Persecuted for speaking of Christ

So by your logic, it's okay for you to throw around with name calling and saying how a person is living out their faith and yet if anyone questions or says something that doesn't agree with you then you feel like you're being persecuted?

By your logic, a person who commits certain sins are not allowed to be apart of the community or at least interested in it, but then it's wondered why many of them look the other way and rebel because they are called as Satan worshipers and at one point likely kicked out of the religious community they grew up in because of this mindset. For the record and even on here, I see people who become irritated if these people come to church and sit in the same pew as them. I shed a tear because I too know how it's like to have that rejection by simply having one's presence there. Pretty much they were never welcomed once it's seen that they are living a homosexual life. But they are apart of Satan no matter which direction they turn because the people who call themselves Godly never gave these people a chance to begin with.

Let's say you are right and that these people are to be cast out of the churches and masses. It's told that one sin is not as great as another unless it's rejecting the Holy Spirit. You claim that this person that you made a topic for has done this, but you failed to give proof as to how this was so. How was it for them to enter into a Christian site and become interested at least to want to take part while living life as a sinner doing so? Did they flat out say that they were against the Holy Spirit?

Why point out only one sin when there's many others that I'm sure the majority of church-goers do once they step a foot out of the church? What about that alcoholic who has at least twelve bottles every night that still comes to church? How about the adulterer that rumor has it that they convicted a neighbor's wife a while ago and nobody wants to associate with him? The person selling drugs while injecting some in him must be a satan worshiper, what's he doing giving Christianity the light of day when everyone else gave up on him anyway? Do you see where this may be going, or are you just reading a sentence or two of this and then going to tell me that I'm one of those weak Christians and me thinking at first that you weren't worth the light of day to even type this to when doing the name calling on your OP.

Did Jesus not associate with a prostitute who was well looked down upon? What about the Pharisees who kept telling him that what he was doing and who he was talking to was wrong. The homeless and those who were in debt must have done something horribly wrong for being in the position they are at, who would give them the light of day for not doing their job. Oh, wait, Jesus was on their side too. You see, he wasn't exactly the politically correct of a person which I'm sure you got by now. But he still LOVED THEM AND GAVE THEM A CHANCE WHEN NOBODY ELSE WOULD. Nowhere have I seen you give this person who said that they are a trans a chance. More like you wanted them to get off of the site altogether while pushing a few buttons. Oh, and with the grandparents who stood up against those who lived a sinful life, that may have been so. I think you may also find the pleasure to find these very sinners to be burned at the stake as well since that was the cost they had to pay for being such sinners. Who cares if they gave Christianity the light of day, those criminals! I know a few places in the middle east that still practices that. I think you could make some use over there.

Just because people didn't do what you expect for them to do does not mean that they are being politically correct. Nobody is accepting their lifestyle and saying that they can live that way. What they did and what many should still be able to tell these people is that they are still loved no matter where they stand and that if they open their hearts then changes can be made for the better. The drunks, druggies and prostitutes never thought that their life could change, but there have been accounts where they were changed drastically and same went for ex-homosexuals. Now answer me, where are you giving that light for this person to know this? What about many others who don't give Christianity the light of day and some may very well be because of the attitude you display? Some that even say that they won't invest their time because they think God hates them (and yes, I have met someone who said this to me). Would Jesus really want this to have people come to him, by kicking them out and saying they can't be anywhere near them?

It never helps for those who even question in general because they never know what type of responses they would get. I happen to be one of those people. I'm scared to even find any Christian church (not a Catholic or Jehovah's Witness since those seem to be the majority around here) because of the way the members treat one another. The last I went to the Catholic church I grew up in I still seen hostility and never went after trying it out for the last time since. I've given up on trying to find any hope for any type of circle and if that means I have to go through this solo then I will. Say what ever you want about it, but you know nothing of me or of that person you directed your topic to as well as the things you throw at other people. You don't know where they started out. It does make us know a bit about you as to where you stand and what hospitality you display for fellow sinners looking for an answer.

One more thing - by looking at your profile, you recently became Christian. Maybe you need to think about how you came to it and MAYBE you can show any type of remorse for those who try their best and look from the outside looking in. Some may never come in because of what you end up telling them, which would be more accountable if it's unwelcoming.

If I get banned for saying this then so be it. I don't get the logic this site has to let someone harass another and yet the one getting harassed gets kicked off.

You came on here with guns blazing with one sole purpose in mind: to attack EB for being a practicing christian transsexual. You attacked her full-on!! Jesus would not have done that. But then again you don't reflect Jesus, do you? Yes an online forum is a place to discuss certain things, but you're not discussing it, you are ATTACKING it. You keep ranting about how outraged you are that she professes to be a christian. It's not that we don't think her lifestyle is wrong, but we know better than to judge her because there is only ONE judge, and his name is GOD, not DAGSTER. You are sounding and acting more like a pharisee than any of us are..I applaud eternalblessings for turning the other cheek and taking the graceful and peaceful way out of this witch-hunt that you have launched.

Throwing insults around at people on here won't win you any points with Jesus. It WILL eventually get you banned, though. Yes, JoiDevivre created this thread, and she has the right to leave it if she wishes to do so. You calling her a hypocrite is ridiculous. The only one talking and acting hypocritically here is YOU.

"Job not well-done, my bad and unfaithful son"!! What will you tell Jesus some day when he asks you why you persecuted him through this ridiculous attack on us and EB?

Be wise as serpents, gentle as doves.

DaGster, I kind of understand where you're coming from but djness really put it well. We need to show others the Love of Christ--Christ loves the sinners--he hates the sin, of course, but he still loves us. While we were still sinners, Christ died for US.
We have no right to judge others--for we are also just sinners, saved by Grace. We can pray, we can entreat, we can acknowledge, we can instruct, but we must do all in love.

I am no coward DaGster *turns the other cheek* it is braver not to fight than to start a holy war!

So by your logic, it's okay for you to throw around with name calling and saying how a person is living out their faith and yet if anyone questions or says something that doesn't agree with you then you feel like you're being persecuted?

By your logic, a person who commits certain sins are not allowed to be apart of the community or at least interested in it, but then it's wondered why many of them look the other way and rebel because they are called as Satan worshipers and at one point likely kicked out of the religious community they grew up in because of this mindset. For the record and even on here, I see people who become irritated if these people come to church and sit in the same pew as them. I shed a tear because I too know how it's like to have that rejection by simply having one's presence there. Pretty much they were never welcomed once it's seen that they are living a homosexual life. But they are apart of Satan no matter which direction they turn because the people who call themselves Godly never gave these people a chance to begin with.

Let's say you are right and that these people are to be cast out of the churches and masses. It's told that one sin is not as great as another unless it's rejecting the Holy Spirit. You claim that this person that you made a topic for has done this, but you failed to give proof as to how this was so. How was it for them to enter into a Christian site and become interested at least to want to take part while living life as a sinner doing so? Did they flat out say that they were against the Holy Spirit?

Why point out only one sin when there's many others that I'm sure the majority of church-goers do once they step a foot out of the church? What about that alcoholic who has at least twelve bottles every night that still comes to church? How about the adulterer that rumor has it that they convicted a neighbor's wife a while ago and nobody wants to associate with him? The person selling drugs while injecting some in him must be a satan worshiper, what's he doing giving Christianity the light of day when everyone else gave up on him anyway? Do you see where this may be going, or are you just reading a sentence or two of this and then going to tell me that I'm one of those weak Christians and me thinking at first that you weren't worth the light of day to even type this to when doing the name calling on your OP.

Did Jesus not associate with a prostitute who was well looked down upon? What about the Pharisees who kept telling him that what he was doing and who he was talking to was wrong. The homeless and those who were in debt must have done something horribly wrong for being in the position they are at, who would give them the light of day for not doing their job. Oh, wait, Jesus was on their side too. You see, he wasn't exactly the politically correct of a person which I'm sure you got by now. But he still LOVED THEM AND GAVE THEM A CHANCE WHEN NOBODY ELSE WOULD. Nowhere have I seen you give this person who said that they are a trans a chance. More like you wanted them to get off of the site altogether while pushing a few buttons. Oh, and with the grandparents who stood up against those who lived a sinful life, that may have been so. I think you may also find the pleasure to find these very sinners to be burned at the stake as well since that was the cost they had to pay for being such sinners. Who cares if they gave Christianity the light of day, those criminals! I know a few places in the middle east that still practices that. I think you could make some use over there.

Just because people didn't do what you expect for them to do does not mean that they are being politically correct. Nobody is accepting their lifestyle and saying that they can live that way. What they did and what many should still be able to tell these people is that they are still loved no matter where they stand and that if they open their hearts then changes can be made for the better. The drunks, druggies and prostitutes never thought that their life could change, but there have been accounts where they were changed drastically and same went for ex-homosexuals. Now answer me, where are you giving that light for this person to know this? What about many others who don't give Christianity the light of day and some may very well be because of the attitude you display? Some that even say that they won't invest their time because they think God hates them (and yes, I have met someone who said this to me). Would Jesus really want this to have people come to him, by kicking them out and saying they can't be anywhere near them?

It never helps for those who even question in general because they never know what type of responses they would get. I happen to be one of those people. I'm scared to even find any Christian church (not a Catholic or Jehovah's Witness since those seem to be the majority around here) because of the way the members treat one another. The last I went to the Catholic church I grew up in I still seen hostility and never went after trying it out for the last time since. I've given up on trying to find any hope for any type of circle and if that means I have to go through this solo then I will. Say what ever you want about it, but you know nothing of me or of that person you directed your topic to as well as the things you throw at other people. You don't know where they started out. It does make us know a bit about you as to where you stand and what hospitality you display for fellow sinners looking for an answer.

One more thing - by looking at your profile, you recently became Christian. Maybe you need to think about how you came to it and MAYBE you can show any type of remorse for those who try their best and look from the outside looking in. Some may never come in because of what you end up telling them, which would be more accountable if it's unwelcoming.

If I get banned for saying this then so be it. I don't get the logic this site has to let someone harass another and yet the one getting harassed gets kicked off.

Dagster - I have no idea what started this debate. However, using foul language in any language is inappropriate for a Christian forum.

I join in because someone needs to stand up for appropriate behavior. The subject matter is irrelevant.

The foul language I'm referring to I refuse to repeat. However this is the sentence....."You don't even have the ______________ to do so!" Post #44

Saying it in Spanish rather than English does not make it any less offensive.

DaGster

You are trying to pull me into the argument. The ONLY thing I said is that your language was inappropriate. I made no comment on your post other than that. If you want to read more into it, that's up to you. I was asking you to use appropriate language in a Christian chat room, which, in my opinion is also "standing up for our Lord Jesus Christ."

I could care less about being PC - I am concerned with being "BC". Biblically Correct.

And he called the people to him and said to them, “Hear and understand: it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person.” Matthew 15:10-11 ESV

OK, I'm a bit unnerved by this! A person "on a Christian site" just admitted that he is a "transsexual" and is living as a "woman" and no one challenges this person???? Are you kidding me?????

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A "TRANSSEXUAL CHRISTIAN"!!!!! THIS IS ABSOLUTE BLASPHEMY!! THIS PERSON IS THE ENEMY POSING AS A CHRISTIAN AND YOU PEOPLE ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT!! HOW DARE ANY OF YOU CALL YOURSELF A CHRISTIAN! THIS IS ABSOLUTE BLASPHEMY! HOMOSEXUALITY AND TRANSGENDERISM IS A MOCKERY OF GOD!!!

GOD DOES NOT ACCEPT EVERYONE! IF HE DID, HE WOULD ACCEPT THOSE WHO BLASPHEME HIM, AND HE DOES NOT!!! WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT THAT????? ANSWER ME THOSE OF YOU WHO CALL YOURSELVES CHRISTIANS! WHAT DOES GOD SAY ABOUT THAT???? TELL ME WHERE IN THE BIBLE IT SUPPORTS BLASPHEMERS????

THOSE OUT THERE WHO CALL THEMSELVES CHRISTIANS, WHO ACCEPT SUCH REPULSIVE ACTS OF BLASPHEMY, AND DARE NOT STAND UP FOR THE LORD OUT OF FEAR PERSECUTION, HAD BETTER GET DOWN ON THEIR KNEES AND TRULY REPENT OF THEIR SINS OR THEY WILL PARISH IN THE LAKE OF FIRE!!!

I AM NOT A COWARD, AND I WILL NOT ALLOW SUCH BLASPHEMY AND FILTH TO NOT GO UNNOTICED!!

Eternalblessings, why not change your name to, BAPHOMET!



This is EXACTLY why Christians are not taken seriously anymore, because too many Christians have turned into COWARDS and are too afraid to STAND UP FOR THEIR LORD JESUS CHRIST! Oh, just in case any of your forgot, he died on the cross and shed his blood for your sins, and you can't do a simple act and stand up for him with your voice?? How cowardly is that?!!!

Instead of fearing God, and seeking his praise, you fake Christians fear man, therefor only seek mans praise! All of you who call yourselves Christians had better repent and beg the Lord's forgiveness for excepting such BLASPHEMOUS FILTH!

AND, NO, I will not apologize for standing up for Our Lord Jesus Christ, like a REAL Christian should do!

If I receive any persecution from anyone in regards to this post, that will be the "true face" of Evil as the Evil One wants Political Correctness so his heathen can take over the whole Earth! Bring on the persecution! I will gladly accept it in Jesus' name!

This is EXACTLY why Christians are not taken seriously anymore, because too many Christians have turned into COWARDS and are too afraid to STAND UP FOR THEIR LORD JESUS CHRIST! Oh, just in case any of your forgot, he died on the cross and shed his blood for your sins, and you can't do a simple act and stand up for him with your voice?? How cowardly is that?!!!

PERISH* IN THE LAKE OF FIRE!!!