Turning cap gun into bb gun question

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missy2014

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Ok the first video is how to do it (turn a cap gun into a bb gun) I've done that and the second video is of someone who's done that but failed and didnt have any successs. My question is how do you fire the oiled BB pellets so they fire properly with a normal range in other words they are like in the second video just not firing very far or dropping on the ground below like maybe a half a yard/ 1 metre but my target is like 4-5 metres away?

I tried the two techniques which is use the caps and put the pellets/ bullets in or stuff bit of tissue paper in with the pellets to work you have to have the caps in the capgun everytime as this is enough force to fire them but yeh ... unfortunately its not happening.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br5sAe44wPU











second video doesnt exist anymore on youtube just found out*
 
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missy2014

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Would it help to oil the inside of the gun where the pellets go? I dont know . Motor oil?
 

blue_ladybug

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why do you need a bb gun? you gonna shoot some squirrels or somethin'? :eek:
 
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inthewind

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Ok the first video is how to do it (turn a cap gun into a bb gun) I've done that and the second video is of someone who's done that but failed and didnt have any successs. My question is how do you fire the oiled BB pellets so they fire properly with a normal range in other words they are like in the second video just not firing very far or dropping on the ground below like maybe a half a yard/ 1 metre but my target is like 4-5 metres away?

I tried the two techniques which is use the caps and put the pellets/ bullets in or stuff bit of tissue paper in with the pellets to work you have to have the caps in the capgun everytime as this is enough force to fire them but yeh ... unfortunately its not happening.
I have an identical 6 shooter bought for just over a buck at the dollar store, to be used for insulting bears that wander onto my property. Never thought of using it to assault bears but might give it a try but if I do when spring comes and the bears go on the move and you don't see me on this site after that you might begin to suspect what happened.

Now I was wondering what you mean when you use the term pellet. Pellets and bbs are two different types of ammunition. I think the video recommends 6 mm bbs so you might want to make sure you are using the right size of ammunition.

If your into making your own armament you might want to try this....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDEO8bkfd2o
 

p_rehbein

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Ok the first video is how to do it (turn a cap gun into a bb gun) I've done that and the second video is of someone who's done that but failed and didnt have any successs. My question is how do you fire the oiled BB pellets so they fire properly with a normal range in other words they are like in the second video just not firing very far or dropping on the ground below like maybe a half a yard/ 1 metre but my target is like 4-5 metres away?

I tried the two techniques which is use the caps and put the pellets/ bullets in or stuff bit of tissue paper in with the pellets to work you have to have the caps in the capgun everytime as this is enough force to fire them but yeh ... unfortunately its not happening.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br5sAe44wPU











second video doesnt exist anymore on youtube just found out*
This works pretty well for me........

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missy2014

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why do you need a bb gun? you gonna shoot some squirrels or somethin'? :eek:
I dont shoot at people just for target practice unles the people ae annoying me and acting bear like'
 

posthuman

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it's not very clear in the first video how far away he is firing from. it may only be less than 2 meters - it's certainly not 4 or 5. the first BB he fired at the paper target didn't even penetrate the paper -- i am not sure he is having as much "success" as you think he is.

there are a couple problems -- the caps are probably not very uniform in charge, so you won't get a predictable amount of force propelling each projectile. the BB's he had also varied in diameter a lot, as you can see by some of them fitting snug and others not. too snug, and the force from the cap has to work against friction just to get the BB into the barrel, and too loose, and the force of the cap will blow around the side of the BB, so again the variability in your range is large. also if you use tissue paper like he did to make up for a small diameter BB, the force from the cap is going to be unevenly distributed, so the projectile is unlikely to be able to be aimed effectively and will have a greatly reduced range compared to a snug-fitting BB as a lot of the force will be expelling the tissue instead of the BB. the tissue will cause a lot more friction too, slowing down the BB. i wouldn't do that - just don't use small BB's.

i would assume that the capgun is also not manufactured well, so that the barrel s not very straight and/or has nicks inside it. this is going to make you inaccurate and add variability too. another problem is the gap between the barrel and the chamber - a lot of force will escape to the air when the BB passes through that, and not in a uniform way - which will slow down the projectile and do it unevenly, introducing spin. spin is good when it's controlled (by rifling the barrel) but not good when it's semi-random. if you can fiddle with the actual gun to snug up the chamber to the barrel it may help.

honestly any $20 actual BB gun is probably going to be more accurate and have better range. . . from the vid either he's a very poor shot or the gun is wildly inconsistent. it's pretty hard to be a good shot with a bad gun. i'm going with wildly inaccurate gun, because i don't think he's very far from the target at all. it probably wouldn't even hurt to get shot with that from more than 2 meters away. don't go pointing it at anyone regardless!

you might try some WD-40 on the BB's - i wouldn't use motor oil; it's relatively heavy. and you might try taking apart some of the caps and doubling up the charge to get more range. still, i doubt that thing is going to be very accurate at all, and probably the #1 problem is getting BB's that are uniform size, #2 is the pistol itself, chamber and barrel, just not being very straight and true.
 
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missy2014

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Great such an enclopedia you are. That was helpful.
 
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missy2014

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it's not very clear in the first video how far away he is firing from. it may only be less than 2 meters - it's certainly not 4 or 5. the first BB he fired at the paper target didn't even penetrate the paper -- i am not sure he is having as much "success" as you think he is.

there are a couple problems -- the caps are probably not very uniform in charge, so you won't get a predictable amount of force propelling each projectile. the BB's he had also varied in diameter a lot, as you can see by some of them fitting snug and others not. too snug, and the force from the cap has to work against friction just to get the BB into the barrel, and too loose, and the force of the cap will blow around the side of the BB, so again the variability in your range is large. also if you use tissue paper like he did to make up for a small diameter BB, the force from the cap is going to be unevenly distributed, so the projectile is unlikely to be able to be aimed effectively and will have a greatly reduced range compared to a snug-fitting BB as a lot of the force will be expelling the tissue instead of the BB. the tissue will cause a lot more friction too, slowing down the BB. i wouldn't do that - just don't use small BB's.

i would assume that the capgun is also not manufactured well, so that the barrel s not very straight and/or has nicks inside it. this is going to make you inaccurate and add variability too. another problem is the gap between the barrel and the chamber - a lot of force will escape to the air when the BB passes through that, and not in a uniform way - which will slow down the projectile and do it unevenly, introducing spin. spin is good when it's controlled (by rifling the barrel) but not good when it's semi-random. if you can fiddle with the actual gun to snug up the chamber to the barrel it may help.

honestly any $20 actual BB gun is probably going to be more accurate and have better range. . . from the vid either he's a very poor shot or the gun is wildly inconsistent. it's pretty hard to be a good shot with a bad gun. i'm going with wildly inaccurate gun, because i don't think he's very far from the target at all. it probably wouldn't even hurt to get shot with that from more than 2 meters away. don't go pointing it at anyone regardless!

you might try some WD-40 on the BB's - i wouldn't use motor oil; it's relatively heavy. and you might try taking apart some of the caps and doubling up the charge to get more range. still, i doubt that thing is going to be very accurate at all, and probably the #1 problem is getting BB's that are uniform size, #2 is the pistol itself, chamber and barrel, just not being very straight and true.
Yeh its not so much the gun that is inaccurate but his inconsistent knowledge /methods in other words he wasnt being honest . PERSONALLY I suspect hes got I think you call those style of guns 'revolvers' I may be wrong but I reckon his bought an airsoft revolver pistol and making a youtube video for attention seeking .* sorry didnt read properly what you said yeh the gun's inccurate
 
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missy2014

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Decisions , decisons, do I buy a airsoft pistol or do I buy a telescope this week (I bought a faulty telescope today)?
 
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missy2014

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it's not very clear in the first video how far away he is firing from. it may only be less than 2 meters - it's certainly not 4 or 5. the first BB he fired at the paper target didn't even penetrate the paper -- i am not sure he is having as much "success" as you think he is.

there are a couple problems -- the caps are probably not very uniform in charge, so you won't get a predictable amount of force propelling each projectile. the BB's he had also varied in diameter a lot, as you can see by some of them fitting snug and others not. too snug, and the force from the cap has to work against friction just to get the BB into the barrel, and too loose, and the force of the cap will blow around the side of the BB, so again the variability in your range is large. also if you use tissue paper like he did to make up for a small diameter BB, the force from the cap is going to be unevenly distributed, so the projectile is unlikely to be able to be aimed effectively and will have a greatly reduced range compared to a snug-fitting BB as a lot of the force will be expelling the tissue instead of the BB. the tissue will cause a lot more friction too, slowing down the BB. i wouldn't do that - just don't use small BB's.

i would assume that the capgun is also not manufactured well, so that the barrel s not very straight and/or has nicks inside it. this is going to make you inaccurate and add variability too. another problem is the gap between the barrel and the chamber - a lot of force will escape to the air when the BB passes through that, and not in a uniform way - which will slow down the projectile and do it unevenly, introducing spin. spin is good when it's controlled (by rifling the barrel) but not good when it's semi-random. if you can fiddle with the actual gun to snug up the chamber to the barrel it may help.

honestly any $20 actual BB gun is probably going to be more accurate and have better range. . . from the vid either he's a very poor shot or the gun is wildly inconsistent. it's pretty hard to be a good shot with a bad gun. i'm going with wildly inaccurate gun, because i don't think he's very far from the target at all. it probably wouldn't even hurt to get shot with that from more than 2 meters away. don't go pointing it at anyone regardless!

you might try some WD-40 on the BB's - i wouldn't use motor oil; it's relatively heavy. and you might try taking apart some of the caps and doubling up the charge to get more range. still, i doubt that thing is going to be very accurate at all, and probably the #1 problem is getting BB's that are uniform size, #2 is the pistol itself, chamber and barrel, just not being very straight and true.
Yeh the thing is and probably aware of thsi is the $20 bb guns jam and backfire which isnt safe. Probably aim for a cheap bb gun/airsoft gun in the range of $70-90 nZD
 
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ServantStrike

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Yeh the thing is and probably aware of thsi is the $20 bb guns jam and backfire which isnt safe. Probably aim for a cheap bb gun/airsoft gun in the range of $70-90 nZD
Well plastic is usually a bad choice for a chamber with any kind of propellant in it, even a cap for a cap gun. Even pot metal would be better. But then you're into bb gun territory.

What about moving into air rifle territory. I you guys can have them without too much trouble. Way more fun and way more accurate. At least in US dollars you're in the same price range too, although I don't know about in NZ.
 
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missy2014

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This is the BB gun I got for $45 NZD $30 US?
and while it does the job because it is mostly metal I went for this cheaper gun because of that (fires properly) and im pleased but im not a good shot from 5-6 metres mostly lying down my best 2 shots were about an inch and a half away from the bullseye out of 20 -30 shots I may have to look into getting a cheap laser or somethin.

I recommend this gun if you dont want the fancy shamcy features but one that does the job and for cheap.

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missy2014

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* forgot to convert 5-6 m
= 5.4 yards - 6.5 yards
 
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have you tried a mixture of sulfur, charcoal, and potassium nitrate (saltpeter) in place of the cap's powder? Careful not to injure yourself.
 
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missy2014

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no thanks im fine i bought a bb gun . sounds a scary mixture