Stave Three of A Christmas Carol

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Magenta

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Emma Thompson married the real life Willoughby :eek:

I had not known she penned the screenplay for S&S.
She is mighty talented to be sure. :)
 
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Lol, yes that's a good one. I love the part where Mrs. Bennett is getting herself all worked up about being one day thrown out by Mr. Collins after Mr. Bennett dies, and Mr. Bennett says very calmly, to be more positive and that she might die before him. :D (I can't remember the exact quote).
"I don't know what will become of us all. Indeed, I do not. And I cannot bear to think of Charlotte Lucas being mistress of this house. That I should be forced to make way for her, and live to see her take my place in it."

"My dear, do not give way to such gloomy thoughts. Let us hope for better things. Let us flatter ourselves, that I might outlive you." Totally my favourite line! :D
 
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Mr. Bennet: "My dear, do not give way to such gloomy thoughts. Let us hope for better things. Let us flatter ourselves, that I might outlive you."

Superbly wicked humour.



lol, you beat me to it :D
 
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I liked the book better than the film, but I am a great fan of Daphne du Maurier and her creepiness. She was a good writer of atmosphere. The film is good- and Fontaine a superb second Mrs. de Winter.

The 1995 version, I like Jane- she's gentle, but maybe too soft spoken? Mr. Darcy has a good case when he tells Lizzie that he wasn't sure of Jane's feelings for Mr. Bingley, she doesn't really show her affection outwardly. I guess she was more like her dad and less like her Mom?
SPOILER ALERT!! I didn't like the fact that Maxim killed Rebecca in cold blood in the book :mad:. I totally preferred what the movie did there. Also, I preferred Jack Flavell in the movie. In the book I felt he was something of an idiot, whereas in the movie he was super dangerous and creepy!
 
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I am watching Ang Lee's Sense And Sensibility now.
It is such a charming movie, and so lovely to revisit :)


[video=youtube;xrMiWM99mLk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrMiWM99mLk[/video]

Here is another link for you, Galatea :D

Mrs. Robinson by Simon & Garfunkel Songfacts
I love this version- very beautifully made. Thompson said she was too old to play Eleanor, but I think she was lovely. :) The scene where Marianne is ill and Eleanor is at her bedside is the best. Very touching- I think it is significant that Eleanor breaks down at this point. That is why I think of it as a love story between sisters more than between lovers (though, that's there too). There's a gorgeous Masterpiece Theater film about Austen and the sweet relationship between herself and her sister, Cassandra. Neither married. Cassandra's fiancé died- and they think Austen turned down a couple of suitors. The sisters lived together. It was very beautiful, I can't remember who was in it, but it was FAR superior to Becoming Jane with Anne Hathaway- I was disappointed in that one. I like Hathaway, but she didn't seem like Jane Austen.

Thanks for the link! I didn't know the song "Here's to you, Mrs. Robinson" was originally written for Eleanor Roosevelt, but it makes sense "going to the candidate's debate." My favorite Simon and Garfunkle song is "Scarborough Fair" it sounds medieval.
 
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Galatea

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Mr. Bennet: "My dear, do not give way to such gloomy thoughts. Let us hope for better things. Let us flatter ourselves, that I might outlive you."

Superbly wicked humour.



Thanks! That's a great scene. And the actress who plays Mrs. Bennett has the best expression on her face, like she is processing what her husband just said. Lol. Lizzie had to get her wit from someone. :)
 
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Galatea

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SPOILER ALERT!! I didn't like the fact that Maxim killed Rebecca in cold blood in the book :mad:. I totally preferred what the movie did there. Also, I preferred Jack Flavell in the movie. In the book I felt he was something of an idiot, whereas in the movie he was super dangerous and creepy!
George Sanders played Jack- he was always oily, smarmy is the word, I think. He's in All About Eve- talk about smarm. He oozed it!


Since Rebecca was filmed during the days of the Code, the filmmakers had to change the plot a little. The felt that Maxim can not have killed Rebecca and then get off scot free- that was the case back then. People who committed crimes had to be punished. So, that was the reason that the plot was changed for the film. In the book, though, Maxim DOESN'T get off- at the end of the book, Mrs. de Winter talks about how they can never escape Manderley, no matter where they go.
 
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George Sanders played Jack- he was always oily, smarmy is the word, I think. He's in All About Eve- talk about smarm. He oozed it!


Since Rebecca was filmed during the days of the Code, the filmmakers had to change the plot a little. The felt that Maxim can not have killed Rebecca and then get off scot free- that was the case back then. People who committed crimes had to be punished. So, that was the reason that the plot was changed for the film. In the book, though, Maxim DOESN'T get off- at the end of the book, Mrs. de Winter talks about how they can never escape Manderley, no matter where they go.
I would have hated to see George Saunders in a more villainous role. (Jack and and the tiger in The Jungle Book were scary enough for me lol).

Good ol' Hays office! It screened out a lot of junk.
 
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Galatea

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I would have hated to see George Saunders in a more villainous role. (Jack and and the tiger in The Jungle Book were scary enough for me lol).

Good ol' Hays office! It screened out a lot of junk.
He's pretty bad as Addison de Witt in All About Eve. It's a great film, though. I think you'd like it. Oh yeah, I forgot he was Shere Khan. :) He had a great voice, though.
 
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He's pretty bad as Addison de Witt in All About Eve. It's a great film, though. I think you'd like it. Oh yeah, I forgot he was Shere Khan. :) He had a great voice, though.
He could have made a living at audio books :D. I'm looking up All About Eve right now.
 

Magenta

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I love this version- very beautifully made. Thompson said she was too old to play Eleanor, but I think she was lovely. :) The scene where Marianne is ill and Eleanor is at her bedside is the best. Very touching- I think it is significant that Eleanor breaks down at this point. That is why I think of it as a love story between sisters more than between lovers (though, that's there too). There's a gorgeous Masterpiece Theater film about Austen and the sweet relationship between herself and her sister, Cassandra. Neither married. Cassandra's fiancé died- and they think Austen turned down a couple of suitors. The sisters lived together. It was very beautiful, I can't remember who was in it, but it was FAR superior to Becoming Jane with Anne Hathaway- I was disappointed in that one. I like Hathaway, but she didn't seem like Jane Austen.

Thanks for the link! I didn't know the song "Here's to you, Mrs. Robinson" was originally written for Eleanor Roosevelt, but it makes sense "going to the candidate's debate." My favorite Simon and Garfunkle song is "Scarborough Fair" it sounds medieval.
Emma Thompson has aged quite well and did not seem that much older as Eleanor than Marianne, even though in real life at least fifteen years separates them (1959-1975). I have just gotten to the part of the film were Colonel Brandon is called away from the picnic he is hosting, and the five (including Willoughby) are picnicking at the cottage. I do remember that scene with the two sisters, after Mariane has just found out about Willoughby throwing her over for someone else, and becomes deathly ill. It is interesting for me to notice that I had forgotten a lot of the beginning scenes of the movie (though not the story itself), and so it was a real pleasure to meet Edward again for the first time and see how his wicked conniving sister pulls him away from Eleanor, and also to see Colonel Brandon's infatuation with Marianne from before he even lays eyes on her, as he hears her playing the piano and her angelic voice as he enters the house of their hosts. I do agree that there is a great love between the sisters that is very touching. I shall have to hunt down the Masterpiece Theatre film you have mentioned here. :)

Scarborough Fair was also part of The Graduate Movie. I love Simon and Garfunkel. I went to see Paul Simon live a number of years ago and was a bit disappointed that he performed nothing from his Rhythm of the Saints CD. I was completely taken with it once I allowed it to grow on me. I had no reservations about Graceland. I loved that CD so much, haha it is probably part of why the other took a while to stick :D I don't know that I could pick a favourite song of theirs, as they have done so many truly wonderful pieces over the years. Here is one of the ones I still love to listen to:

[video=youtube;-HQ2j-SGBZk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HQ2j-SGBZk[/video]
 
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Willoughby was a snake...but I can't help feeling sorry for him. I think he was more of a sympathetic character than Wickham.
 

maxwel

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We've graduated to talking about films of books- but they are very "talky" Austen and Bronte books. No action as of yet. We have not ascended or descended (as the case may be) to that level.

I like films of books.

Here's a film of a book.




[video=youtube;Zd_V2d5Zlvo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd_V2d5Zlvo[/video]
 

Magenta

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Want to read a "talkie" book? Try The Idiot by Dostoyevsky :D
 

maxwel

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I'll read anything with "idiot" in the title.
 
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Galatea

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Emma Thompson has aged quite well and did not seem that much older as Eleanor than Marianne, even though in real life at least fifteen years separates them (1959-1975). I have just gotten to the part of the film were Colonel Brandon is called away from the picnic he is hosting, and the five (including Willoughby) are picnicking at the cottage. I do remember that scene with the two sisters, after Mariane has just found out about Willoughby throwing her over for someone else, and becomes deathly ill. It is interesting for me to notice that I had forgotten a lot of the beginning scenes of the movie (though not the story itself), and so it was a real pleasure to meet Edward again for the first time and see how his wicked conniving sister pulls him away from Eleanor, and also to see Colonel Brandon's infatuation with Marianne from before he even lays eyes on her, as he hears her playing the piano and her angelic voice as he enters the house of their hosts. I do agree that there is a great love between the sisters that is very touching. I shall have to hunt down the Masterpiece Theatre film you have mentioned here. :)

Scarborough Fair was also part of The Graduate Movie. I love Simon and Garfunkel. I went to see Paul Simon live a number of years ago and was a bit disappointed that he performed nothing from his Rhythm of the Saints CD. I was completely taken with it once I allowed it to grow on me. I had no reservations about Graceland. I loved that CD so much, haha it is probably part of why the other took a while to stick :D I don't know that I could pick a favourite song of theirs, as they have done so many truly wonderful pieces over the years. Here is one of the ones I still love to listen to:


Yes, I think Emma Thompson was great in the film, as always. I LOVE her in Remains of the Day. It was so sad, and so beautiful. I think the kiss between her and Anthony Hopkins is probably the most romantic onscreen. I wish I could have seen that film in the theater. I STILL need to read the book.

It seems unbelievable that Marianne could love Willoughby and reject Brandon, but there you are. That is a great scene where he falls in love with Marianne all at once- love at first sound. :)

I like Emily, it is a beautiful song. I think the Simon and Garfunkel songs have a wistful quality about them. There is something longing in all of them.

[video=youtube;qdz8m_PImwI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdz8m_PImwI[/video]

I know you've heard it, but people who are not throwbacks (like yours truly) may not have heard it. :)
 

Magenta

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Willoughby was a snake...but I can't help feeling sorry for him. I think he was more of a sympathetic character than Wickham.
A Snake? No, surely he was not that bad. He truly cared for Marianne but his sensibilities about position in life would not allow him to marry someone poor. Even Elizabeth understood and had no reservations in Wickham becoming attached to someone else when she was so fond of him. No formal agreement was ever made between them, plus by then she knew his true character, and he was a truly deceitful person, having no scruples whatsoever.
 
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Willoughby was a snake...but I can't help feeling sorry for him. I think he was more of a sympathetic character than Wickham.
Both Willoughby and Wickham led women on, with no intentions for marriage. This makes them BOTH horrible. Willoughby was a little less reprehensible since he did not lead Marianne completely astray. I just realized something, both men had W's for last names. I wonder why? I wonder if a Mr. W led Jane Austen on? Who knows.
 

Magenta

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Both Willoughby and Wickham led women on, with no intentions for marriage. This makes them BOTH horrible. Willoughby was a little less reprehensible since he did not lead Marianne completely astray. I just realized something, both men had W's for last names. I wonder why? I wonder if a Mr. W led Jane Austen on? Who knows.
Wiley Mr. Wonderful willfully wounds wistful women?