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you ignored or didnt notice my posts to you....
but quick character witness for "depleted"
(lynn)
she is a lovely woman with a soft heart
she has proven it to me many times
you are acting like she is too judgemental
but judging her in the process...
being easily offended is just as bad as being offensive
how about we all go back to the issue the OP is addressing
is performing or choosing to recieve transgender surgery a sin......
i feel like my posts covered this pretty well
(with scripture)
but quick character witness for "depleted"
(lynn)
she is a lovely woman with a soft heart
she has proven it to me many times
you are acting like she is too judgemental
but judging her in the process...
being easily offended is just as bad as being offensive
how about we all go back to the issue the OP is addressing
is performing or choosing to recieve transgender surgery a sin......
i feel like my posts covered this pretty well
(with scripture)
N
huh?
this sounds like a bunch of emotion based on your opinions of a few individuals.....
anyways
i agree that many on this site often choose react to debates in a fleshly manner and not in a way according to the spirit...
but its often also the opposite
just because someone says something you dont like or agree with
doesnt make them "intolerant"
and being intolerant of some things is actually good
for instance
i will not allow harm to be done to children if i can physically stop it
if some random man tried to abuse a child in front of me
and i stop him
am i intolerant?
They may FEEL happier as the opposite gender, but the fact remains, they CANNOT TRULY change their gender. If they were born female, they will die female. If they were born male, they will die male. IMO, more transgenders get murdered for changing their gender, than they do from suicide. I speak from personal experience on that one.
I live right next to one actually, I don't agree with the persons choice but I don't judge him for it or her I have never really known what to call this person. I mean he identifies as a female but the issue is you can get all the surgery you want but you see the x and y chromosomes are what decides if ones is male of female and you can't change that it's in your dna
Originally Posted by NoNameMcgee
if some random man tried to abuse a child in front of me
and i stop him
am i intolerant?
NoName McGee: That is an argument from false equivalency. You are not seeing that some of the comments are very intolerant, downright hateful even .... or you are choosing to ignore things like:
1) Praying to God an earthquake hits California
2) The man who immolated himself ... a whole thread on that ... just a way to disparage ALL gay people and paint them in a negative light. The man was ill, mentally ill, most probably and he committed suicide in a most horrific painful way. Yet not one comment said "Oh that is awful. I feel bad for him". No. Just 6 pages of hatred. That is not Christianity.
If you believe it is a sin and that all sin is the same, then why that thread? Why is there never a thread on the awful divorced Christians who remarry?
No, what is happening on this site is that we are "otherising" people. Historically: we did it to the Jews, we did it to the blacks, we go all the way back and Christians used their Bibles to justify having slaves, then discrimination laws that made them little more than slaves. It was wrong then and it is wrong now.
Jesus: "Love thy neighbour as thyself" ... I am pretty sure he meant ALL of your neighbours regardless of colour, religion, lack of religion, etc. Yet the hatred of those whose sexuality is "different", of Muslims, and others I will not mention ... goes on and we make excuses.
Yes, they may be fine people, but when they are saying nasty things, it is un-Christ like.
if some random man tried to abuse a child in front of me
and i stop him
am i intolerant?
NoName McGee: That is an argument from false equivalency. You are not seeing that some of the comments are very intolerant, downright hateful even .... or you are choosing to ignore things like:
1) Praying to God an earthquake hits California
2) The man who immolated himself ... a whole thread on that ... just a way to disparage ALL gay people and paint them in a negative light. The man was ill, mentally ill, most probably and he committed suicide in a most horrific painful way. Yet not one comment said "Oh that is awful. I feel bad for him". No. Just 6 pages of hatred. That is not Christianity.
If you believe it is a sin and that all sin is the same, then why that thread? Why is there never a thread on the awful divorced Christians who remarry?
No, what is happening on this site is that we are "otherising" people. Historically: we did it to the Jews, we did it to the blacks, we go all the way back and Christians used their Bibles to justify having slaves, then discrimination laws that made them little more than slaves. It was wrong then and it is wrong now.
Jesus: "Love thy neighbour as thyself" ... I am pretty sure he meant ALL of your neighbours regardless of colour, religion, lack of religion, etc. Yet the hatred of those whose sexuality is "different", of Muslims, and others I will not mention ... goes on and we make excuses.
Yes, they may be fine people, but when they are saying nasty things, it is un-Christ like.
N
Originally Posted by NoNameMcgee
if some random man tried to abuse a child in front of me
and i stop him
am i intolerant?
NoName McGee: That is an argument from false equivalency. You are not seeing that some of the comments are very intolerant, downright hateful even .... or you are choosing to ignore things like:
1) Praying to God an earthquake hits California
2) The man who immolated himself ... a whole thread on that ... just a way to disparage ALL gay people and paint them in a negative light. The man was ill, mentally ill, most probably and he committed suicide in a most horrific painful way. Yet not one comment said "Oh that is awful. I feel bad for him". No. Just 6 pages of hatred. That is not Christianity.
If you believe it is a sin and that all sin is the same, then why that thread? Why is there never a thread on the awful divorced Christians who remarry?
No, what is happening on this site is that we are "otherising" people. Historically: we did it to the Jews, we did it to the blacks, we go all the way back and Christians used their Bibles to justify having slaves, then discrimination laws that made them little more than slaves. It was wrong then and it is wrong now.
Jesus: "Love thy neighbour as thyself" ... I am pretty sure he meant ALL of your neighbours regardless of colour, religion, lack of religion, etc. Yet the hatred of those whose sexuality is "different", of Muslims, and others I will not mention ... goes on and we make excuses.
Yes, they may be fine people, but when they are saying nasty things, it is un-Christ like.
if some random man tried to abuse a child in front of me
and i stop him
am i intolerant?
NoName McGee: That is an argument from false equivalency. You are not seeing that some of the comments are very intolerant, downright hateful even .... or you are choosing to ignore things like:
1) Praying to God an earthquake hits California
2) The man who immolated himself ... a whole thread on that ... just a way to disparage ALL gay people and paint them in a negative light. The man was ill, mentally ill, most probably and he committed suicide in a most horrific painful way. Yet not one comment said "Oh that is awful. I feel bad for him". No. Just 6 pages of hatred. That is not Christianity.
If you believe it is a sin and that all sin is the same, then why that thread? Why is there never a thread on the awful divorced Christians who remarry?
No, what is happening on this site is that we are "otherising" people. Historically: we did it to the Jews, we did it to the blacks, we go all the way back and Christians used their Bibles to justify having slaves, then discrimination laws that made them little more than slaves. It was wrong then and it is wrong now.
Jesus: "Love thy neighbour as thyself" ... I am pretty sure he meant ALL of your neighbours regardless of colour, religion, lack of religion, etc. Yet the hatred of those whose sexuality is "different", of Muslims, and others I will not mention ... goes on and we make excuses.
Yes, they may be fine people, but when they are saying nasty things, it is un-Christ like.
youre wrong
i agreed many on the site act in a fleshly way
(but you chose to delete a large part of what i said)
you however are conflating what some people say with everyone
you are new to the site
so i guess i understand having a limited understanding in regards to how many brothers and sisters in Christ here will speak according to the spirit much more often than not
secondly
i havent read every single post like the silly ones you mention out of context
who would HONESTLY pray for an earthquake on a city?
you ought to pray for Gods will to be done on a city
if thats an earthquake who are we to judge?
but to ask for that seems ridiculous
like maybe it was an off hand remark after someone was baited
or said by someone currently acting according to the flesh
as for speaking against people who choose to feed their lusts to the point of being a practicing homosexual
ehhh
well hate the sin
not the sinner
but the "gay pride" agenda is a horrible cancer that uses one sin to push another
filled with shame tactics
and lies to manipulate those who speak against this movement
i have yet to see you say anything Christ like
so whats your standard?
mine is love
ive seen this from lynn if thats who youre accusing
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So it's all about joy, and what makes you feel happy in the moment? Scripture says it's NOT about enjoying the pleasures of sin for a season. The OPPOSITE of what you are preaching.
Hebrews 11:24-26 King James Version (KJV)
24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.
You are also 'attacking' us by your own definition. Erecting HUGE strawmen by saying we are "vicious" and also either do, or endorse, screaming in women's face about abortion.
People here have repeatedly said that although transgenderism, homosexuality, abortion, etc.. are sins, that those that engage in, or are thinking of engaging in, MUST be loved, WITHOUT compromising that they are in fact sin that should be repented of.. So STOP slandering us please.
Hebrews 11:24-26 King James Version (KJV)
24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.
You are also 'attacking' us by your own definition. Erecting HUGE strawmen by saying we are "vicious" and also either do, or endorse, screaming in women's face about abortion.
People here have repeatedly said that although transgenderism, homosexuality, abortion, etc.. are sins, that those that engage in, or are thinking of engaging in, MUST be loved, WITHOUT compromising that they are in fact sin that should be repented of.. So STOP slandering us please.
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Still don't think you were homosexual. Abused, definitely, but not homosexual.
The following words are going to sound dated, possibly even silly, but they were the words I thought when I was in my early 20s (back in the 70s), so I am dated anyway.
I was raised Catholic, so have the Ten Commandments (Catholic style) memorized like most people memorize the alphabet. And, at that time, the only one I was sure I never did was #6. (Again, Catholic style, so that's the "adultery" commandment.) And then I was raped. To me, I broke the 6th commandment. I was a floozie, a tramp, a whore. I honestly considered myself all those things.
But, years later, someone finally got me straight. I did not commit adultery. I was raped. I did not instantly become a floozie, a tramp or a whore. I was raped. I was used for someone else's pleasure (and anger, and loathing of self and everyone else around them), and then discarded like a dirty tissue. That is not sex. That is not love. That is not choice.
I think you got the same raw deal but from people of your own gender. It may have turned you on your ear to think you were homosexual, but I don't think you were. That choice was taken from you.
So, I'm not a floozie and you're not a homosexual. Deal?
The following words are going to sound dated, possibly even silly, but they were the words I thought when I was in my early 20s (back in the 70s), so I am dated anyway.
I was raised Catholic, so have the Ten Commandments (Catholic style) memorized like most people memorize the alphabet. And, at that time, the only one I was sure I never did was #6. (Again, Catholic style, so that's the "adultery" commandment.) And then I was raped. To me, I broke the 6th commandment. I was a floozie, a tramp, a whore. I honestly considered myself all those things.
But, years later, someone finally got me straight. I did not commit adultery. I was raped. I did not instantly become a floozie, a tramp or a whore. I was raped. I was used for someone else's pleasure (and anger, and loathing of self and everyone else around them), and then discarded like a dirty tissue. That is not sex. That is not love. That is not choice.
I think you got the same raw deal but from people of your own gender. It may have turned you on your ear to think you were homosexual, but I don't think you were. That choice was taken from you.
So, I'm not a floozie and you're not a homosexual. Deal?
M
If a person says God send an earthquake to California. Yes that’s not loving or Godly
or Christian.
We are however called to show discernment and wisdom.
If a person posts something which is blantently against God’s word, then it would be
shocking if nothing was said anything and everyone agreed with them don’t you think.
Jesus revealed sin, then brought people to himself. Look at the woman of Samaria
she had many husbands. Jesus didn’t say, there there it’s all ok really.
He brought the sin out into the open and showed her true salvation and love
instead of the false love of her many lovers.
So what are we to do? Say there there go do what you want to yourself it’s all
right? Or do we say, you know that wrongs don’t you, now instead of looking
for wholeness or freedom by mutilating yourself, let’s show you the freedom
found in Christ.
That only works though if people are convicted at some point. Suppose the
woman of Samaria said to Jesus “ it’s none of your business if I
have many lovers, who are you to tell me this is wrong when it feels right to
me”. Do you think she would have been saved.
Conviction leads to repentance and salvation . Acceptance does not.
I do agree that some things are said a bit harshly, in part though it can come
across like that because we can’t see each other’s expressions body language or
hear their tone of voice.
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Grab a piece of paper and pen/pencil, and tick off every response you got before you came back to "all I got was eww." How many really were "eww?" (Ladybug ewwed, more than once.) How many were not? You dismissed all the were-nots, or you lied. Your choice on which you rather call it.
Oh, do understand. I don't even think you hit sympathetic, so I'm really not assuming you are. The word "sympathetic" was your word, so I used it.
Sympathetic people think enough about someone to understand what they're going through. Empathetic people dig in deeper to try and understand. Nothing in anything you've said leads me to believe you're sympathetic, and quite obvious you're not empathetic at all. Too deep diving into the glory within your self to take the time to even consider what anyone else is doing. And, after this many pages, I can tell that about you with the transgender issue or anything at all. Mostly you talk about how good you are and how less everyone else is.
But the reality is you talk from absolutely no understanding whatsoever. Not only do you know no one like this, you've never bothered to find out anything about it. Just off the top of your head, and why? To show off how "sympathetic" you are, and mean I am for calling you "bad."
(BTW, if you weren't so full of yourself, you could have actually gone for the real noun I did call you rather than the vague adjective. lol)
Why yes, I do judge much. Thank you for noticing.
1 Cor. 5:12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13 God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”
through 1 Cor. 6:1 [FONT="]When one of you has a grievance against another, does he dare go to law before the unrighteous instead of the saints?[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]2 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases?[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]3 Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life![/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]4 So if you have such cases, why do you lay them before those who have no standing in the church?[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]5 I say this to your shame. Can it be that there is no one among you wise enough to settle a dispute between the brothers,[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]6 but brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers?[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]7 To have lawsuits at all with one another is already a defeat for you. Why not rather suffer wrong? Why not rather be defrauded?[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]8 But you yourselves wrong and defraud—even your own brothers![/FONT]
If you, supposedly a member of The Church, is this clueless about this, exactly why am I not supposed to speak up against you? Scripture speaks against what you think. If you gave one iota of compassion or sympathy you would have put in the effort to seek out the truth of those poor souls who languish in the worldly wisdom that talked them into mutilating their bodies that badly.
But nope, you're still expecting God to agree with you. God disagrees with mutilation of his creation. He highly disagrees with doctors so willing to foot their bill for their lifestyle choices that they have no qualms to do that to another human being. And he aches for what sin has reduced sad people into doing. Who will tell them what horror they're putting themselves into, if you'd rather sit back and do anything at all rather than learn of the horrors of transgenderism? We're supposed to be a light. Instead you are praising the darkness.
You betcha. I'm judging you!
Oh, do understand. I don't even think you hit sympathetic, so I'm really not assuming you are. The word "sympathetic" was your word, so I used it.
Sympathetic people think enough about someone to understand what they're going through. Empathetic people dig in deeper to try and understand. Nothing in anything you've said leads me to believe you're sympathetic, and quite obvious you're not empathetic at all. Too deep diving into the glory within your self to take the time to even consider what anyone else is doing. And, after this many pages, I can tell that about you with the transgender issue or anything at all. Mostly you talk about how good you are and how less everyone else is.
But the reality is you talk from absolutely no understanding whatsoever. Not only do you know no one like this, you've never bothered to find out anything about it. Just off the top of your head, and why? To show off how "sympathetic" you are, and mean I am for calling you "bad."
(BTW, if you weren't so full of yourself, you could have actually gone for the real noun I did call you rather than the vague adjective. lol)
Why yes, I do judge much. Thank you for noticing.
1 Cor. 5:12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13 God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”
through 1 Cor. 6:1 [FONT="]When one of you has a grievance against another, does he dare go to law before the unrighteous instead of the saints?[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]2 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases?[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]3 Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life![/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]4 So if you have such cases, why do you lay them before those who have no standing in the church?[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]5 I say this to your shame. Can it be that there is no one among you wise enough to settle a dispute between the brothers,[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]6 but brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers?[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]7 To have lawsuits at all with one another is already a defeat for you. Why not rather suffer wrong? Why not rather be defrauded?[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]8 But you yourselves wrong and defraud—even your own brothers![/FONT]
If you, supposedly a member of The Church, is this clueless about this, exactly why am I not supposed to speak up against you? Scripture speaks against what you think. If you gave one iota of compassion or sympathy you would have put in the effort to seek out the truth of those poor souls who languish in the worldly wisdom that talked them into mutilating their bodies that badly.
But nope, you're still expecting God to agree with you. God disagrees with mutilation of his creation. He highly disagrees with doctors so willing to foot their bill for their lifestyle choices that they have no qualms to do that to another human being. And he aches for what sin has reduced sad people into doing. Who will tell them what horror they're putting themselves into, if you'd rather sit back and do anything at all rather than learn of the horrors of transgenderism? We're supposed to be a light. Instead you are praising the darkness.
You betcha. I'm judging you!