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John Chap. 2
Worth noting the amount... To get them drunk? Certainly not! (Joh 2:6 Six stone water jars were there.)
Hypocrisy has led some people to "believe" the wine was added WATER to reduce the alcohol power but John´s records clearly says it was wine (... men have well drunk,G3184. From Strong´Hebrew).
Worth noting the amount... To get them drunk? Certainly not! (Joh 2:6 Six stone water jars were there.)
Hypocrisy has led some people to "believe" the wine was added WATER to reduce the alcohol power but John´s records clearly says it was wine (... men have well drunk,G3184. From Strong´Hebrew).
The guest of the wedding feast were probably too wasted to issue a coherent statement afterwards. Obviously, the bride and groom had something else all together on their minds and could not be found. I believe that a brother of Jesus may have gotten more that just a little tipsy but I may need to do some additional study on this. I do know that he had a bad headache in the morning but felt much better after a breakfast of a tiny loaf of bread and a couple of small fish. Oh yeah, a refreshing glass of ice cold Florida OJ as well. There may have been a splash of vodka in it to take the edge off. Again, I can only surmise and would not say that this is a statement of fact but take it as a reasonable assumption.
I am not a drinking man but this thread may drive me to drink.
I am not a drinking man but this thread may drive me to drink.
to me the issue is incredibly clear.
either you abuse alcohol, or you don't. is it an idol?
alcohol, like anything else can become an idol, an unhealthy coping mechanism designed to replace God in one's life. while i've never had an issue with alcohol, i've seen in my own life that i can turn almost anything into an idol that can be abused and substituted for God.
i think it's too easy for us to just accept that we can avoid the obvious things and miss the whole point of what is behind so much of the warnings of alcohol, or materialism, or almost anything that can interfere with our communication and communion with God.
things that we associate with a godly life can be made into idols. ordinary things can become idols. i've seen people make their boyfriend, wife, work, food, exercise, and so much more idols.
to me, alcohol is something to be regarded in cautious moderation, understanding it's potential for becoming a crutch if you're looking for such a thing.
either you abuse alcohol, or you don't. is it an idol?
alcohol, like anything else can become an idol, an unhealthy coping mechanism designed to replace God in one's life. while i've never had an issue with alcohol, i've seen in my own life that i can turn almost anything into an idol that can be abused and substituted for God.
i think it's too easy for us to just accept that we can avoid the obvious things and miss the whole point of what is behind so much of the warnings of alcohol, or materialism, or almost anything that can interfere with our communication and communion with God.
things that we associate with a godly life can be made into idols. ordinary things can become idols. i've seen people make their boyfriend, wife, work, food, exercise, and so much more idols.
to me, alcohol is something to be regarded in cautious moderation, understanding it's potential for becoming a crutch if you're looking for such a thing.
Well said! Now, knowing the direction the church is going in the last days(liberalism, apostasy), & how in the US more & more christians are drinking alcohol, abusing perscription medicine, etc, etc., Should the instructions to the church change with the times? (I can't belive as a staunch conservative I just said that). It seems as christians MAKE something sinful thru the abuse of it that the sin itself needs to be addressed like all the other sins. Sin is sin. And so true, sin is what we make of it. I'm glad you brought that up, Grace-Like-Rain
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I've never actually seen someone use alcohol for medicinal purposes though everyone of them assured me they were not alcoholics (as they kept drinking).
I have seen quite a number of them; however, get taken over by alcohol and watch their lives disintegrate over time. For most, like porn, it took many years of abuse to reach that point. Some, not so long.
People that partied all through high school and college and remained functional alcoholics at work (though unaware that's what they were) finally bottomed out in mid life losing it all. Most kept drinking which makes sense as they are alcoholics. Interestingly, few seemed aware they were even then as they continued to deteriorate from poisoning their lives with alcohol.
Eventually, most reached the black out alcoholic stage. These ones are dangerous. I've seen them start drinking in a bar like any normal person and the next morning they ended up in their car in another town with blood all over them none of which was their own and absolutely no recollection of what happened. Of course, they simply went to the nearest liquor store to get a bottle and continue drinking... for medicinal purposes, of course.
I have seen quite a number of them; however, get taken over by alcohol and watch their lives disintegrate over time. For most, like porn, it took many years of abuse to reach that point. Some, not so long.
People that partied all through high school and college and remained functional alcoholics at work (though unaware that's what they were) finally bottomed out in mid life losing it all. Most kept drinking which makes sense as they are alcoholics. Interestingly, few seemed aware they were even then as they continued to deteriorate from poisoning their lives with alcohol.
Eventually, most reached the black out alcoholic stage. These ones are dangerous. I've seen them start drinking in a bar like any normal person and the next morning they ended up in their car in another town with blood all over them none of which was their own and absolutely no recollection of what happened. Of course, they simply went to the nearest liquor store to get a bottle and continue drinking... for medicinal purposes, of course.
Sooo lemme git 'dis strait......iiiiiiif a particular thing eeeeeeeasily becomes an idol in the hearts of the majority of people, weeze 'sposed to stays away from it? Iiiiiif the groups of da same people that duz dis gather all in one place to worship this idol, weeze 'sposed to stay away from dem too, riiiite? I'ze don'ts thinks we should runnaround wit idol worshippers..... it jus mite rub'off on us....dat's wut I'ze thinks.
o.k , so using that logic, no one should go to a sporting event, folks worship sports teams, watch t.v., folks worship entertainment, go to a store or mall, folks worship money. see, certain denominations, yours being one mr. Stephen, demonize anyone who has the occasional drink as a hell-bound sinner which the Bible does not do. do not make up rules which are not in there. if you think it is wrong, God bless you and more power to you. you have that right. just do not say it is a sin, the Word does not.
This debate seems a bit one-sided. The Holy Spirit has not sat down at my table and offered me any alcohol yet, but I'll let y'all know when it happens. I haven't seen to many people who are focused on dying-to-self simultaneously defending and demanding their access to booze.
Sorry if I've stepped on your shoe, but if it still fits, keep wearing it.
Oooops, didn't see that note sneak in there, Ugly
Sorry if I've stepped on your shoe, but if it still fits, keep wearing it.
Oooops, didn't see that note sneak in there, Ugly