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Wonderland

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@ LaylieCalmMind
I wasn't comparing homosexuality to drug addiction, I was relating my experience of how God worked with me where I was at. And any "outside Christian" probably would have thought that I was damned to hell because I was an active drug user, but the truth was that God and I were very close and He was working his plan in my life everyday. The point was that people should not judge ilikecolours based on what they think they see... But I guess you missed that because you are so convinced that homosexuality is God's plan for ilikecolour's life... How sad that you presume to know more about her than God does...

And I will never deny that people are "born" homosexual... but I also know that they were not created that way. There are a lot of factors that contribute to a person's sexuality... chemicals invitro (natural and synthetic/toxic), environment, genetics... but still... it's not part of God's perfect plan. Is it ok to hate, criticize and judge someone for it? ABSOLUTELY NOT! But it certainly is ok to encourage people to seek God's will for their life, which was basically my point in the previous post. Sorry you missed it.
 
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Bill nye the science Guy would know about this.... I'll text him
 
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@ Wonderland

I did misinterpret your meaning, I readily admit that and I apologize. I thought you were saying drug addiction = homosexuality but you meant to make another point entirely, thanks for elaborating and making it clear for me.


@ Lad

I'm not saying you aren't straight, I'm not saying anything regarding what your sexuality is, I simply cannot know those things about you. I'm just saying what I do know is that sexuality cannot just be reversed completely. That's where I believe our disagreement stems.
 
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Well Laylie, let me introduce myself, my name is Jayden and I am living proof that sexuality can be reversed :D

Not to mention science hasnt proved that there is a 'gay' gene. I personally believe that everyone is and will be straight unless psychological happenings influence them otherwise, but even if im proven wrong it doesnt matter because God can most definitely change dna if he so chooses.
 
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I think Jesus loves anyone who opens up their hearts enough to love and trust in Him. Who are any of you to judge this girl? I think it is a good thing that you are being honest and seeking out advice for God's will in your life. Anyone can be born again and we ALL struggle with sin even afterward. We are lucky that God understands our weakness as human and has sent his son to redeem us from ALL of our sins.. and also the Holy Spirit to help guide us through sticky situations such as the one you are in. Listen to your heart and seek out advice from loving, caring, and true Christians. And also read your Bible. There is no better advice out there than what is contained in that book. It may say that homosexuality is a sin.. It says that about a lot of things. But Jesus has a lot of hopeful advice. I'm sorry for your struggle. I cannot even imagine what you have had to go through with the abuse and now these feelings. Stay strong and God will help you through ANYTHING! He will stay by you no matter what, even when judgmental folks won't. There are a lot of people who love you.. And most importantly- the Lord will always love you and be by your side. Good luck.
 
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Well Laylie, let me introduce myself, my name is Jayden and I am living proof that sexuality can be reversed :D

Not to mention science hasnt proved that there is a 'gay' gene. I personally believe that everyone is and will be straight unless psychological happenings influence them otherwise, but even if im proven wrong it doesnt matter because God can most definitely change dna if he so chooses.
Well, based on the science of it, my personal stance is that those few who have said they're reversed their sexuality are either just suppressing it, bisexual, or never really were gay. The difference is that I think that the science is correct that sexuality cannot be reversed, and you believe that god can actually change someone's natural makeup. But this is why stories from people like you aren't actually proof, there's still a big window of possibility. Well, that's my thought on the matter, no judgement about you though, if you're happy with the way your life is, keep it.
 
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It's not true. Firstly, to go to a church the makes it own doctrine that goes against what the bible says is worse than not going to church at all. Why bother going to a church that makes up it's won rules? Secondly, you're basically reccomending that she go to a church that supports her sin so that she doesn't have to confront it or change it. Going to a church that encourages you to embrace your sins is ALSO worse than not going to church at all. Thirdly, just because a church believes what the bible says about homosexuality (that it's a sin) doesn't mean someone with homosexual desires will be treated any differently than anyone else. If said church follows the bible on everything else they will also know that in God's eyes there is no sin worse than any other sin. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
 
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It's not true. Firstly, to go to a church the makes it own doctrine that goes against what the bible says is worse than not going to church at all. Why bother going to a church that makes up it's won rules? Secondly, you're basically reccomending that she go to a church that supports her sin so that she doesn't have to confront it or change it. Going to a church that encourages you to embrace your sins is ALSO worse than not going to church at all. Thirdly, just because a church believes what the bible says about homosexuality (that it's a sin) doesn't mean someone with homosexual desires will be treated any differently than anyone else. If said church follows the bible on everything else they will also know that in God's eyes there is no sin worse than any other sin. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Well said Stephanie. God bless you and keep you. That kind of wisdom and understanding can only come through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Anyone who judges others will want to watch themselves because the Lord tells us that He will judge use using the same yardstick we used on others. PEOPLE THE LORD MADE VERY VERY VERY SIMPLE FOR US ALL!! "LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR AS YOURSELF" Stop judging eachother lol And stop hurting others with predjudist ( i think thats how its spelt ) comments. Jesus said, "What you do to the least of my brothers you do to Me." After all He went through for the sake of our salvation, who the hell are we to hurt others, in turn hurting our Saviour? Lets leave the judging to the Almighty and just get on with the job of loving eachother lol its really not that hard!!!
 
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i need help and advice.
i have been a Christian my whole life, I am 24, female. i have been attracted to women since I was 11, it comes naturally, its not a decision its just the way i am. I know what Gods Word says about it so i have spent all these years trying to deny it. But i dont think i can anymore. Everyone seems to have different translation/opinions on the verses in the Bible about this subject! So what do I do?
We are to resist the temptation to sin, all of us. It is okay for a man to marry a woman:

[6] But from the beginning of creation, `God made them male and female.'
[7] `For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife,
[8] and the two shall become one flesh.' So they are no longer two but one flesh. Mark 10:1-10 RSV
 
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i need help and advice.
i have been a Christian my whole life, I am 24, female. i have been attracted to women since I was 11, it comes naturally, its not a decision its just the way i am. I know what Gods Word says about it so i have spent all these years trying to deny it. But i dont think i can anymore. Everyone seems to have different translation/opinions on the verses in the Bible about this subject! So what do I do?
Dear British friend in Christ Jesus, First of all, it is wonderful that you are a Christian. Do not ever let anyone belittle you or mock you, denigrate you, or marginalize you because of your sexual orientation. One's sexual orientation is predetermined at birth in most cases as has been found to be the case by scholarly people who are without prejudice. It must certainly be very difficult to live a life where one is constantly mocked, scorned, hated and even killed for who they are. And those who do that as well as those who try to change them into being straight are certainly committing a far more heinous crime and SIN don't forget.

The Biblical passages that allude to this being a wrong lifestyle have been taken out of context for the most part as when you hear it mentioning "abomination", etc. that is speaking to other things as has been brought out time and again by Biblical scholars. The problem is that many people choose to hold on to these beliefs perhaps because they are struggling or uncertain about their own sexual orientation as also has been brought out by leading theological, medical, and other authorities.

The real problem God has with *BOTH* Heterosexuals or Homosexuals is not their sexual orientation, that is to say not that a person is Gay or Lesbian or that they are Straight but rather what they do with the gift God gave them which is their body. And again we just HAVE to look at both Straights and Gays/Lesbians not just single out the Gay and Lesbian population and attack them unfairly. When one engages in Promiscuity, that is what God abhors. Because that is not right for either sexual orientation. I have spoken to this matter in another thread and have made it perfectly clear that it pains me greatly to learn that many young impressionable children hear nothing but hate and condemnation for their sexual orientation such that they have gone on to ultimately commit suicide thinking that is the only way out since they cannot change who they truly are. And just look at the heinous crime committed against the young Matthew Shepard of Casper, Wyoming who was beaten horribly and unmercifully and tied to a post in the dead of Winter and left to die with little to no warm clothes on his back because of his sexual orientation. And there are many other cases of hate brought on by evil people who CHOOSE to misinterpret Biblical passages to suit their own conveniences. This Has Got To Stop! Know that they are not doing you any favors, far from it! And when people start to talk "Gay Conversion Therapy", know that it does not work according to those who have been there. In fact, many have said it is dangerous and there are websites, if you are interested in visiting, that speak to this.

One can only go in prayer and ask God for His Divine guidance and truth in things they do not understand about themselves but know that you should not be marginalized or made to feel guilty about how you were born just because people keep using inappropriate Scripture to try to gain the upper hand trying to justify that that is what God said. (Just always remember that people who were Black were also enslaved, punished, killed and made to feel guilty for many centuries and the perpetrators of those crimes were said to have used Biblical scripture for their treatment of Blacks until one day they found out it was wrong to have treated them that way!) Now listen to this! It cannot be what God said since God is omniscient, all-knowing, and He would never cause any of His children to be beaten or to lose their life or undergo dangerous therapies as many are doing to them due to sexual orientation by those who interpreted His Holy word in Scripture. Many in those ancient times may have very well been prejudiced when the Bible was written with their own pen and hands and especially when it was re-written (by thousands of people) in decades and centuries afterwards and if those who persist in condemning you truly want to be Fair and Equitable to the Gay or Lesbian person they need to first consult with Biblical experts who will tell them that those Scriptures that are used have caused far more harm to same-sex oriented people and have caused more deaths than perhaps The Inquisition due to people threatening them with those verses which do not apply.

Dear Child of God, confess to God whatever you know is inappropriate in your life and know that no one has the right to belittle you for who you are or how you were born before they first look at the egregious and serious sins of their Heterosexual counterparts. I'm talking about Abortion, Divorce, Child abandonment, Child endangerment or beatings, Coveting their neighbor's wife or husband, etc. And when you see that these things are far more serious sins but people are deliberately not paying attention to them or bringing them out because they themselves may well fit into the category in question, then you know that they need to clean up their own backyard first before they can come in to yours.

May God Bless You always, my dear. Know that God Loves You and understands this situation far better than any mortal. And it is He who can ultimately speak to your heart and is the One worthy of listening to, not to prejudiced people who do not understand now anymore than they did not understand the plight of the Black person in the Fifties and early Sixties or the Slavery aspect in decades prior until years later. Many even shamefully quoted Scriptures to support their cause of discrimination. It is happening today in this matter as well. That is why you can only go to God and listen to Him and no one else who would try to make you less of a person than the beautiful one you truly are.
 
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Welp, it's time for me to add in my two cents. First, I want to let you know that not all Christians are "narrow-minded". We go according to God's word, but we all have sinned and majority of us continue to do the same sins every day! We've all been distraught over a wrong-doing or two, just like you. Granted, not all of us have struggled with homosexuality, but nonetheless, it's been one thing or another. Although a lot of Christians have been in your shoes, so you're not alone.

Now, I think what you need is a little advice, no? Let's get started.

I'll tell you straight-up I've had thoughts about women and have even acted upon them when I was younger. My attraction started when I was very young as well. I didn't start dating girls until my mid-to-late teens. A lot like you, I wanted their attention and love. There was something that felt 'safe' about dating women. At that time to me, women were fun, happy, open, caring, loving, and warm. The way they laughed, carried themselves, everything about them made me feel good inside.
Without even realizing it, deep down, I didn't want to be with a man because the thought scared me. I felt like I would never be able to get a 'good' guy, (Whatever that is.) So, I settled for the attention of women. Time and time again. Although I thought I loved women, now I realize it wasn't in that way. Maybe I was too young to recognize the difference. Maybe it was because I had never experienced true love before so I had nothing to compare it with the feelings I had.
My father was abusive too, for the majority of my childhood, which is the reason I can only remember bits and pieces of my life up until about the age of 13. I think our situations were partly because of that. As much as I didn't want to be the girl with 'Daddy issues', I did have them. Anytime I met a guy, I automatically assumed the worst about them. Although I had a lot of guy friends, not one had any worth to me. I looked down on them, and hated them in a sense.


Anyhow, I don't have those type of feelings anymore, but my outlook hasn't changed. To elaborate, I still find great comfort in women and love the things I mentioned about them above, but I have separated the romantic quality about it.

Even when I'm out and about, a beautiful lady will catch my eye and I'll say, "Wow, she's pretty." Because there is a lure to women! A woman's beauty is talked about throughout the Bible. There's no denying that. I think a lot of the appeal was the artist in me. They are very aesthetically pleasing to the eye, like a work of art. There's nothing more soft or delicate than the features of a woman, from the top of her head to the bottom of her feet. Women have been the focus of many famous paintings after all. However, I'm sure that's not the case with you.

So, with that being said, I'll state a few things for you. Some you may know already.

1. Homosexuality is a sin. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." Also keep in mind that homosexuality was not the only thing mentioned in this verse.

2. Homosexuality or any other sexually immoral acts is committing a sin against your own body, unlike other sins.
! Corinthians 6: 13- 21 13 You say, “Food for the stomach and the stomach for food, and God will destroy them both.” The body, however, is not meant for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14 By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also. 15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16 Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.” 17 But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit. 18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body. 19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.

3. You, just like anyone else who has been saved, is forgiven of your sins. Corinthians continues with: "And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."



The question you have to ask yourself is, do you want to change? Do you feel this is hindering a closer relationship with God? Is God convicting you for these feelings? I'd say He is, since you were led make this thread. My advice is to think about it, read God's word and do some research about the other things it says about homosexuality. Pray for strength, and to be relieved of those thoughts. We all want to keep our temple clean, so God can dwell within us!
This is not an impossible mountain to climb if you're looking to change. God wants us to be the image of him, but unfortunately we can't stop sinning! We all live in the flesh every day. The important thing is that we try.

So, as long as you try every day, God will meet you the rest of the way. God does not love you any less, he just doesn't like our sins. The Devil wants you to be hopeless, like God doesn't love you and you'll never be able to make him happy. Remember, that God's love is UNconditional.

un·con·di·tion·aladj. Without conditions or limitations; absolute:

I want you to take a moment right now and think about the definition of that word.
Really let that sink in, what it means.


Sorry for the long post, but I hope it helped!
 
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Also keep in mind that homosexuality was not the only thing mentioned in this verse.
Whoah Whoah Whoah!

That's not part of the program. That's a little too close to me, as a straight male.

As a straight male, I don't want too much attention drawn to me if I am:

* sexually immoral
* an idolater
* an adulterer
* male prostitute
* Thief
* greedy
* a drunkard
* a slanderer
* a swindler

I think that's a bit unfair.

We agreed to single out the sin of honosexuality right?

Don't go start changing the rules, or You will be causing trouble around here!

Our Christian society doesn't tolerate people who don't focus on the Holy Trinity:

ie:

Homosexuals
Abortion
Making sure no rich person pays a single cent in tax.

So please, stay on script.

And can I suggest that we close all the threads about Drunks, greedy people, swindlers.....
Oh wait.. I checked..never mind... no threads to close down.

Proceed.

So...

Don't you guys hate gays? Nasty people huh? I wanna throw stones at them!
 
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Whoah Whoah Whoah!

That's not part of the program. That's a little too close to me, as a straight male.

As a straight male, I don't want too much attention drawn to me if I am:

* sexually immoral
* an idolater
* an adulterer
* male prostitute
* Thief
* greedy
* a drunkard
* a slanderer
* a swindler

I think that's a bit unfair.

We agreed to single out the sin of honosexuality right?

Don't go start changing the rules, or You will be causing trouble around here!

Our Christian society doesn't tolerate people who don't focus on the Holy Trinity:

ie:

Homosexuals
Abortion
Making sure no rich person pays a single cent in tax.

So please, stay on script.

And can I suggest that we close all the threads about Drunks, greedy people, swindlers.....
Oh wait.. I checked..never mind... no threads to close down.

Proceed.

So...

Don't you guys hate gays? Nasty people huh? I wanna throw stones at them!

Christians do not hate gay people, some of us forget that. (Talking about a world view here, not just this site.)
It's better to focus on the sin with a face, at least that's my guess. That's the reason it comes across as us hating them, or whatever, when in reality it's the action we hate and so does God. He loves us although we sin. Hate the sin, and love the sinner.

I am not on anybody's side here, only God's. I speak whatever I read in his word and try to use it to help any individual who needs it, like a lot of Christians do. The reason people get so heated about the subject is for a few reasons.
-We see that someone is reaching out and we want to help. Some of us don't know how to phrase things in the gentlest way and it comes out in a negative light.
-The person is wanting help from their sin, and others responding focus specifically on that sin because it is the topic point.
-We get so passionate and energetic about wanting to help, that it turns into being pushy.
-Another reasons I can't think of because I'm too tired, and I'm about to get off of work.

God loves anyone who has been saved. There's no fine print for homosexuals in that contract. I've had friends who are gay. Even one of my close family members are gay.
Do I approve of it? No.
Do I remind them of their sin every time they come around? No.

When they made the choice or I found out, I simply said, "Do you know it's a sin?"
They say yes and I say, "Okay, as long as you know. If you ever want someone to talk about it with, I'm here."

There's no reason to shove it down their throats. Jesus didn't do it, nor will I. He gave everyone the CHOICE. Choice means that you do it willingly, not wearing someone down until they give in.
Doing that is not going to help anyone, but they do need to at least have the knowledge they're sinning. Just like when I lie and someone catches me for example, I would hope if I didn't know, that someone would tell me that it's a sin. Same thing with stealing and committing adultery or any other sin. I try my best to treat others how I want to be treated.

As far as the people focusing on the Holy Trinity- We all lose sight of God at one point or another. Do I think I'm better than you because you're gay or vice versa? Nope, because I'm not. No one is.

Luke 18:9-14



9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’
13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

Isiah 64:6

All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.
 
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I don't think any Christians on this site are narrow minded!

Oh you don't do you? Their cruel responses that don't gravitate towards the kind of compassion Jesus taught should be a great example.

Who would that be?

Read their responses and you will know them from their fruits. If they only target Gay and Lesbian people as sinners without also including Straight people then you will have your answer.

Homosexuals are not born again and the truth shall make you free is a quote from the Bible. We need truth as an answer.
How terribly presumptuous and inaccurate you are. You would be so surprised to know how many are not only Born Again but also ordained clergy. And you were just saying you didn't think any Christians on this site were narrow-minded? And who would that be? A good look in the mirror will answer both questions for you.
 
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Think about homosexuality as a form of birth control.
 
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some souls come back again, just maybe it was put into the wrong body. perhaps its a test for that soul to overcome.
 
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Think about homosexuality as a form of birth control.
Hi Reality, you can get partial credit for that answer. However, it is a well-known fact that Homosexuals are certainly not sterile. They Can and Do reproduce! Many Gays have had children with women or Lesbians either in the conventional manner or through artificial insemination. Lesbians are still women, you know. Therefore, they have that maternal instinct and that is why we read about and hear so many stories about them having children. Gay men are no different. So, again if they truly want to they can most certainly reproduce.