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JJ50

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If you dont believe heaven and hell exists how can anyone threaten you? Its like saying a unicorn will gore you to death if you go outside this morning.Dont sweat it.But if there was a God and He was just and he gave us a choice to accept a free gift of life and we reject it then the choice is ours.You sound like you grew up in a terribly strict religious home with no love.I dont know if thats true or your perception.But no one can threaten you with hell but you.Life or death is your choice,solely.I have no control over your choice.Only you do,

I am an agnostic not an atheist, meaning I doubt very much that an afterlife and deity exist, especially the scenario depicted in the Bible. I would be a liar if I stated it as a fact, as it could all be true, however improbable that is, in which case I had better invest in asbestos clothing when consigned to hell!:D People who state categorically that is it all true are not telling the truth because they have no more knowledge about it than I do, however much they want it to be true.
 

JesusLives

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I hear what you are saying about the days going by faster the older we get. If I could pick a way to die I think going in my sleep would be the way I would choose to go.

I can remember being broken one time when I was 40 (1995) and crying and talking to God or myself at the time saying.... Can't pick when you are born but you can sure pick when you die as I was trying to kill myself....Guess what? If God doesn't want you dead you don't die....As almost 20 years later I am still alive....

Back in 2008 had a hysterectomy in March and three weeks later on April 1st I started hemorrhaging not wanting to die then being rushed into emergency surgery and I am still not dead. So unless it is your God given time to go He decides when that is at least that it what I have found out. So we each have a purpose in life that God has given us.

Still not sure what my purpose is but I know for a fact that God is not finished with me yet since there has been more than one occasion I could have been gone but I am still here and at this point God does have my attention and I try to keep my ears open to listen to Him and obey when He is prompting me to do something like answering this post.

My only message to you is that God Loves You and He is not finished with you yet either. Welcome to my world and I hope you join me someday and that we can praise God together.

The other thing I can say to my brothers and sisters in Christ is that we have to be careful about judging someone for their beliefs or the lack thereof as God only can read what is in someone's heart. I had a sweet Baptist lady tell me one time I was going to Hell and I said Oh how do you know? Because she answered you aren't going to church and taking your daughter to church. So I said to her - Would you like to take my daughter to church? She was taken aback a little and said yes that she would and that is how I got a Free babysitter on Sunday mornings so I could read the paper in peace and go buy our groceries without a young daughter to watch out for making shopping much easier.

We have to be careful judging people as only God knows what is really going on in the inside of someone's heart. Maybe our OP just hasn't been properly introduced to our loving Heavenly Father yet and she still may find Him someday. I'd like to give her the benefit of the doubt. God knew I'd come around and she might too. Love is certainly a much better way than Hell that is for sure.

God knows when we will die and how and finally I am leaving that all up to Him.
 
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I am an agnostic not an atheist, meaning I doubt very much that an afterlife and deity exist, especially the scenario depicted in the Bible. I would be a liar if I stated it as a fact, as it could all be true, however improbable that is, in which case I had better invest in asbestos clothing when consigned to hell!:D People who state categorically that is it all true are not telling the truth because they have no more knowledge about it than I do, however much they want it to be true.
If any person tried a NDE... his/her mind will change.
 

JJ50

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I hear what you are saying about the days going by faster the older we get. If I could pick a way to die I think going in my sleep would be the way I would choose to go.

I can remember being broken one time when I was 40 (1995) and crying and talking to God or myself at the time saying.... Can't pick when you are born but you can sure pick when you die as I was trying to kill myself....Guess what? If God doesn't want you dead you don't die....As almost 20 years later I am still alive....

Back in 2008 had a hysterectomy in March and three weeks later on April 1st I started hemorrhaging not wanting to die then being rushed into emergency surgery and I am still not dead. So unless it is your God given time to go He decides when that is at least that it what I have found out. So we each have a purpose in life that God has given us.

Still not sure what my purpose is but I know for a fact that God is not finished with me yet since there has been more than one occasion I could have been gone but I am still here and at this point God does have my attention and I try to keep my ears open to listen to Him and obey when He is prompting me to do something like answering this post.

My only message to you is that God Loves You and He is not finished with you yet either. Welcome to my world and I hope you join me someday and that we can praise God together.

The other thing I can say to my brothers and sisters in Christ is that we have to be careful about judging someone for their beliefs or the lack thereof as God only can read what is in someone's heart. I had a sweet Baptist lady tell me one time I was going to Hell and I said Oh how do you know? Because she answered you aren't going to church and taking your daughter to church. So I said to her - Would you like to take my daughter to church? She was taken aback a little and said yes that she would and that is how I got a Free babysitter on Sunday mornings so I could read the paper in peace and go buy our groceries without a young daughter to watch out for making shopping much easier.

We have to be careful judging people as only God knows what is really going on in the inside of someone's heart. Maybe our OP just hasn't been properly introduced to our loving Heavenly Father yet and she still may find Him someday. I'd like to give her the benefit of the doubt. God knew I'd come around and she might too. Love is certainly a much better way than Hell that is for sure.

God knows when we will die and how and finally I am leaving that all up to Him.

Naturally you are entitled to your point of view, as I am to mine. If there deity couldn't be bothered to come through for my when I desperately needed it as a child, I don't need now, even if it does exist.
 
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Naturally you are entitled to your point of view, as I am to mine. If there deity couldn't be bothered to come through for my when I desperately needed it as a child, I don't need now, even if it does exist.
Why then are you here?
 
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@JJ

My whole life I heard things I never saw or experienced. Two of these things were UFOs and the spiritual realm. I torn several Bibles and more than once I tried to spit at God´s face, until the time He did it on me (and it was a blessing, instead). I hope, before our lives go to that grave, He reached you, somehow. I think we are something like an encapsulated thought, dwelling this body for a time, to go away like a wind: Life is too short to remain the same place.
 

JJ50

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@JJ

My whole life I heard things I never saw or experienced. Two of these things were UFOs and the spiritual realm. I torn several Bibles and more than once I tried to spit at God´s face, until the time He did it on me (and it was a blessing, instead). I hope, before our lives go to that grave, He reached you, somehow. I think we are something like an encapsulated thought, dwelling this body for a time, to go away like a wind: Life is too short to remain the same place.
From birth I have had many experiences which some would describe as 'supernatural', including seeing a 'UFO'. Our previous property hosted on a daily basis some very weird activity of the 'paranormal' kind for 11 years when it suddenly stopped. In spite of it all I am still of the opinion that there is a natural explanation for everything, and science will explain all one day. I would much sooner put my trust in science than religion that is for sure.
 

JesusLives

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Naturally you are entitled to your point of view, as I am to mine. If there deity couldn't be bothered to come through for my when I desperately needed it as a child, I don't need now, even if it does exist.
Truth for me is I don't know what happens when we die - I haven't yet so until it happens - I can honestly say I don't know what happens and then again when it does happen to me I won't be able to tell you what happened this is kind of a catch 22 situation. But I will die in the Lord and be resting until He returns. I sure know I won't be worrying about it and then will get a New Glorified Body Fit For Heaven.
 
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From birth I have had many experiences which some would describe as 'supernatural', including seeing a 'UFO'. Our previous property hosted on a daily basis some very weird activity of the 'paranormal' kind for 11 years when it suddenly stopped. In spite of it all I am still of the opinion that there is a natural explanation for everything, and science will explain all one day. I would much sooner put my trust in science than religion that is for sure.
Good! But Science depends on people´s experiences conveyed in "verifiable" knowledge, as well as religion. I chose to believe what I lived and experienced, because that is what avails my faith before I fell into a grave.
 

Joidevivre

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If you would work with hospice patients who are dying for only one year, and watch Christians die vs those who do not believe, you would KNOW there is life after death.

I've seen their faces take on the most awesome expressions of peace even before they die. And they see things that you might call delusional, but there is a glow about them. Some see Jesus - some see angels - some see people who died before them.

If I had been an atheist before working with these people, what I saw would have totally changed my thinking. But, being a Christian, I mostly felt like I was on holy ground, with a glimpse of heaven before me.
 

crossnote

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I am an agnostic not an atheist, meaning I doubt very much that an afterlife and deity exist, especially the scenario depicted in the Bible. I would be a liar if I stated it as a fact, as it could all be true, however improbable that is, in which case I had better invest in asbestos clothing when consigned to hell!:D People who state categorically that is it all true are not telling the truth because they have no more knowledge about it than I do, however much they want it to be true.
Well, perhaps we are taking the word of One who has been there and back as well as raise others from the dead...a fairy tale?...since when are fairy tales witnessed by over 500 people? (1Cor 15:6). Sounds like your position is a blind hope in the dark and I mean D-A-R-K.
 

crossnote

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From birth I have had many experiences which some would describe as 'supernatural', including seeing a 'UFO'. Our previous property hosted on a daily basis some very weird activity of the 'paranormal' kind for 11 years when it suddenly stopped. In spite of it all I am still of the opinion that there is a natural explanation for everything, and science will explain all one day. I would much sooner put my trust in science than religion that is for sure.
The only thing that makes science possible is order...and order requires intelligence and a Designer...not a random chaotic chance universe.
 

JJ50

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If you would work with hospice patients who are dying for only one year, and watch Christians die vs those who do not believe, you would KNOW there is life after death.

I've seen their faces take on the most awesome expressions of peace even before they die. And they see things that you might call delusional, but there is a glow about them. Some see Jesus - some see angels - some see people who died before them.

If I had been an atheist before working with these people, what I saw would have totally changed my thinking. But, being a Christian, I mostly felt like I was on holy ground, with a glimpse of heaven before me.
My husband, an atheist, had an aneurysm burst in his brain in 2006. He was critically ill and in a coma for a few weeks. He survived but with half his brain trashed. It is only that he is of very high intelligence that he isn't left drooling a nursing home. He has tried to put back into the other side of the brain what he lost, although I think it would have been kinder if he had died as he gets so frustrated by the things he can no longer do. Anyway my husband claims that whilst in the coma he had some sort of experience which convinced him beyond all shadow of doubt that no deity or afterlife exists. I give that experience no more credence than I would to those claimed by people saying they have seen Jesus etc.
 
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oldthennew

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when hopelessness prevails in one's life, there isn't much that is sadder.
to get up each day and feel all alone in the big-wide-world is the pits,
to say the least.
I think most of us have experienced this and it is mostly definitely is a place
where we must not stay, else we become the darkness that we abide in.
if we become complacent and stay in this misery, then it will over-come us
and manifests itself in terrible ways, ill health being one of the worst, along
with depression and myriad of other satanic manifestations.
so much of this comes from personal hurt and anger or helplessness from
a young age.

when our heavenly Father decides to break this curse and bondage of the world,
then we can rejoice and thank Him that He is and will always be.
all the unbelief in this sad, old, world cannot change His Love.
 
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Siberian_Khatru

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No more inconsiderate than people who threaten others with hell and damnation, when there is no evidence a deity and afterlife exist.
Fair enough, though I hope you aren't justifying fighting fire with fire. It does pain me to know that you've been flogged with prospects of fire and brimstone. :(
 

OnThisRock

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I had a sweet Baptist lady tell me one time I was going to Hell and I said Oh how do you know? Because she answered you aren't going to church and taking your daughter to church. So I said to her - Would you like to take my daughter to church? She was taken aback a little and said yes that she would and that is how I got a Free babysitter on Sunday mornings so I could read the paper in peace and go buy our groceries without a young daughter to watch out for making shopping much easier.




Hhhahahahahahaha!!!!!!! How long did she take your daughter to church? GOOD WORK! I love how God turned that one around for your good. heheheheheee.