Stave Two of "A Christmas Carol"

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Desdichado

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Galatea! Here's a question for you given your third point in the OP, do you think the memories Scrooge is dragged to are 100% reliable?
 
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Yes, I totally agree that he writes VERY realistically. My point was kind of from a literary standpoint, a lot of lit. junkies don't believe in the supernatural, and yet THEY are the ones that laud Dickens for his realism. I have always wondered how he gets away with the sticky-sweet morals in his stories...and does it with style! They're SO real. (I also love the part where the baby was thought to have swallowed the toy turkey...brilliant! :D)
You know, I have heard a lot about Dickens' sentimentality. I think the thing that makes it palatable is when you are reading Dickens, the reader BELIEVES Dickens. Dickens is sentimental himself. There are accounts of Dickens reading his works aloud to audiences, and he was so animated, he brought the characters to life. There is an authenticity even amidst his fantastic characters and events.
 
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Galatea! Here's a question for you given your third point in the OP, do you think the memories Scrooge is dragged to are 100% reliable?
Yes, that's a good question. Dickens writes that "And in the very wonder of this, it would be itself again; distinct and clear as ever." Since the spirit was whole, I think it can be deduced that his memories are correct.
 

Desdichado

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I'm now going back and looking for clues, hahahaha.

Yes, that's a good question. Dickens writes that "And in the very wonder of this, it would be itself again; distinct and clear as ever." Since the spirit was whole, I think it can be deduced that his memories are correct.
 
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You know, I have heard a lot about Dickens' sentimentality. I think the thing that makes it palatable is when you are reading Dickens, the reader BELIEVES Dickens. Dickens is sentimental himself. There are accounts of Dickens reading his works aloud to audiences, and he was so animated, he brought the characters to life. There is an authenticity even amidst his fantastic characters and events.
I think that's a very good portrayal. He makes the characters seem so alive, (even without having heard him read his books). I literally sobbed at the end of The Tale of Two Cities.
 

Desdichado

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That is something that strikes me about this work especially- the subject matter is entirely fantastical, but totally relatable in a way.

Have I already observed that? I might have and I'm too lazy to check.

You know, I have heard a lot about Dickens' sentimentality. I think the thing that makes it palatable is when you are reading Dickens, the reader BELIEVES Dickens. Dickens is sentimental himself. There are accounts of Dickens reading his works aloud to audiences, and he was so animated, he brought the characters to life. There is an authenticity even amidst his fantastic characters and events.
 

Desdichado

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Oh Galatea, you have to check out my profile picture. I think you will appreciate my brand uniformity. :p
 
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I think that's a very good portrayal. He makes the characters seem so alive, (even without having heard him read his books). I literally sobbed at the end of The Tale of Two Cities.
A Tale of Two Cities is one of those books you cry through- I cried at the description of Dr. Manet (sp?) It's a beautiful book. Have you read his others? David Copperfield ​is my favorite- and Dickens' too. It was the most autobiographical.
 
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That is something that strikes me about this work especially- the subject matter is entirely fantastical, but totally relatable in a way.

Have I already observed that? I might have and I'm too lazy to check.
Dickens is sort of like a good actor, he believes in what he writes, just like a good actor believes in his character. It might be fantastic, but we believe it because he believes it. One of the things I adore about Dickens is his portrayal of the poor. He gives the poor dignity, and while some of his poor are wretches (like the people selling Scrooge's things) many of his poor are imbued with honor (like the Cratchitts, and good Joe Gargery in Great Expectations).

I'm not sure if you made the point or not, I should think bird watching is somewhat distracting. :p
 
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A Tale of Two Cities is one of those books you cry through- I cried at the description of Dr. Manet (sp?) It's a beautiful book. Have you read his others? David Copperfield ​is my favorite- and Dickens' too. It was the most autobiographical.
I could not stomach David Copperfield. Maybe I should try again now that I'm older. I enjoy some of Dicken's short stories, though!
 
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I could not stomach David Copperfield. Maybe I should try again now that I'm older. I enjoy some of Dicken's short stories, though!
Yes, try it again. Great Expectations is wonderful too. I read it twice, once in 9th grade, and then as an adult and felt totally different about it when I read it as an adult. Which stories have you read?
 
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Yes, try it again. Great Expectations is wonderful too. I read it twice, once in 9th grade, and then as an adult and felt totally different about it when I read it as an adult. Which stories have you read?
I am drawing a blank on title names...
 

Desdichado

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Seconding Great Expectations. ​It's a great book.
 
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I am drawing a blank on title names...
Hopefully, we will have a book club here in the future, if you are interested. I thought we would canvass suggestions from interested parties and then we can read and discuss. I read on the Modesty thread that you may not be around long. If you have time from school and other obligations, you might want to read with us. I don't know if you like reading a lot, but I always enjoy reading and talking to someone about what I've read. Joy is doubled when shared by two- or something like that.
 
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Hopefully, we will have a book club here in the future, if you are interested. I thought we would canvass suggestions from interested parties and then we can read and discuss. I read on the Modesty thread that you may not be around long. If you have time from school and other obligations, you might want to read with us. I don't know if you like reading a lot, but I always enjoy reading and talking to someone about what I've read. Joy is doubled when shared by two- or something like that.
I love reading :) But yes, I might be stepping out again. It all depends on some stuff going on in life right now.
 
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I love reading :) But yes, I might be stepping out again. It all depends on some stuff going on in life right now.
Alright, hopefully this book club idea is something that will take off. I hope it will work and be around for a while. And, I hope all will go well with you. God bless you, and thank you for your comments tonight. I love meeting fellow Dickens enthusiasts. I'm kind of a fan (in case you can't tell, lol). I liked all the things you had to say, it is kind of strange how Dickens can be fantastic and realistic at once. :)
 
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Alright, hopefully this book club idea is something that will take off. I hope it will work and be around for a while. And, I hope all will go well with you. God bless you, and thank you for your comments tonight. I love meeting fellow Dickens enthusiasts. I'm kind of a fan (in case you can't tell, lol). I liked all the things you had to say, it is kind of strange how Dickens can be fantastic and realistic at once. :)
OH...I didn't notice you were a Dickens fan! lol Cool thread.