Rejecting Obama: Book learnin vs non-book learnin

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1still_waters

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There's a lot of talk about why some outright reject Obama in America.
Much is said about race/racism.
There is the obvious rejection due to social issues like gay marriage, abortion.

But one aspect of why he's rejected isn't discussed much.

I think some of it comes down to a rift between those who have "the fancy college education/book learning", and those who don't think they need all of that learnin.

I say this because of a comedy skit I saw at the country awards with Carrie Underwood and Brad Paisley.

They were giggling at how Obamacare doesn't work, how the website is broke, etc. etc.

The tone of their laughter wasn't one of..Oh goodness I can't stand Democrats. It wasn't even about despising government control.

The tone of their laughter was more like... Oh goodness, that fancy pants know it all college boy can't even get a website to work.

Now maybe I read too much into their tone, but I found it a unique reason for the rejection of Obama.

Is there a rift between those who don't think you need that fancy book learning, and those who do think you need that fancy book learning? What if that's a main motivator for who gets the vote? What if that's why Romney didn't get the base to really come out? Maybe he seemed just as stuff suited as Obama? What if it had nothing to do with his Mormonism or double talk at all?
 

Toska

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I know a lot of people who have college degrees and no common sense at all. I know a few people who have never set foot on a college campus and I consider them to be very, very, very, very intelligent. I would even go so far as to say that one guy I know probably has a genius level IQ. In my humble opinion, I do not think "book learnin'" makes all people smarter. I have seen several politicians that I would place in the first category I listed......college educated with no common sense.

In some ways, I think too much emphasis is placed on having a college degree. I am a teacher, so I did have to get a degree for my career choice. While I was going to college, I was talking to my husband about at least getting his associates degree because his job pays more for every level of education completed. My husband looked over the catalogue from our local community college, realized he had enough credits from his previous time at college, applied for and received a degree. Did this make him any smarter? All of the courses he had taken were from several years previous. But, he did get the raise at work:D
 
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1still_waters

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I know a lot of people who have college degrees and no common sense at all. I know a few people who have never set foot on a college campus and I consider them to be very, very, very, very intelligent. I would even go so far as to say that one guy I know probably has a genius level IQ. In my humble opinion, I do not think "book learnin'" makes all people smarter. I have seen several politicians that I would place in the first category I listed......college educated with no common sense.

In some ways, I think too much emphasis is placed on having a college degree. I am a teacher, so I did have to get a degree for my career choice. While I was going to college, I was talking to my husband about at least getting his associates degree because his job pays more for every level of education completed. My husband looked over the catalogue from our local community college, realized he had enough credits from his previous time at college, applied for and received a degree. Did this make him any smarter? All of the courses he had taken were from several years previous. But, he did get the raise at work:D
Yeah that's exactly the view I'm talking about.
The view that sees folks with that college education as having no common sense at all, while those with "no book learnin"
are the truly intelligent ones.
 
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tripsin

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There's a lot of talk about why some outright reject Obama in America.
Much is said about race/racism.
There is the obvious rejection due to social issues like gay marriage, abortion.
But one aspect of why he's rejected isn't discussed much.
I think some of it comes down to a rift between those who have "the fancy college education/book learning", and those who don't think they need all of that learnin.
I say this because of a comedy skit I saw at the country awards with Carrie Underwood and Brad Paisley.
They were giggling at how Obamacare doesn't work, how the website is broke, etc. etc.
The tone of their laughter wasn't one of..Oh goodness I can't stand Democrats. It wasn't even about despising government control.
The tone of their laughter was more like... Oh goodness, that fancy pants know it all college boy can't even get a website to work.
Now maybe I read too much into their tone, but I found it a unique reason for the rejection of Obama.
Is there a rift between those who don't think you need that fancy book learning, and those who do think you need that fancy book learning? What if that's a main motivator for who gets the vote? What if that's why Romney didn't get the base to really come out? Maybe he seemed just as stuff suited as Obama? What if it had nothing to do with his Mormonism or double talk at all?
No. That is not the reason. It goes deeper than that. People do not like Obama because they are beginning to understand where he comes from.

His mother and grandparents where socialists. His mother was a Hippy. We are not even sure if the Sr. Obama was his real father. He was adopted by his mother's second husband and raised a Muslim as long as he lived there. In his later youth, his mentor was Frank Marshall Davis, a card carrying communist. And He highly admired Saul Alinsky re "Rules for Radials".

Read about socialism, communism, Marxism and Saul Alinsky then you will understand what is happening to our Country. And U.S. Patriots DO NOT LIKE IT!
 
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Jesus and all other true profits were socialist you big dummies! no offense. lol. The whole point of a society is socialism, not to let the winners be parasites off the losers that bow to a few at the expense of the many. you knuckleheads really gotta go back to school or church, either way you missed all of history and are doomed to keep repeating it. Just trying to set you all straight. lol.
 

Toska

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Yeah that's exactly the view I'm talking about.
The view that sees folks with that college education as having no common sense at all, while those with "no book learnin"
are the truly intelligent ones.
I am glad to see we think alike about this subject. That opinion makes me a little unpopular with my administration at school but, I try to be as truthful as I can without making them mad at me:)
 
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tripsin

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Jesus and all other true profits were socialist you big dummies! no offense. lol. The whole point of a society is socialism, not to let the winners be parasites off the losers that bow to a few at the expense of the many. you knuckleheads really gotta go back to school or church, either way you missed all of history and are doomed to keep repeating it. Just trying to set you all straight. lol.
And it (socialism) didn't work in the early church either. Did it?
 
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Nope. Just like capitalism has never worked for more then a few centuries. Capitalism works off of death, conquest and destruction and that's where it always leads us too. But you think you are tougher for you have won the game? You think socialism would work if it was left alone and not killed by you roman soldiers always coming in the name of your war God to kill all who opposed your will? cold war sound familiar? what right do we capitalists have to impose our way of life, actually death, upon others? This is your Gospel/constitution? Sorry, but it ends in hell friend and I don't want you there nor will I follow you there
 
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You admit Jesus was a socialist and that bothers you. Because at the root of your soul you know you have forsaken him for your worldly goodies. It's never too late to see the truth and the light. Go give away all your possession and follow him. You'll thank him and even me for reminding you in the end. Trust in God and trust me on that one. For you can right it on your money but if that trust isn't in him it's as worthless as all you people's money soon will be.
 

Toska

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Jesus and all other true profits were socialist you big dummies! no offense. lol. The whole point of a society is socialism, not to let the winners be parasites off the losers that bow to a few at the expense of the many. you knuckleheads really gotta go back to school or church, either way you missed all of history and are doomed to keep repeating it. Just trying to set you all straight. lol.
Can you please give me your definition of socialism? This is a sincere question, I am not sure that I am understanding you.
 
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the beauty of God's honest simple truth is that it's free to all good souls as a life saving common sense we all will come to either kicking and screaming or skipping with smiles beaming. take your pick but do it quick, for the time has come, to either follow God's son, to a better world of joy and peace, or to all be devoured by the flames of the beast.
 
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I know you asked first but.. I think socialism is a society that sees the health and welfare of the individual as paramount to the health of the whole society. Did I get that right according to your websters version? If not, have websters change it for me.
 
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tripsin

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Can you please give me your definition of socialism? This is a sincere question, I am not sure that I am understanding you.
I'm not sure there is a definite meaning anymore. It seems to me that today socialism, communism and Marxism have become a mixture in some of today's belief systems.

One dictionary states: Socialism - A system or theory of social organization in which the producers possess both political power and production and distribution means. Sound familiar?
 
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yes it does sound familiar. Almost like for the people by the people. doesn't it? we have all let it become for four people and buy the people. we dirty whorish generation. lol
 
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that definition also sounds like most religions, early jewism especially. Like exodus the pyramid scheme we still live under today? dah? any of this sinking in to you so called religious scholars?
 

T_Laurich

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You admit Jesus was a socialist and that bothers you. Because at the root of your soul you know you have forsaken him for your worldly goodies. It's never too late to see the truth and the light. Go give away all your possession and follow him. You'll thank him and even me for reminding you in the end. Trust in God and trust me on that one. For you can right it on your money but if that trust isn't in him it's as worthless as all you people's money soon will be.
Actually he is not a socialist... God is a Monarch or as we say in modern times; a communist...


To the OP I have to agree, one thing I noticed is before I got a job I thought of my self as highly intelligent when it came to micro economics... I would look at politics as any set of laws or logic.... And interpret it and say well this stance is correct and this one is not... I found myself to be highly democratic...

After getting a minimum wage job that I work 40+ hours a week to break $350.00... I noticed my views changed to the more tangible and reasonable... It is hard to explain but I have noticed that a friend and I that used to have identical views, now when we talk politics I am nauseated by it... I can see his lack of real world experience in his views... I never would have thought the line was not about being experienced in the real world, and literate from a paper world... I always thought that those who held another view were just illiterate: the proletariat...

Funny how a little sweat and a little money can change a persons life views in a few months...
 
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tripsin

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Nope. Just like capitalism has never worked for more then a few centuries. Capitalism works off of death, conquest and destruction and that's where it always leads us too. But you think you are tougher for you have won the game? You think socialism would work if it was left alone and not killed by you roman soldiers always coming in the name of your war God to kill all who opposed your will? cold war sound familiar? what right do we capitalists have to impose our way of life, actually death, upon others? This is your Gospel/constitution? Sorry, but it ends in hell friend and I don't want you there nor will I follow you there
It seems to me that capitalism has worked very well for the United States, which in the past, has been based on our Christian-Judeo values. Throw out those values and you see what we are getting.
 

Toska

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I know you asked first but.. I think socialism is a society that sees the health and welfare of the individual as paramount to the health of the whole society. Did I get that right according to your websters version? If not, have websters change it for me.
Thank you for clarifying that for me. I do not know what the Webster's version says about socialism. I was just making sure that I was reading you right. God Bless.
 

T_Laurich

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Just going to say this...

People who say that Jesus is a socialist are politically and biblically incorrect... (people who use this term are normally democratic, and they use it as a front to protect their party's motives that differ from the republicans who are considered more biblical).

They fail to accept that God is by definition a communist... That His views are of the communist lines... That all men are equal, that all deserve the same opportunities...
 
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tripsin

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You admit Jesus was a socialist and that bothers you. Because at the root of your soul you know you have forsaken him for your worldly goodies. It's never too late to see the truth and the light. Go give away all your possession and follow him. You'll thank him and even me for reminding you in the end. Trust in God and trust me on that one. For you can right it on your money but if that trust isn't in him it's as worthless as all you people's money soon will be.
I did not say that Jesus was a socialist. I only see Him as the way, life and reality. And I'm not 'bothered.' But, by your posts, I think you are bothered by something. Take time to chill. :cool: