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GuidanceGodsWay

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BeyondET said:
but of coarse the FE's have a multitude of different models, none add up to a hill of beans lol...
the account of firmament is on what the human mind can comprehend which only adds up to a hill of beans lol...
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It is OK, believe it or not there are many humans with lots of different thoughts out there (even of sphere Earth *gasps*). I was simply letting everyone know that what I present is where I am at in this point in time, and I'm allowed to refine my thoughts as I go along in my life just like you. Nothing to get worked over about in my opinion.
 
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GuidanceGodsWay

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BeyondET said:
while Newton and others have done good findings in their discoveries on Gravity, yet still have only scratched the surface on the complete physics of it. Its usages and purposes and still even today there is so much more to be discovered and learned on the subject, a mustard seed in comparison.
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Still just a theory, darn-it!

Tommy379 said:
Ever notice the sun is hotter when you are standing on top a ladder? It must be because I'm that much closer.
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Response to post #193 video

[video=youtube;v4z4c-ymG_4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4z4c-ymG_4[/video]

When did outer space get so lush?!?!!!
 
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GuidanceGodsWay

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posthuman said:
How does buoyancy explain how gravity is utterly unaffected by pressure or temperature variation?
In fact how does a buoyant force explain why gravity is still present in a vacuum?

If gravity is due to a buoyant force, why doesn't the shape of an object affect it? Why should it be completely dependent on mass?
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For starters DENSITY wasn't even mentioned in the above quote (conveniently left out?)
DENSITY and BUOYANCY are opposites. They need to be explained together.

"If gravity is due to a buoyant force" That should read... If gravity (the downward motion of an object) is due to DENSITY...... With this will you please restate your question?

Mass = There is only density of the object: Total density volume of the object, including it's electric field that surrounds it.


 
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BeyondET

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GuidanceGodsWay said:
It is OK, believe it or not there are many humans with lots of different thoughts out there (even of sphere Earth *gasps*). I was simply letting everyone know that what I present is where I am at in this point in time, and I'm allowed to refine my thoughts as I go along in my life just like you. Nothing to get worked over about in my opinion.
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yes indeed my friend it's quite ok, I agree there are more different thoughts on the subject out there than humans lol...

I completely agree about the refinement of thoughts, surely everyone can refine that it's allowed for sure :) and rightly so for we couldn't have a closer relationship with God without refining. God knows human limitations and understands for he alone created/designed us.
 
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AuntieAnt

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For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.Matthew 24:24

In the movie, “The Usual Suspects,” a meek and crippled con man named Verbal Kint is held for questioning about a massacre on a ship docked in Los Angeles. He tells the interrogator, David Kujan an elaborate story of a seemingly mythical crime lord, Keyser Söze, making up events as he goes along. The more questions asked him, the more convoluted his ruse becomes. We see mild-mannered Kint cunningly eyeing information from a bulletin board behind the investigator and using the bits of info to enhance his frightening tale of the ruthless murderer, Söze. And as Kint maneuvres Kujan through his labyrinth of fantastic lies, you see the investigator growing more and more perplexed.

Kint moves like a snake. He slowly but surely hypnotizes the interrogator and gets him to go exactly where he wants him. He acts just like the devil by craftily spinning lies mixed in with truth until the investigator is exasperated.

Toward the end of the film, we the viewers are shocked to realize that we have been duped as much as Investigator Kujan. For although we witness how Kint weaves his deceptive tale throughout the entire story, we are unaware until the very end that Kint himself is the actual brutal crime lord, “Keyser Söze.”

And yet we’re still not even sure Keyser Söze is his real name! We are left completely baffled and wondering how much was true and how much was false. Kint is finally released as the investigator is convinced he’s just a harmless cripple. Kint easily slips from the police station, walks down the street and suddenly loses his limp. He’s not a cripple after all!

Kint gets into a car with his crime partner and utters the last line of the movie:
“The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist. And like that... he is gone.” And the screen goes black.

The premise of this statement is that the devil is real and active in the world, corrupting people and causing them to turn away from God. He wants to take attention off himself and get people to focus on other things. He makes them skeptical about life, paranoid about one another, doubting the Sovereignty of God, doubting the supernatural and the devil's own existence. He gets people to believe their real enemy is each other.

This skepticism causes men and women to let down their guard and makes them more vulnerable to worldly temptations. Conspiracy theories keep people from trusting God. Rather than live a simple life of joy and liberty in Christ Jesus, skeptics focus on the worries and cares of this life.

The fact is, if you’re focused on figuring out what shape the earth is, the devil has you spellbound. The Lord tells us not to be anxious about anything and to trust he is in control. For the mind governed by the flesh (intellect) is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. The carnal (worldly) mind is not only an enemy to God, but enmity itself.

And if you’re not walking in the spirit, if your eyes are on this world, no matter if it's flat or round, you’re being duped by the devil.
 
posthuman

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GuidanceGodsWay said:
[video=youtube;v4z4c-ymG_4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4z4c-ymG_4[/video]
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awesome, you just proved Newtonian physics again.

compare the video of the objects being dropped in 1 atmosphere and in vacuum in the first video. same result as wadding up the plastic bag, negating most of the aerodynamic drag.
. . and on the moon, no atmosphere to introduce a drag force. the feather didn't need to be 'crumpled'
and did you notice it fell about 1/3 slower than in this video?
because, gravity. dependent on the mass of the moon vs the mass of the earth.
that's very strong evidence that that footage was impossible to fake on earth.

oh, were you meaning this to make some kind of point?
((other than defeating your own stance?))
 
posthuman

posthuman

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GuidanceGodsWay said:

For starters DENSITY wasn't even mentioned in the above quote (conveniently left out?)
DENSITY and BUOYANCY are opposites. They need to be explained together.

"If gravity is due to a buoyant force" That should read... If gravity (the downward motion of an object) is due to DENSITY...... With this will you please restate your question?

Mass = There is only density of the object: Total density volume of the object, including it's electric field that surrounds it.
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density = mass / volume.

unless you need to completely redefine what density is.
which proves that you are wrong -- that FE is the thing that needs to have all this additional explanations and complex re-definition of known science.

buoyancy is a force that is dependent on density, and acts opposite the force of gravity.
without gravity, you have nothing for buoyancy to act on.

density is not a force -- it's a scalar quantity. forces are vectors.
forces are of form ~ m*a where m is a mass being acted on and a is an acceleration happening to the mass.

density is not an acceleration. it doesn't even have a time component.

maybe we ought to start a whole lot simpler, i think. you want to completely redefine density, and pretend there is no such thing as mass -- so you've lost, already. FE then is already the theory that needs to completely re-write all of physics, not the (oblate due to rotational inertia) spherical reality.

but if you'd like to carry on, i think you need to start with the basics, because obviously you are not speaking the language of the rest of the world. you have new definitions for the words the rest of us use. so start there, OK? we'll listen.

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again, my condolences for your loss. ;)
 
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Yahweh_is_gracious

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tourist said:
I think that he is trying to explain the time-space continuum.
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Nah...just trying to get some answers from our knowledgeable FE believer about why all the physics and math I began learning in High School up through my first couple of years as an undergrad in college is all wrong. I'm curious whether or not I need to write a lengthy letter expressing my indignation about being lied to by "the establishment" and being taught all that just to brainwash me and to perpetuate the "sphere Earth lie".

I mean, if the mathematics that any High School senior learns that is adequate to move space probes through our solar system is wrong, and can be easily replaced by something learned from a kooky YouTube video or a thread on one of the lunatic fringe forums like godlikeproductions or AboveTopSecret, then I need to know. My whole knowledge paradigm is at stake!!!!!!
 
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BeyondET

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Yahweh_is_gracious said:
Nah...just trying to get some answers from our knowledgeable FE believer about why all the physics and math I began learning in High School up through my first couple of years as an undergrad in college is all wrong. I'm curious whether or not I need to write a lengthy letter expressing my indignation about being lied to by "the establishment" and being taught all that just to brainwash me and to perpetuate the "sphere Earth lie".

I mean, if the mathematics that any High School senior learns that is adequate to move space probes through our solar system is wrong, and can be easily replaced by something learned from a kooky YouTube video or a thread on one of the lunatic fringe forums like godlikeproductions or AboveTopSecret, then I need to know. My whole knowledge paradigm is at stake!!!!!!
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:) hey a blast from the past "lunatic fringe I know your out there lol.... I remember that song as a youngin.
 
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Originally Posted by tourist

Sorta like a big roll of toilet paper.



ahhhh but what came first the roll or the paper :p






I'M PRETTY SURE TACO BELL CAME FIRST
 
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Tintin

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#218
I've got it!

There's only one Flat Earther in the whole world and they're very prolific in their preaching.
 
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BeyondET

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p_rehbein said:
Originally Posted by tourist

Sorta like a big roll of toilet paper.



ahhhh but what came first the roll or the paper :p






I'M PRETTY SURE TACO BELL CAME FIRST
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that would explain the roll and paper purpose lol. :rolleyes:
 
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I have never quite understood why people like a flat earth model.

If all the planets we see in the sky are round, surely that would lead people to conclude
the earth is also round.

Take a simple issue. The angle of the sun as it rises and sets each day. Starting from
Kenya, the further north you go, the lower in the sky the sun gets each day.

Now if the earth was flat, unless the sun was actually very close to the earth this
would be impossible. As the sun is unbelievably hot and massive, this would not work
But I suppose you could construct a model that might fit. It would be interesting to
see its geometry.

Also the night sky changes throughout the year, because the dark side of the earth
faces in a different direction as the earth rotates around the sun during the year.

Now if you geometry is poor, and your sense of spacial awareness and model building
in your head, this might explain why this all sounds like made up stuff, but it actually
is not, it works.
 
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