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Tolerance

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I can see by your replies that my curiosities seem childish. I feel a little embarassed. I am new to Christianity kinda. When i was young it was beat into my head that i would go to hell if i didnt struggle to be a good Christian. I gave myself to God then, out of fear. But i never actually felt the spirit of the lord and ended up falling away.
Just recently i humbled myself and surrendered to God. Since then my relationship with Jesus has been VERY different.
Im just worried that if i go about telling my kids of concequences like i was told that i will push them away from Christ like i was.
 
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Miri

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#22
There is nothing wrong with teaching children about consequences.
If you don't you will end up with spoilt brats or prison dwellers. Lol

So if you mess around with matches you might get burnt. If you don't
go to schools you will lose out later in life if you can't read or write.

If you run across the road without looking what is coming you may get
run over. Etc.

Even God set out the consequences of our actions in the bible.

I think though that the actions and consequences stuff needs to be balanced
out with love. Like if you go wading in the mud and drag mud all over the
house, then the consequence is you will have to spend the evening cleaning it up.
But that doesn't mean I have stopped loving you or no longer want the best for
you etc.

When it comes to teaching children about God, it is important that we give them
accurate information and don't stand there waving the finger saying REPENT YOU
EVIL SINNER etc. Lol :)

Some people do that with adults and children and it puts both off.
 

slave

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#23
I can see by your replies that my curiosities seem childish. I feel a little embarassed. I am new to Christianity kinda. When i was young it was beat into my head that i would go to hell if i didnt struggle to be a good Christian. I gave myself to God then, out of fear. But i never actually felt the spirit of the lord and ended up falling away.
Just recently i humbled myself and surrendered to God. Since then my relationship with Jesus has been VERY different.
Im just worried that if i go about telling my kids of concequences like i was told that i will push them away from Christ like i was.
I get how sometimes for the right goal we in family heritage beliefs set standards that are meant well, but are not true. It is also true we can thru human reasoning get it wrong in our religious historical doctrines, apply fearing God as to having to die to the "good" parts of who we are. But God would have us be emotionally healthy and not follow these false unhealthy practices in our love and fear of Him. It is never wrong to be real about all truths, but with kids it should be noted to be timely. It is not wrong therefore to fear eternal pain, or feelings of hopelessness apart from God, but it is also not wrong to delight in Salvation and in our freedom found in it: to friendships, joy, art, beauty, recreation, laughter, and nature. God plants desires in our hearts so we will nurture and water them. These are invitations from God, gifts from Him, yet, somehow we feel guilty unwrapping those presents from wrongly emphasizing other aspects of truth to fit us in with God under our experiences and not His.

We therefore love because we were first loved, loving all of God and all of His truths.Not loved because we were threatened, thus properly fear God, having God spoon-feed us love. Despite the realness of the consequences to sin being substantially heinous leading to eternal punishment. God's message is that of reconciliation and peace and Joy, and life more abundant in the wake of the truth of sins facts, leading to His grace to which is also true and real, and more than conquering.

But we need to be careful that we don't listen to Satan when he would have us say, "I don't want to serve my kids a God of vice-grip like distain for my real needs, having me fear Him only to feel abashed in my concerns and desires." For to do that would be listening to a lie. God wants to highlight our needs and desires and meet them; to give us answers that will satisfy us more than we can even realize in our own understanding yet.

But God will have us also go and face walls in our lives. It's ironic how God accepts us as we are, but He never leaves us that way...smile. He enables circumstances and difficulties to transform us from our old pictures and cultures we believed before Him to put up the new pictures of His Righteous abundant living to be fully realized. The walls we hit are also gifts from God. He is not Satan's version -- a vice-grip thats strips you and your kids from things worth having, He is taking us on a journey with many twists and strange turns in order that deep, experiential life changes might take place in you and me thru Jesus Christ showing us of the depth of His love for us. The sad reality is that most of us will not go forward until pain of staying where we are is unbearable.

Spiritual growth is the place we are constantly traveling from "positional sanctification", or the place God has placed us in regeneration from what Jesus has done giving us life,... to "ultimate sanctification" where I have laid my life alongside Christ being crucified with Christ and I no longer live, or where I have died to the right to myself. God slowly walks with us filling in us what we lack and transforming us to become His finished work; until Christ-like and child-like faith drives our identity forward and upward.

Thru God's grace we must know of what we are graced from, thus, to tell your kids of consequences isn't as important as simply telling them the truth of Sin, which carries those in that truth, but only to preface and quantitate the finished message of the gospel which is our reconciliation to the God-head and His Kingdom. God's grace is to send His only begotten Son to make sin no longer our consequence, herein lies the message of sins reality to tell to your kids. This will not push away your kids then, but attract and enlighten them to the truth and the truth will set them free.
 
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Depleted

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This is a sincere curiosity of mine, dont crucify my ( pun intended ) .Through out the word of God it is said that the Jewish are Gods chosen people, so why be a Christian and not a jew ?
Not throughout. Pretty much ends at the beginning of the NT. Now God's people are the w"whosoever will believes"s.
 

JesusLives

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Another question : Is it wrong to seek Christianity strictly because one fears eternal damnation ? It seems kinda selfish to me .
I would reword the question as such..... Do I really want to go to heaven and hang out with a God just waiting to zap me out of existence and send me to be tortured because I wasn't good enough of a Christian? Or....

Do I want to go to heaven because I am afraid of God and what He is going to do to me?

Hell fire preachers scared the crap out of me when I was a kid......

It was refreshing to learn that God loves us all so much that He sacrifice His Son to pay for our debt as we owe big time on our wages of sin.... Then while we were yet sinners or God's enemies He still sent His Son to die for us and take our place because God loved us so much He provided a way out....


Love Comes from God
I like the Bible verse 1 John 4:~
…18There is no fear in love, but perfect love drives out fear, because fear involves punishment. The one who fears has not been perfected in love. 19We love because He first loved us.




 
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jasonj

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#26
I would reword the question as such..... Do I really want to go to heaven and hang out with a God just waiting to zap me out of existence and send me to be tortured because I wasn't good enough of a Christian? Or....

Do I want to go to heaven because I am afraid of God and what He is going to do to me?

Hell fire preachers scared the crap out of me when I was a kid......

It was refreshing to learn that God loves us all so much that He sacrifice His Son to pay for our debt as we owe big time on our wages of sin.... Then while we were yet sinners or God's enemies He still sent His Son to die for us and take our place because God loved us so much He provided a way out....


Love Comes from God
I like the Bible verse 1 John 4:~
…18There is no fear in love, but perfect love drives out fear, because fear involves punishment. The one who fears has not been perfected in love. 19We love because He first loved us.
Fear is misunderstood. it is in accordance with the holy spirit.

acts 9:31 " Then the church throughout Judea, galilee and samaria enjoyed a time of peace. it was strengthened ; and encouraged by the holy spirit, it grew in numbers LIVING IN THE FEAR OF THE LORD."

the fear of the Lord came the moment man disobeyed in the Garden. when the Lord was coming near

genesis 3:8-10 " Then the man and His wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the evening, and they Hid from the Lord God among the trees of the Garden. but the Lord God called out to the man. where are you? He answered I heard you in the Garden and I WAS AFRAID because I was naked, so I hid."

fear was not the issue, it was the result of the issue. Fear of God is vastly misunderstood, and thus rejected as a bad thing. to walk in Fear of God is wisdom, and leads to living an upright Life before Him, living right before Him is perfecting Love. that is what casts out fear. God Loves us, he loved adam, adam was still afraid because of His transgression. fear doesn't lead Him to Hide, transgression hides Him and creates fear because " you will surely die" is now a death sentence to man ..... the Law used fear to bring man to repentance. to deny the fear of, is to claim perfection before God, " why should I fear God? because it leads the person in Christ to God, under law it hides us, in Christ it leads us near in repentance by revealing our imperfections to the Light, which gives all men life.

fear leaves as obedience comes. "perfect Love " is when love is complete and we are returning His Love. the opposite of adam. disobedience to the mosaic law = fear that seperates, obedience to Christ = fear that leads to reconciliation resulting in perfect Love.

to make it simple "perfect Love is in the same scriptures you applied just a bit further on..the one who fears is not made [erfect in Love......1 john 5:2-3.....v3 "This is Love for God, to obey His commands and His commands are not burdensome."


that is the love that casts out fear, and anyone who cant claim perfect Love, needs to accept the fear that "scares us" it is there to save, not hide from. I want to be with a God that gave His sons life, in exchange for mine. and wisdom says fear God because He is all powerful and warns of what is coming. fear began as a result of the first transgression, it leaves through obedience to Jesus commands. complete Love is Love Given and returned
 

JesusLives

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Fear is misunderstood. it is in accordance with the holy spirit.

acts 9:31 " Then the church throughout Judea, galilee and samaria enjoyed a time of peace. it was strengthened ; and encouraged by the holy spirit, it grew in numbers LIVING IN THE FEAR OF THE LORD."

the fear of the Lord came the moment man disobeyed in the Garden. when the Lord was coming near

genesis 3:8-10 " Then the man and His wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the evening, and they Hid from the Lord God among the trees of the Garden. but the Lord God called out to the man. where are you? He answered I heard you in the Garden and I WAS AFRAID because I was naked, so I hid."

fear was not the issue, it was the result of the issue. Fear of God is vastly misunderstood, and thus rejected as a bad thing. to walk in Fear of God is wisdom, and leads to living an upright Life before Him, living right before Him is perfecting Love. that is what casts out fear. God Loves us, he loved adam, adam was still afraid because of His transgression. fear doesn't lead Him to Hide, transgression hides Him and creates fear because " you will surely die" is now a death sentence to man ..... the Law used fear to bring man to repentance. to deny the fear of, is to claim perfection before God, " why should I fear God? because it leads the person in Christ to God, under law it hides us, in Christ it leads us near in repentance by revealing our imperfections to the Light, which gives all men life.

fear leaves as obedience comes. "perfect Love " is when love is complete and we are returning His Love. the opposite of adam. disobedience to the mosaic law = fear that seperates, obedience to Christ = fear that leads to reconciliation resulting in perfect Love.

to make it simple "perfect Love is in the same scriptures you applied just a bit further on..the one who fears is not made [erfect in Love......1 john 5:2-3.....v3 "This is Love for God, to obey His commands and His commands are not burdensome."


that is the love that casts out fear, and anyone who cant claim perfect Love, needs to accept the fear that "scares us" it is there to save, not hide from. I want to be with a God that gave His sons life, in exchange for mine. and wisdom says fear God because He is all powerful and warns of what is coming. fear began as a result of the first transgression, it leaves through obedience to Jesus commands. complete Love is Love Given and returned
I don't ever want to have to fear as in be afraid of God....your description sounds a tad like works that we obey to not be afraid of God...

I want the awesome fear, respectful fear of God because I love Him so much because He took my punishment, He obeyed when it was impossible for me to and because of the awesome respect and love He has given me in His Sacrifice and paying the price of my punishment.

That brings me to my knees in repentance and melts my heart to love Him back and because He had given His Holy Spirit to me to help me love and fear, have that awesome respect and love for Him then I with His help only can do an about face and turn away from sin only in His strength.... knowing that He is my Judge and Jury and I have nothing to fear because my Loving God has me in His arms and the perfect love He has for me casts out all fear as in being afraid because He is my Sacrifice, Judge and I know He loves me and have no fear, as in being afraid of punishment....

Not because I obeyed but His love brought me to obedience.....therefore no reason for fear being afraid, but fear as in awesome worship and adoration of His love for me.
 
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Ariel82

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Okay I skimmed the thread....Will try and keep answer short.


Some might crucify me for saying it....


The Jewish people were only important because God used them to bring forth Jesus the Seed, the promised Messiah of the world.

Otherwise they were sinners like everyone else.

However God entrusted them with prophecy and fulfillment of His salvation plan through Jesus.

I can find Bible verses later to support what I am saying, but typing on phone makes it hard.

Your next question is about how you teach children to know and fear God and become believers in Christ.

We could start a separate thread about raising Godly children and what it means to be born again.

It would probably take a few hours or study and discussion, but we have great folks on here that could help.

We have dive deep in the Bible ourselves and learn from the mistakes of others so we don't repeat it.

Don't feel foolish for asking questions.

Someone told me that the beginning of wisdom is fear of God, it's end is unending love.

There is also a difference between godly fear of God and worldly worries and fear of anything other than God.

If God says you are doing okay, then who can tell Him that He is wrong?

If God says He forgives you, are you better than God to say He is wrong?

I hope to raise kids who do what is right, not out of fear of punishment or reward but out of hearts that yearn for justice and truth.
 
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Ariel82

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Perfect love is not perfect obedience to the Law.

It is walking with the Spirit and displaying the fruit of love, joy, patience, peace, self control, kindness (Galatians 5v22-23)

Love is more than brotherly kindness. It is the type of love God gives us and with His help and leading we learn to give others.

Anyway, totally failed at keeping it short lol.

May God's light and love shine upon your life and the lives of your family. God we pray for our children. Place in them hearts that seek You and your wisdom. Protect them from evil and lead them not into temption. Help us to become better people that you will be glorified and not ashamed to call us Your children. God as they are with us and when they are apart from us, bless them and keep them under your wings. Thank you God for all the people in our lives. Thank you for this online fellowship and the opportunity to touch lives and grow together. Be with us as we study your word, as we walk in this world. Help us to display your love all for Your glory. In Jesus holy name we pray, amen.