The implications for Gentile Christians if brought into Jewish religious rites?

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1still_waters

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In this thread it was asserted that Gentiles are brought into Jewish religious rites.
Link --> http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/100311-what-did-jew-receive-first.html

I wanted to know what the implications of that are for Gentile Christians.
My questions don't fit the scope of that thread, so I'm posing them here for discussion.

What are the implications?

Question set 1.

Does this imply Gentiles ought to/should/are directed to/commanded/told to/you get the main idea, observe both a physical weekly Sabbath on Saturday, and the spiritual Sabbath realized/found in Jesus?

Does this imply Gentiles ought to/should/are directed to/commanded/told to/you get the main idea, observe both the physical feasts, and the spiritual feasts realized/found in Jesus?

Does this imply Gentiles ought to/should/are directed to/commanded/told to/you get the main idea, observe both the physical festivals, and the spiritual festivals realized/found in Jesus?

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Question set 2.

Do you believe the Bible teaches that Gentile Christians who don't observe a physical weekly Sabbath, and the Sabbath spiritually realized in Jesus are being disobedient to God?

Do you believe the Bible teaches that Gentile Christians who don't observe a the physical feasts, and the feasts spiritually realized in Jesus are being disobedient to God?

Do you believe the Bible teaches that Gentile Christians who don't observe a the physical festivals, and the festivals spiritually realized in Jesus are being disobedient to God?
 
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well, this brings it down to the nitty gritty, doesn't it?

great, well organized questions. is it okay to say no?

no to that interpretation of Eph 3 and no to each question.

though there certainly are things Christians should do in obedience to God,
it can be dangerous to turn our focus to what we must do
from what Christ has done.
 
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1still_waters said:
In this thread it was asserted that Gentiles are brought into Jewish religious rites.
Link --> http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/100311-what-did-jew-receive-first.html

I wanted to know what the implications of that are for Gentile Christians.
My questions don't fit the scope of that thread, so I'm posing them here for discussion.

What are the implications?

Question set 1.

Does this imply Gentiles ought to/should/are directed to/commanded/told to/you get the main idea, observe both a physical weekly Sabbath on Saturday, and the spiritual Sabbath realized/found in Jesus?

Does this imply Gentiles ought to/should/are directed to/commanded/told to/you get the main idea, observe both the physical feasts, and the spiritual feasts realized/found in Jesus?

Does this imply Gentiles ought to/should/are directed to/commanded/told to/you get the main idea, observe both the physical festivals, and the spiritual festivals realized/found in Jesus?

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Question set 2.

Do you believe the Bible teaches that Gentile Christians who don't observe a physical weekly Sabbath, and the Sabbath spiritually realized in Jesus are being disobedient to God?

Do you believe the Bible teaches that Gentile Christians who don't observe a the physical feasts, and the feasts spiritually realized in Jesus are being disobedient to God?

Do you believe the Bible teaches that Gentile Christians who don't observe a the physical festivals, and the festivals spiritually realized in Jesus are being disobedient to God?
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It's all spiritual.
Romans 7:14a For we know that the law is spiritual:

The thread mentioned wasn't implicating that. That implication was preconceived by another poster concerning a mystery defined in the Strong's concordance.

Mystery - 3466. musterion moos-tay'-ree-on from a derivative of muo (to shut the mouth); a secret or "mystery" (through the idea of silence imposed by initiation into religious rites):--mystery.
 
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I guess since they proved that circumcision isn't medically necessary than previously believed, the Judaizers have to come up with something else to convince the church to keep the law. If I were one, that's how I'd do it.:rolleyes:
 
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psychomom

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just-me said:
It's all spiritual.
Romans 7:14a For we know that the law is spiritual:

The thread mentioned wasn't implicating that. That implication was preconceived by another poster concerning a mystery defined in the Strong's concordance.

Mystery - 3466. musterion moos-tay'-ree-on from a derivative of muo (to shut the mouth); a secret or "mystery" (through the idea of silence imposed by initiation into religious rites):--mystery.
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would you like to tell us what you are trying to say?

with sincere apologies for misinterpreting you.
 
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1still_waters

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just-me said:
It's all spiritual.
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Just-me, since it's all spiritual, does that mean, in your understanding of scripture, that Christians shouldn't be considered disobedient if they don't observe the physical Sabbath days, the physical feasts, and the physical festivals?
 
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1still_waters

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psychomom said:
well, this brings it down to the nitty gritty, doesn't it?

great, well organized questions. is it okay to say no?

no to that interpretation of Eph 3 and no to each question.

though there certainly are things Christians should do in obedience to God,
it can be dangerous to turn our focus to what we must do
from what Christ has done.
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So is a Christian disobedient if they don't take the time to physically observe a feast or festival or Sabbath?
 
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1still_waters

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I know some may try to artfully dodge these questions by seizing on the words ought...should...obligated, even though they more than likely know full well the general point be asked,

Hence the reason for question set 2.

Do you believe the Bible teaches that Gentile Christians who don't observe a physical weekly Sabbath, and the Sabbath spiritually realized in Jesus are being disobedient to God?

Do you believe the Bible teaches that Gentile Christians who don't observe a the physical feasts, and the feasts spiritually realized in Jesus are being disobedient to God?

Do you believe the Bible teaches that Gentile Christians who don't observe a the physical festivals, and the festivals spiritually realized in Jesus are being disobedient to God?
 
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1stillwaters I have a question if one says yes will you in turn ban such person?

I hope you artfully don't dodge the question, with all due respect.
 
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1still_waters said:
I know some may try to artfully dodge these questions by seizing on the words ought...should...obligated, even though they more than likely know full well the general point be asked,

Hence the reason for question set 2.

Do you believe the Bible teaches that Gentile Christians who don't observe a physical weekly Sabbath, and
the Sabbath spiritually realized in Jesus are being disobedient to God?

Do you believe the Bible teaches that Gentile Christians who don't observe a the physical feasts, and the feasts spiritually realized in Jesus are being disobedient to God?

Do you believe the Bible teaches that Gentile Christians who don't observe a the physical festivals, and the festivals spiritually realized in Jesus are being disobedient to God?
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I'm not sure what is meant by observing the Sabbath spiritually realized in Jesus, as well as the feasts.

I observe the Sabbath realized in Jesus by resting from my works to earn God's favor which I have already received in justification, and by living in obedience, not to earn his favor which I already have, but to draw closer to him in love and knowledge of him.
 
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1still_waters

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Elin said:
I'm not sure what is meant by observing the Sabbath spiritually realized in Jesus, as well as the feasts.
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Some assert that there is a spiritual reality found in Jesus, but we also have to do the physical aspect and observe the feasts too.
 
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From post immediately previous to yours above:

I observe the Sabbath realized in Jesus by resting from my works to earn God's favor which I have already received in justification, and by living in obedience, not to earn his favor which I already have, but to draw closer to him in love and knowledge of him.
 
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psychomom

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1still_waters said:
Some assert that there is a spiritual reality found in Jesus, but we also have to do the physical aspect and observe the feasts too.
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but isn't it more than a spiritual reality?

i mean, Christ actually physically kept the Law perfectly in our place.

It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.
(Gal 5:1, also what comes before and after...)

 
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psychomom said:
but isn't it more than a spiritual reality?

i mean, Christ actually physically kept the Law perfectly in our place.

It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.
(Gal 5:1, also what comes before and after...)
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Yeah He did.

For example, the passover is realized in Jesus because he's our passover lamb. Some would say we still need to do the physical passover event though.
 
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psychomom said:
but isn't it more than a spiritual reality?

i mean, Christ actually physically kept the Law perfectly in our place.

It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.
(Gal 5:1, also what comes before and after...)
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As those born of Adam particpate in the sin of Adam (Ro 5:18),

so those born of/in Christ participate in the obedience of Christ to the Law.
 
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1still_waters said:
Yeah He did.

For example, the passover is realized in Jesus because he's our passover lamb. Some would say we still need to do the physical passover event though.
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Or in other words.
Some would say the Bible says a Christian walks in disobedience if they don't do the physical passover ceremony and such.
 
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1still_waters said:
Or in other words.
Some would say the Bible says
a Christian walks in disobedience if they don't do the physical passover ceremony and such.
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That's not found anywhere in the NT.
 
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psychomom

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1still_waters said:
Yeah He did.

For example, the passover is realized in Jesus because he's our passover lamb. Some would say we still need to do the physical passover event though.
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we may do that...but we are given r-e-s-t in Christ.
 
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