Is this a precursor to the Mark of the Beast?

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Lynx

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Everything is a Mark of the Beast precursor. Bar codes, social security numbers, "The Chip," etc, every innovation for keeping track of things can be called a Mark of the Beast precursor. And is. A lot. There's always a group of people who will holler "THIS IS IT! Here we go! The Mark is coming!" every single time. :rolleyes:

This goes hand in hand with the antichrist. Every time we don't like a prominent political figure we can speculate whether he might be the antichrist.
 

Moses_Young

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HopeinHim98

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If you get a chip like that, what would keep you from getting the actual mark?
 

Lynx

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If you get a chip like that, what would keep you from getting the actual mark?
If you play video games like pac man, what would keep you from playing satanic ones like Succubus?

What? It's the same exact question, set in a different venue.
 

Moses_Young

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If you play video games like pac man, what would keep you from playing satanic ones like Succubus?

What? It's the same exact question, set in a different venue.
I'd argue they're different. No one is forcing anyone to play Pacman. By taking a chip to participate in society, you're opening the door for people to be forced.
 

Lynx

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I'd argue they're different. No one is forcing anyone to play Pacman. By taking a chip to participate in society, you're opening the door for people to be forced.
That's what we nerds said about proprietary systems. Did anybody listen? Noooooo. Now we have Facebook as the default for social platforms and it does evil things, but everyone is on Facebook so you have to use it if you want to interface with people who only use facebook.

Pretty sure this will go the same way, even if it's not leading up to the mark of the beast. You control how infrastructure develops, you control the system that results.
 

Moses_Young

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That's what we nerds said about proprietary systems. Did anybody listen? Noooooo. Now we have Facebook as the default for social platforms and it does evil things, but everyone is on Facebook so you have to use it if you want to interface with people who only use facebook.

Pretty sure this will go the same way, even if it's not leading up to the mark of the beast. You control how infrastructure develops, you control the system that results.
I don't use Facebook, and was frustrated the other day, 'cause so many restaurants have their menus on Facebook (and nowhere else, it seemed!) Facebook wouldn't even let me see their menus without a login!

Imagine if in a few years time, you're not even allowed to log onto the internet unless you have recorded your Pac-man highscore? :eek:
 

Lynx

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I'd argue they're different. No one is forcing anyone to play Pacman. By taking a chip to participate in society, you're opening the door for people to be forced.
So... Now that I'm at home, with a real keyboard...

From what I have observed, when a prophecy is fulfilled it is three things:
1: It is always exactly what prophecy said it would be.
2: It blows people's minds.
3: It is never anything like what people speculated it would be.

People wasted a lot of time speculating what the Bible meant when it talked about Israel being a nation again. I mean, it was impossible to imagine they would be a real, literal nation occupying an area of land, so what could the Bible mean? Then one day we all woke up and found there was a physical nation of Israel again.

However, for the sake of argument, let us assume "the chip" is the precursor of the mark. What is your objective? I assume you don't think, even if you can get everyone to avoid "the chip," that we will stave off the mark of the beast. Prophecy will be fulfilled, either way.

So what IS your objective?
 

Gojira

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If you get a chip like that, what would keep you from getting the actual mark?
Well, there is a big step there. I agree, why get this thing at all? But, it's still a huge step when this chip becomes an actual mark of subservience to a demonic dictator.
 

HopeinHim98

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Well, there is a big step there. I agree, why get this thing at all? But, it's still a huge step when this chip becomes an actual mark of subservience to a demonic dictator.
I think some people might not realize that's actually what they're doing when they get the mark. They'll want to be able to keep their jobs and buy and sell so they'll get it. Sad.
 

Gojira

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What bothers me is that this next generation seems unperturbed by actual fascism, while they decry false fascism. I think the only "fascism" they actually object to is that which actually encourages personal responsibility, which is called adulthood. They want to remain children, with government as big parent -- as long as that government throws them the bread and circuses they crave (normalization of perversion, abortion, drugs, etc.), which to them is "freedom".

Freedom is a fragile thing and it's never more than one generation away from extinction. ~ Ronald Reagan
 

Gojira

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I think some people might not realize that's actually what they're doing when they get the mark. They'll want to be able to keep their jobs and buy and sell so they'll get it. Sad.
I don't know... I think God holds us accountable for a reason.
 

Gojira

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I'd argue they're different. No one is forcing anyone to play Pacman. By taking a chip to participate in society, you're opening the door for people to be forced.
Slow boil. Or, as Hitler said in Mein Kampf, you rebuild the bridge not by demolishing it, but by changing one bolt at a time.
 

Gojira

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You mean you think everyone will know?
I think they will likely have at least some understanding of what they're doing. I also believe that they will do it despite prophecy, because their hearts will have become that darkened. We see this now in the "woke" revolution.
 

HopeinHim98

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I think they will likely have at least some understanding of what they're doing. I also believe that they will do it despite prophecy, because their hearts will have become that darkened. We see this now in the "woke" revolution.
Yeah. I know God is just, and people will have warning.
 

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I think it was 2019 when a large company in the central U. S reportedly had offered employees a free microchipping in order to save time clocking in day to day.

The majority accepted.

Then they reported after that that the human chip implant plan started with microchipping pets.

The rationale was if people cared to secure the return of lost pets, and it worked in retrieving the lost that it would then be a simple matter in convincing their owners to be implanted for whatever reason later.

Supposedly hospitals in Florida microchip newborns. With parental permission. The rationale there being to prevent them being lost and unable to be found. With a tracking chip retrieval was assured.
Most parents consented.

We're already tracked with our phones and smart watches.

Busy Beast. Very busy. ;)
 

Gojira

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I think it was 2019 when a large company in the central U. S reportedly had offered employees a free microchipping in order to save time clocking in day to day.

The majority accepted.

Then they reported after that that the human chip implant plan started with microchipping pets.

The rationale was if people cared to secure the return of lost pets, and it worked in retrieving the lost that it would then be a simple matter in convincing their owners to be implanted for whatever reason later.

Supposedly hospitals in Florida microchip newborns. With parental permission. The rationale there being to prevent them being lost and unable to be found. With a tracking chip retrieval was assured.
Most parents consented.

We're already tracked with our phones and smart watches.

Busy Beast. Very busy. ;)
Our enemy never sleeps. This is why Paul told us to be perpetually awake. Thomas Jefferson told us the same thing, but for political reasons. We must be ever vigilant.