this country is. I am not a feminist, but it does not mean I believe in domestic abuse, ir that men should be paid more for the same job.
But we don't have recourse if we're not paid the same, unless we're rich and/or can afford to not get a paycheck the entire time the lawsuit is happening and/or don't mind footing the lawyer's fee if we lose. (And 50% of the time, someone loses.)

This happened to me, and there wasn't a thing I could do about it other than look for another job.

If you found out your male co-workers were being paid more for the same job, what would you do? It's pretty much guaranteed, if you sue, the bosses will find some excuse to fire you "on just grounds." Then, why sue them? And, if you did quit, how long does it take you to find that next job? Do you have the money, if it takes longer than you expect? And do you really have the inclination to spend the next 1-5 years of your life around lawyers, paying lawyers, being updated on why your bosses are dragging their feet this week/month/quarter, and then why they're doing the same thing again and again?

I don't think you would consider Jennifer Lawrence out of touch by today's standards, but she was underpaid when she played Katniss. It's still happening. And it's happening because we rarely feel capable of dealing with it. And, why would you pay the same if you can pay less?
 
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Sure there are women who don’t want to be political activists in any way but that doesn’t discount their feminism. As far as I’m concerned, you’re a feminist if you are a woman. That’s enough. Before you an American, Australian, a mother, sister or anything else, you’re a woman. It’s very important that feminism is not defined, that it’s allowed to grow and be organic. Feminism is a movement. It’s ongoing. It’s a social justice movement to end oppressive social systems.

It's a shortsighted and confused claim, the notion "I don't like what they believe but I do want what they've done" or just sad ignorance
"we've got it all covered now, thanks, go kick up a fuss elsewhere, you're in the way of traditional values." So you can profess to believe in equality but it’s a separate matter if you actually do something to get yourself and others there, that's the truest test of all.

There were no references or names pointed specified previously to illustrate the op's point, apart from the one child china policy which was phased out officially in 2015 but, rather, generalizations and false anecdotes. I've found a few simple references that illustrate two of the issues that women face not only in the west exclusively but on American soil in particular, of which I have both lived and worked on, independent of this I have formal education in gender studies so a dismissal as a misunderstood international isn't warranted.

http://https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/10/global-gender-gap-2016-usa-saadia-zahidi/

Gender Inequality and Women in the US Labor Force
For U.S. Women, Inequality Takes Many Forms | HuffPost



There's so many fundamental challenges that feminism faces today. Primarily including economic, reproductive freedom and bodily autonomy and we have to resist being complacent about it. The ignorance in the op's thread and ongoing posts is a frightening illustration of this. Girls were and still are in many societies traditionally brought up to be domesticated and to strike out in power in a very harnessed way, there's only been limited progress in this. Liberation is on the way and we've only just begun.
Considering Australia, England, Canada, and the US do not force women to be sterilized, there is only one thing I can think you're talking about for "reproductive freedom." The right to kill the baby.

Nope! Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope! We do NOT have the freedom to kill babies!!!

You're "I am woman hear me roar" just became a battle cry to kill babies.

Not. Even!!!
 
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It’s ironic how an audience can listen to a singer’s song and romanticize the song and the singer. The audience imagines that the singer must have been this type of person and have a particular set of values, as if they knew the celebrity personally.

Tammy Wynette had 5 husbands and multiple divorces during her short lifetime. To my knowledge, Hillary Clinton has only had 1 husband, and she’s still married to him.

Tammy Wynette: 5 Husbands - Much-married celebs - Pictures - CBS News

In many ways, Tammy’s life was very tragic. Some of her husbands were physically and mentally abusive to her. It’s even been suggested that she was sexually abused as a child because she was made to sleep in the same bed with her grandfather until she was 11 yrs old. Those who love her song Stand By Me often hold her up as some paragon of anti-feminism, yet they probably aren’t aware of her other hit songs: Divorce and Till I Can Make It On My Own ( a song about life after divorce).

Based on her biography ( 5 husbands), Tammy Wynette was probably more like the woman at the well (John 4:1-30) who desperately needed the living water that Jesus offered. I sure hope Tammy Wynette got that living water before she died at the middle age of 55.

Anthem to a life destroyed: Country singer Tammy Wynette's tragic life laid bare in new biography | Daily Mail Online
Not quite sure how either could rise to the degree of "someone worth respecting." I'd trust a five-timed-divorcee more than someone who accomplices her husband to commit rape multiple times. As much as I dearly love my husband, if I ever found out he raped someone, (and he's just not that kind of guy), I'd be helping the target get him in prison for the long haul. I certainly wouldn't be threatening the target to keep quiet, like she did.
 
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Bollocks. Just because you are an object doesn't mean you have to ascribe to a political or social movement seeking to improve the lot of said object.

Ex) I'm a man, therefore I should be an MRA.

I'm not. Though I'm sympathetic to what they say about divorce law.

Ex) I'm white therefore I should be an Alt-Righter

I'm not. Though I think they are right in there interpretation of some socioeconomic factors.

Ex) I'm Jewish therefore I should be a Zionist

This could almost continue ad infinitum, People reject movements based on this rationale because they are often ineffective, over-reactive, exclusionary, evil, etc. They deliver something completely different than the promise, something worse than the promise, or the promise at too great a cost.



The hope that something will be expressed socially, not political is a hallmark of these ideologies. Particularly in the Modern Era.

Often they are stumped by the question of how. Communism was supposed to have an expression in every industrialist society. Spontaneously. But they were stumped by practical considerations.

How do you herd cats? It's why you have Leninists, Trotskyists, Stalinists, etc.

This is true of laudable enterprises as well. The Reformation had a broad goal (maybe speaking too broadly)- a Church with an authority structure and view of salvation closer to the authoritative attempt of God via his writers. We all know what happened there.

Leaders and how they seek to define and implement ideas are indispensable. You have them whether you like it or not. And those who think they don't are sometimes the most subservient.



This leaves no room for the virtues of proportionality. It's both possible and likely that going too far to stop one problem will start a few others. Or that the act of stopping the problem is outweighed by the cost of doing so.

Some social reforms are sufficient. Clearly one woman's "short-sighted" is another woman's prudent.





I'm not going to read these mostly because I do not have the time today. Alas.

What I can tell you is referenced above in my ideology list- it's possible to have a right set of data points and be utterly wrong as to what they mean and what one should do about them. If there is a political movement that coincides with the interpretation, one must be extra careful because members are incentivized to miss factors and cook the books.

Ex) Richard Spencer is right that the white demographic in the United States is getting smaller. He's right that areas for the very white midwest experienced economic decline.

But is he right about the nature of the problem? Is he right in his proposed solutions? Nope.

It seems you assume Galatea doesn't know the facts and figures. Maybe she does, but she doesn't arrive at the same conclusion.





Nope, feminism's biggest challenge is feminism itself. I do not know how Third Wave feminism is sold in other countries, but here it's an atrocious freak show, complete with parade floats displaying sexual organs, slut walks, 'healthy at any size' nonsense, the occasional Sharia advocate, a parade of pieces written by the clinically insane (see Everyday Feminism and this gem), "patriarchy" blaming that leads to man-hating, and absolutist ties to abortion and extreme political Leftism.

Galatea is a smart, savvy woman who is probably better read than you are. She probably would've been on board with feminism in an earlier time But this kind of talking-down to combined with the lunacy I just described is exactly what draws them away from feminism and makes them more likely to entertain traditionalist arguments.

It sets you back.

Again, any good and successful movement understands the importance of leaders, proportionality, and the state of political discourse. They know how to weed and prune their movement into being more attractive and better at what it does.

But if you want to live in a fantasy world of spontaneous revolution and burn a few heretics like Galy (my new nickname for her), then by all means.
(I bolded the part I'm reacting to.)

Honestly? I won't read it because I've got enough anarchy-posing-as-liberal crap on the news. I don't need to seek out more from Huffington. I'd rather read The Onion. At least that is supposed to be funny. lol

Now, although I do know isolated cases when women really were paid less than their male counterparts, I also trust this is a more accurate story than Huffington. (5.5 minutes, so you know how much time it takes to watch it.)

[video=youtube;QcDrE5YvqTs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcDrE5YvqTs[/video]
 
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I am glad it is established that feminism is not against women staying at home and being traditional.

That is ignorance on the topic which is what many of the other women on the thread have addressed.

Be it in India or the USA, the truth is society has not reached “the perfect” stage yet.
Taking an example right from this thread, we have societal conditioning with things like “men are fixers, women are verbal” and how women are better suited for nurturing professions. (this is nothing against the posters who brought it up)

However, is this even true? There is no conclusive evidence for either but at the end of the day, it is just opinions.

I wonder what the true extent of impact a teacher may have on female students with such ideas and philosophies ingrained in herself, even though these are never verbally communicated.

PS - Bingo! I did come across a few studies on the harmful effects of teacher's hidden biases. Clearly, they have a huge impact.

[The US has one of the largest gender gaps in math and science performance. This is not true in the rest of the world. Girls outperformed boys in more countries in a science test given to 15-year-old students in 65 countries — but in the United States, boys led the girls.]

New Reports Reveal How Teachers’ Hidden Biases Are Hurting Our Girls | Time.com

The NBER Paper : On The Origins of Gender Human Capital Gaps: Short and Long Term Consequences of Teachers' Stereotypical Biases

Nice infographic: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...e-exam-but-not-in-the-united-states.html?_r=0
Meh. I guess I could go back to my sociology prof in college and tell her she's wrong...but given she was 30 years older that I was, it's really not likely she'd care, even if she is alive.

BTW, she was shocked that I, a mere first semester frosh, could answer a question all the seniors in the class couldn't. She asked what type of society America had at that time. I answered "matriarchal." It still is, but they put it in bumper sticker ditties now. "Ain't no one's happy, until Momma's happy."

I knew who the boss of the family was growing up. Mom!

(BTW, your sources? They're not newspapers anymore. They're propaganda machines. Good to check out who you're trusting for your news. Even the Washington Post doesn't consider the NY Time a real paper.)
 

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The paper is from NBER (National Bureau of Economic Research).

The article is from Time which talks about the research.

The infographic is from NY Times. If you don't like the NY Times, the study with the research they refer to is from the O.E.C.D (Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development)






Meh. I guess I could go back to my sociology prof in college and tell her she's wrong...but given she was 30 years older that I was, it's really not likely she'd care, even if she is alive.

BTW, she was shocked that I, a mere first semester frosh, could answer a question all the seniors in the class couldn't. She asked what type of society America had at that time. I answered "matriarchal." It still is, but they put it in bumper sticker ditties now. "Ain't no one's happy, until Momma's happy."

I knew who the boss of the family was growing up. Mom!

(BTW, your sources? They're not newspapers anymore. They're propaganda machines. Good to check out who you're trusting for your news. Even the Washington Post doesn't consider the NY Time a real paper.)
 
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But we don't have recourse if we're not paid the same, unless we're rich and/or can afford to not get a paycheck the entire time the lawsuit is happening and/or don't mind footing the lawyer's fee if we lose. (And 50% of the time, someone loses.)

This happened to me, and there wasn't a thing I could do about it other than look for another job.

If you found out your male co-workers were being paid more for the same job, what would you do? It's pretty much guaranteed, if you sue, the bosses will find some excuse to fire you "on just grounds." Then, why sue them? And, if you did quit, how long does it take you to find that next job? Do you have the money, if it takes longer than you expect? And do you really have the inclination to spend the next 1-5 years of your life around lawyers, paying lawyers, being updated on why your bosses are dragging their feet this week/month/quarter, and then why they're doing the same thing again and again?

I don't think you would consider Jennifer Lawrence out of touch by today's standards, but she was underpaid when she played Katniss. It's still happening. And it's happening because we rarely feel capable of dealing with it. And, why would you pay the same if you can pay less?
You have a valid point in the case of women who are not well off, that is the reason why many women who are not paid equally turn to class action law suits like the female employees in the Wal- Mart case.

As far as Jennifer Lawrence being underpaid, I think the biggest demographic for movie goers are young males. This is why, unfortunately, comic book movies an blow 'em ups predominate. Hollywood is a business and the actors who are paid more are the ones whose movies bring in the money.
 
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Considering Australia, England, Canada, and the US do not force women to be sterilized, there is only one thing I can think you're talking about for "reproductive freedom." The right to kill the baby.

Nope! Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope! We do NOT have the freedom to kill babies!!!

You're "I am woman hear me roar" just became a battle cry to kill babies.

Not. Even!!!
I think the majority of feminists today agree with abortion. This is one of the main reasons why I reject the term. Reproductive rights is a euphemism for the right to abort.
 
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The paper is from NBER (National Bureau of Economic Research).

The article is from Time which talks about the research.

The infographic is from NY Times. If you don't like the NY Times, the study with the research they refer to is from the O.E.C.D (Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development)
By job description, I was often a paper pusher. But the papers I pushed brought about required action. (Memos, bookkeeping books, client files for rehab/runaway shelter/group home work, legal briefs, grants, etc.) Warehousing reports so people can talk about stuff without doing anything, is wasted time, money, and space. When the chief goal of an organization is to have forums about..., it's really not worth paying attention to. And, yeah, Time and NY Times are simply propaganda vendors. Who are the ones paying them, and what do they want from them? (The customers aren't the readers.) Figure that out, and you start to see how the info is skewed and why.
 
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They're schmaltzy, but a lot of people like schmaltz. It is probably a good thing you don't know what the terms mean. I honestly think we all have different definitions for feminist.
Seeing as how I am not a woman; seeing as how I am not particularly friendly towards women - I don't think I am entitled to have an opinion about what women do or what they think. *shrugs*