Flu Shots & Vaccine Dangers (The public needs to know)

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Angela53510

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Small pox is in the same family, but totally different. Small pox is deadly most of the time. Shamefully, the early traders in Canada gave the natives blankets infested with small pox. They had no immunity at all, it was an Old World disease. On Vancouver, Island alone, 20,000 natives died within a year of small pox.

The small pox immunization is to infect you with cow pox. Edward Jenner, a doctor in the 17th century noticed milk maids rarely got small pox. He tracked it down to the fact they had all had cow pox, another mild disease like chicken pox (came from chickens??) and starting inoculating children with the cow pox bacteria. None of the children got small pox in the next epidemic, so he extended his theory and started vaccinating everyone. Probably the first known vaccine, I would guess.

I am old enough to have had the small pox vaccination as a 5 year old. I remember having a high fever and a large, itchy pox on my arm, on my birthday. Not fun! I thought I was immunized forever, but recently heard I would need a booster, to make me safe. If there is another outbreak of small pox, I will certainly get it.

I am also old enough to have had Red Measles (very, very sick), Rubella or German measles, (not sick at all, just a rash) and chicken pox. Chicken pox is nothing, if you get it young enough. But, as an adult, it is dormant in the spine, and it becomes active as shingles, which is horrible. I’ve had shingles 4 times, the first one took 6 months to get over, because I would not go off my RA meds, which suppress the immune system. I might make a different choice if it happened again.

The problem with German measles, is that if a pregnant mom gets it, her child can be born deaf. I used to live in near Vancouver, and there was a whole cohort of deaf children, whose mother’s got it during an epidemic. They literally set up a whole program for those children from K to grade 12. I knew several moms whose children were deaf, and they were so pro-vaccine, you coudln’t imagine. How traumatizing to know a disease you got, destroyed your child’s chance of ever hearing.

As far as the flu shot, I can’t take it. I used to get it in the 1980s. The first 2 years I was fine. The third year, I had the flu 7 times, the last time I had to be hospitalized I was so bad. The doctor in the hospital told me I should have had the flu vaccine. When I told him I had, he told me to never have it again. I haven’t, and I have never had the flu. I wonder what that doctor knew that he wasn’t telling me! I mean, if it works, well, great. Except, how do you know you would not have had it, anyway?

That being said, I absolutely believe in vaccines for children. So many diseases have been eliminated, or were, before this anti-vaccine nonsense conspiracy happened. Children used to die all the time of these diseases, which are unknown today. Well, like I said, till someone brings a disease back from a foreign country or elsewhere, and all the kids who have not had the vaccine get sick.
 
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toinena

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We had the shots as children. And my son did too. I see it as important also to protect the population at large against polio, tuberculosis, measles, rubella and small pox.
 

Tommy379

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My problem is, I can't get the small pox vaccine in the United States. They won't give it here.
 
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Small pox, is that the same as chicken pox?

I had that as a child. It was annoying and ithcy, but it wasn't that bad. A common flu is worse.
See that remnant of a scar at the top of your arm, close to the shoulder? (Might be the shoulder.) That was from the small pox vaccine you got when you were a baby. You might remember the scab from your son's vaccine too. (Assuming all mothers go through that "what have I done to my poor baby" thing after they see the blood.) It's also the reason most people don't get small pox anymore.
 

Tommy379

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George Washington could have used the last of his war chest to buy new shoes are immunized the army from small pox. He chose small pox, and our army lived, while the British died.
 
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My problem is, I can't get the small pox vaccine in the United States. They won't give it here.
Not really a problem at all. You got it as a baby too. They do give it in the US. Some parents are morons and think their child might bet autism if they get the vaccines, so avoid it now, but then again, that's why the US is getting hit with diseases we haven't seen in decades. Some parents are morons.
 

Tommy379

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Not really a problem at all. You got it as a baby too. They do give it in the US. Some parents are morons and think their child might bet autism if they get the vaccines, so avoid it now, but then again, that's why the US is getting hit with diseases we haven't seen in decades. Some parents are morons.
No I did not, the vaccine has not been offered in the United States since before I was born.
 
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Miri

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I got chicken pox for the first time as an adult aged 29.

Apart from being itchy I was fine. Dr couldn’t believe it
she wanted to send me to hospital to be on safe side.
I only went to Dr to get a sick note so I refused. Lol

Its the only childhood thingy I’ve ever had.

Oh and ive never had the flu. :D
 
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jaybird88

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I know a girl who was mentally disabled after getting vaccines as a toddler. Heartbreaking.
my niece has speech issues after getting vacs when a baby and going into seizures. we are extremely thankful she is not retarded like the majority of the other babies that have bad reactions.
i believe this is a serious issue that needs more public awareness. and whats worse is when you bring it up so many will mock and ridicule you for it, call you a crazy conspiracy theorist.
 
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Tinuviel

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my niece has speech issues after getting vacs when a baby and going into seizures. we are extremely thankful she is not retarded like the majority of the other babies that have bad reactions.
i believe this is a serious issue that needs more public awareness. and whats worse is when you bring it up so many will mock and ridicule you for it, call you a crazy conspiracy theorist.
I am so sorry! Thank God it wasn't worse than that. And I agree; it is too bad that more people won't respect facts, or at least, respect it as your opinion and history. Everyone is entitled to make their own choices for themselves and their children, but they should know about this possibility.
 
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It's a shame how people blindly accept a flu shot as medical law.

Several things take place to prove the flu shot is problematic:

1. There were fewer cases of the flu before the flu shot was invented.

2. Somehow, the flu is only caught in the winter months, when other viruses die in cold weather. Most viruses die in cold weather, but the flu lives on because those that take the shot are carriers of it.

3. When people receive the flu shot, they actually receive weakened live viruses. Then what happens? that virus is spread to others & people catch it that wouldn't have caught it in the first place.

4. I am witness to my own father when he was alive, every time he took the shot he got the flu. 2 years straight, then he didn't take it the 3rd year & never got it. Listened to his doctor the 4th year & took it again. And got it again.

After all those years of begging him not to do it, he learned the hard way & finally quit...... never to get it again.
 
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Susanna

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Well, everyone's most certainly entitled to their opinion, but where are the sources providing evidence for claiming vaccines are dangerous?

If Youtube vids is the only evidence, well, that's just not good enough.
 

notmyown

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Small pox is a completely different virus then chicken pox
yes, you are correct. Variola is smallpox; varicella is chicken pox.

you are also correct that you're too young to have received the Variola vaccine. i was, but it doesn't necessarily confer lifetime immunity.
 
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No I did not, the vaccine has not been offered in the United States since before I was born.

Wow! I AM old! You're right.

Ha! If it breaks out, you're a goner and I get older.
 
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yes, you are correct. Variola is smallpox; varicella is chicken pox.

you are also correct that you're too young to have received the Variola vaccine. i was, but it doesn't necessarily confer lifetime immunity.
Ah, nuts! I'm a goner, too!
 

Tommy379

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Wow! I AM old! You're right.

Ha! If it breaks out, you're a goner and I get older.
The CDC keeps it in warehouses, but won't let us have them. My only option is to fly overseas.
 
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jaybird88

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Well, everyone's most certainly entitled to their opinion, but where are the sources providing evidence for claiming vaccines are dangerous?

If Youtube vids is the only evidence, well, that's just not good enough.
exactly, i just saw a utube video that said Jesus was Jewish and had 12 disciples. just like i have always read in the bible but i guess thats wrong.
 
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Susanna

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exactly, i just saw a utube video that said Jesus was Jewish and had 12 disciples. just like i have always read in the bible but i guess thats wrong.
Well, a blind hen can also find a grain.

Guess that's wrong too.

Haha.