Help understanding the connection between religion and science.

Id appreciate some links to books/websites that can better explain the connection between science and religion. Im mostly confused about young earth vs. old earth. I have no problem believing that the big bang could have been Gods way of creating the universe, but when it comes to the age of the universe, religion and science vary greatly.

Also, the connection between dinosaurs and humans. As far as i know there is no direct mention of dinosaurs in the bible, yet its impossible to deny that they existed.

The Bible will point out that the Lord created science, and not the other way around. That doesn't make science a bad thing, though.

I never said science was a bad thing, I merely wish to understand their connection to each other.

I like to think of science as Gods way of revealing the amazingness of his creation. This thread is to help understand the areas that people claim science "Disproves" creationism.

I'm not into the creationism debate. I think science is a good thing, but remember the Lord created science and can uncreate it just as easily.

Dr dino, if it still exists

The Institute for Creation Research

Answers in Genesis - Creation, Evolution, Christian Apologetics

It is a possibilty god used the big bang to form the unniverse i acctualy had an athiest admit that to me one time as far as old vs young earth really impossible to know for sure i mean God exist out of time so how do we measure his time an yes the bible says he created the universe in seven days but if you think about it if God would have said he created the unicerse in 13.8 billion years they wouldnt have known what he ment so maybe he put into something they could comprhend......... also we refer to the big bang theroy as a creation theroy but really its bot its a formation theroy it says 13.8 billion years ago all matter was in a hot dence state that exploded out forming the universe into the state it is now.. but it says bothing about how the matter was created or. What form the universe might of been in predating the bigbang...

In the words of the Blessed Pope John Paul II:

"The Bible itself speaks to us of the origin of the universe and its make-up, not in order to provide us with a scientific treatise, but in order to state the correct relationships of man with God and with the universe. Sacred Scripture wishes simply to declare that the world was created by God, and in order to teach this truth it expresses itself in the terms of the cosmology in use at the time of the writer."

And from the Catechism of the Catholc Church:

"Methodical research in all branches of knowledge, provided it is carried out in a truly scientific manner and does not override moral laws, can never conflict with the faith, because the things of the world and the things the of the faith derive from the same God. The humble and persevering investigator of the secrets of nature is being led, as it were, by the hand of God in spite of himself, for it is God, the conserver of all things, who made them what they are."

In terms of Evolution vs. Creation Pope Benedict XVI stated:

"According to the widely accepted scientific account, the universe erupted 15 billion years ago in an explosion called the 'Big Bang' and has been expanding and cooling ever since. Later there gradually emerged the conditions necessary for the formation of atoms, still later the condensation of galaxies and stars, and about 10 billion years later the formation of planets. In our own solar system and on earth (formed about 4.5 billion years ago), the conditions have been favorable to the emergence of life. While there is little consensus among scientists about how the origin of this first microscopic life is to be explained, there is general agreement among them that the first organism dwelt on this planet about 3.5–4 billion years ago. Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on earth are genetically related, it is virtually certain that all living organisms have descended from this first organism. Converging evidence from many studies in the physical and biological sciences furnishes mounting support for some theory of evolution to account for the development and diversification of life on earth, while controversy continues over the pace and mechanisms of evolution."

And the Blessed Pope John Paul II stated, after affirming there is no true conflict between Evolution and faith:

"Theories of evolution which, because of the philosophies which inspire them, regard the spirit either as emerging from the forces of living matter, or as a simple epiphenomenon of that matter, are incompatible with the truth about man."

This website will give a look at Genesis as seen through the eyes of ancient Hebrews, a new perspective. The author is teaching genesis through the eyes of ancient Hebrews as well as people of today because he spent years studying their culture as only today's information opens it to us.

The website is "torahclass" but go to "oldtestament" on that site. The information on creation is in lesson 2, about chapter one of Genesis.

Aleigh i guess my post is the only to have some sense.

I used to think science and religion were not mutually exclusive, but in some way it is. Evolution conflicts with genesis and the big bang conflicts with the order of the world and universe shown inthe bible. Yea you can just say god did it all, but it becomes more unlikely as you dulhe into it. The more naturalistic explanation science can put forward, the more uneeded a god is.

If a physical god exists, he created the universe with 0 energy and did a bad job with the earth. If he exists outside of time and the universe, its impossible for him to intervene. If he's metaphysical its impossible to say he exists.

Either way, science does conflict with religion and is why as science and technology advances, so does our explanation of an uneeded god

No, those things make up your own religion. Instead of saying "god did it" you just say "millions of years did it" instead. It's really the same thing that you acuse us of doing.

1. God isn't a physical being. God is a spiritual being. Why is it ear plugging atheists can never get that through their head? Oh, I guess I answered my own question.
2. You say God did a "bad job with the earth." That's just your subjective opinion, which is almost certainly trying to avoid taking responsibility for what humans have done and instead just blame God.
3. You say it's imposible for God to interact with the universe if he isn't physically confined to the universe. This is just your own assertion, with absolutely nothing to back it up.

The only conflict is between religion and religion.

1. I say after millions of years, change happens such that I evolve to where I am now. It's absolutely not the same as what you're doing because evolution can be backed up where as yours is just a claim. 2 different things

2. If god is a spiritual being, how do you even know he's there? Maybe it's your mind playing tricks on you?

3. It's 100% not subjective. Diseases, viruses, having 98% of past species being extinct, If it wasn't for the past generations of humans, you and I would never have had anything we take for granted today. For that I thank my and your ancestors, as well as many others

4. And you're defining god as outside of nature and that by definition is impossible to prove or disprove. You're actually falling into your own trap because you just admitted you have made your own assertion with absolutely nothing to back yourself up. Thanks for clearing it up.

5. No it really isn't

Do opinions exist?

Nether one of you are really making any valid points... perhaps it would be best to end the conversation before it becomes an. Argument... cause you can argue about it all day but nether one of you has any proof thwt will change the others mind.... godbless an much love

when i was growing up my grandmother would say ' all ladies are women but not all women are ladies' i think we could just about say the same thing here. all of the science as it pertains to the One True and Living God is 100 percent true and totally aligned with the Creator that created it. it is impossible for true science to have any conflict with true religion whatsoever. however....not all science is able to be so aligned because it is man's science and the science of demons which are speculative and in some cases outright lies in total contradiction to God's holy truth

Lol. Amen to that, jerusalem!