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And where do those moral standards come from? Are they absolute? What if I dont think its morally wrong to murder or rape? Who sets the standard?
If you dont see homosexuality as wrong then you are entitled to that opinion. But if you're asking why God thinks its wrong people here are giving you an answer. If there is no God then it doesn't matter how you live,but if there is and He says homosexuality is wrong and is sin,then we are back to choice between life and death.
If you dont see homosexuality as wrong then you are entitled to that opinion. But if you're asking why God thinks its wrong people here are giving you an answer. If there is no God then it doesn't matter how you live,but if there is and He says homosexuality is wrong and is sin,then we are back to choice between life and death.
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This is just subjective morality. The issue here is it's impossible to follow. What is immoral to you may not be immoral to another. So who is right?
You may consider this an extreme example, but it's still completely valid. And with it being estimated that 1 in 25 Americans are sociopaths, it's actually not that extreme. But if a sociopath finds their behavior of demeaning others, or violence against others, as acceptable, going by their personal moral compass, who can argue with them?
At the end of the day you are still setting a list of rules of right and wrong.
If it's an issue of 'hurting' others, then what may hurt one may not hurt another.
You take a happily married couple, and one of them cheats, it would hurt their partner. If you have two miserably married people and one cheats the other may not even care. So is cheating right or wrong? Is the cheating ok with one, but not with the other?
Now morality comes down to each individual.
What about a girl who grows up abused by her father? Many times these girls grow into women who accept abuse because they feel that's all their worth. Or in some cases they feel it's what they deserve. Does an abusive person do wrong by abusing that girl?
That's the issue with subjective morality. It is a constantly moving and flowing sea with no real borders or boundaries. And over time it allows the acceptance of previously unaccepted behaviors that were once deemed harmful. Homosexuality is a valid example. It was once deemed an unhealthy and harmful practice. Now it is taught to young children. Due to that we now have 'gender fluid' issues. Now we are being taught to learn new terms to accept people of varying degrees of sexuality. What will be the next previously unhealthy morality issue to be pushed an accepted?
You can have moral ideas without the bible or God, but what value does that moral belief have if it constantly changes itself to accept what was once considered immoral? Are you truly standing on morality at that point? How far are you willing to accept previously immoral acts before you, subjectively, decide it's crossing a line?
And when that line is reached, might your 'rigid' morality not be hurtful to those seeking acceptance? Which then causes you to break your own morality.
If a man decides he should have the right to have consensual sex with a 13 year old and you 'morally' deny him that right, is that not 'hurting' that man by denying him his rights due to your morality?
You think of biblical morality as such a bad thing, but at least that morality is clearly defined and stands in one spot. Your subjective morality will eventually fail because you can never tell someone something is wrong at the risk of 'hurting' them.
You may consider this an extreme example, but it's still completely valid. And with it being estimated that 1 in 25 Americans are sociopaths, it's actually not that extreme. But if a sociopath finds their behavior of demeaning others, or violence against others, as acceptable, going by their personal moral compass, who can argue with them?
At the end of the day you are still setting a list of rules of right and wrong.
If it's an issue of 'hurting' others, then what may hurt one may not hurt another.
You take a happily married couple, and one of them cheats, it would hurt their partner. If you have two miserably married people and one cheats the other may not even care. So is cheating right or wrong? Is the cheating ok with one, but not with the other?
Now morality comes down to each individual.
What about a girl who grows up abused by her father? Many times these girls grow into women who accept abuse because they feel that's all their worth. Or in some cases they feel it's what they deserve. Does an abusive person do wrong by abusing that girl?
That's the issue with subjective morality. It is a constantly moving and flowing sea with no real borders or boundaries. And over time it allows the acceptance of previously unaccepted behaviors that were once deemed harmful. Homosexuality is a valid example. It was once deemed an unhealthy and harmful practice. Now it is taught to young children. Due to that we now have 'gender fluid' issues. Now we are being taught to learn new terms to accept people of varying degrees of sexuality. What will be the next previously unhealthy morality issue to be pushed an accepted?
You can have moral ideas without the bible or God, but what value does that moral belief have if it constantly changes itself to accept what was once considered immoral? Are you truly standing on morality at that point? How far are you willing to accept previously immoral acts before you, subjectively, decide it's crossing a line?
And when that line is reached, might your 'rigid' morality not be hurtful to those seeking acceptance? Which then causes you to break your own morality.
If a man decides he should have the right to have consensual sex with a 13 year old and you 'morally' deny him that right, is that not 'hurting' that man by denying him his rights due to your morality?
You think of biblical morality as such a bad thing, but at least that morality is clearly defined and stands in one spot. Your subjective morality will eventually fail because you can never tell someone something is wrong at the risk of 'hurting' them.
After reading through here I don't think we'll be using 'Mrs. Dash' any longer! 
As to the OP the practice of homosexuality is against the design of God. Even more, it shows the decline of a society. I expect that Sodom, Gomorrah and the other cities destroyed by YHWH had a political climate similar to the liberal agendas desire here in the US and what we also see abroad.
Yes, Romans 1 describes the decline of the culture and the ending result of the rampant practice of sodomy, and the applause they receive from one another for their practice. Read Genesis 19 and see how the sodomites were pushing their sin on others, and, even after being judged by God (and they had to know they were judged, they were blinded) they still sought to practice their abominable sins and force it upon others. Next came swift unrepentant and eternal justice.
As to the OP the practice of homosexuality is against the design of God. Even more, it shows the decline of a society. I expect that Sodom, Gomorrah and the other cities destroyed by YHWH had a political climate similar to the liberal agendas desire here in the US and what we also see abroad.
Yes, Romans 1 describes the decline of the culture and the ending result of the rampant practice of sodomy, and the applause they receive from one another for their practice. Read Genesis 19 and see how the sodomites were pushing their sin on others, and, even after being judged by God (and they had to know they were judged, they were blinded) they still sought to practice their abominable sins and force it upon others. Next came swift unrepentant and eternal justice.
I did not suggest you do not have a moral compass. I had read some of your previous posts and it is obvious you do. I agree with everything on your list except the last one.
I was curious as to how you maintain them. Like for example, with discipline, or emotional empathy, or intellect? You did not answer me on that.
I am also not implying that people who do not believe in God can not live lives that afford them contribution, happiness, or success.
I have seen non Christians, agnostics and atheists live wonderful lives.
I just think people in the above category's are not potentializing their skills or emotional and spiritual well being. And they are leaving a legacy with a minor "l". No positive eternal implications.
I also believe we all do wrong at some time or another, some of us at some times in our lives doing things that are horrific, and that needn't be mass murder, or killing a child, or sexual abuse or rape of a child, to name a trio that I think just about everyone from any persuasion what find unspeakable.
I think most of us would agree, no matter our belief, that when it comes to some things we have done to ourselves or other people, the guilt and the damage, that we need, or need and want, forgiveness.
It seems you have worked that out without God, maybe you have a contentment without Him. Obviously I can't speak for you. Speaking from my perspective, I don't see how that is achievable. From my POV, maybe in a cosmetic manner. Not deep down in our inner being. Not for me without God.
Regardless of all that, I think a world view is critical, and I am very much at peace and have a inner purpose knowing I am created by God, and not evolved by some evolutionary process from other life forms that came before me. I think it harms people in who think like that.
I was curious as to how you maintain them. Like for example, with discipline, or emotional empathy, or intellect? You did not answer me on that.
I am also not implying that people who do not believe in God can not live lives that afford them contribution, happiness, or success.
I have seen non Christians, agnostics and atheists live wonderful lives.
I just think people in the above category's are not potentializing their skills or emotional and spiritual well being. And they are leaving a legacy with a minor "l". No positive eternal implications.
I also believe we all do wrong at some time or another, some of us at some times in our lives doing things that are horrific, and that needn't be mass murder, or killing a child, or sexual abuse or rape of a child, to name a trio that I think just about everyone from any persuasion what find unspeakable.
I think most of us would agree, no matter our belief, that when it comes to some things we have done to ourselves or other people, the guilt and the damage, that we need, or need and want, forgiveness.
It seems you have worked that out without God, maybe you have a contentment without Him. Obviously I can't speak for you. Speaking from my perspective, I don't see how that is achievable. From my POV, maybe in a cosmetic manner. Not deep down in our inner being. Not for me without God.
Regardless of all that, I think a world view is critical, and I am very much at peace and have a inner purpose knowing I am created by God, and not evolved by some evolutionary process from other life forms that came before me. I think it harms people in who think like that.
I know you're banned, but just in case you're reading this and plotting your third return:
God has promised to make Himself known. That doesn't mean everyone will choose Him. Every knee will bow; some, unfortunately, too late. But God cares about everyone enough to make Himself known.
You are overlooking something important: God cares enough about you, personally, to make sure you know He's God; He has put you in the path of people speaking His truth to you. Over and over. He has been presented to you in straight-forward, unequivocal terms. You have all you need to choose.
So what is your real hang-up? If you wanted everyone to know He's God, you would seek Him to know Him yourself, accept His Son and spread the Gospel to those unknowing, confused people. But you've rejected Him time and time again. Don't act like you're just so indignant that people don't know about God if you're not willing to know Him yourself and to show them God. That ain't foolin anyone.
There's always been only two choices: God (life) or satan (death). Choose.
God has promised to make Himself known. That doesn't mean everyone will choose Him. Every knee will bow; some, unfortunately, too late. But God cares about everyone enough to make Himself known.
You are overlooking something important: God cares enough about you, personally, to make sure you know He's God; He has put you in the path of people speaking His truth to you. Over and over. He has been presented to you in straight-forward, unequivocal terms. You have all you need to choose.
So what is your real hang-up? If you wanted everyone to know He's God, you would seek Him to know Him yourself, accept His Son and spread the Gospel to those unknowing, confused people. But you've rejected Him time and time again. Don't act like you're just so indignant that people don't know about God if you're not willing to know Him yourself and to show them God. That ain't foolin anyone.
There's always been only two choices: God (life) or satan (death). Choose.
That's the thing you think I'm rejectinh but I'm not, you can't reject what you don't believe.
Belief is complex but you can't fake it, to me God is just an idea, he holds no real weight in my mind so I can't reject him. If someone asks to be my friend I can reject them because I've seen them and know 100% they've asked me to be their friend.
Belief is complex but you can't fake it, to me God is just an idea, he holds no real weight in my mind so I can't reject him. If someone asks to be my friend I can reject them because I've seen them and know 100% they've asked me to be their friend.
I'm not pushing my agenda, I'm really not, and as of recently I've hardly mentioned homosexuality nor have I tried to make anyone except it, I simply ask that Christians be less rude to homosexuals than they've been. I'm not asking anyone to see it as a positive or 'moral'
I want to bridge a gap because if Christians understand homosexuals more than there would be less suffering for believer and unbeliever alike. I want Christians to treat homosexuals as human.
I want to bridge a gap because if Christians understand homosexuals more than there would be less suffering for believer and unbeliever alike. I want Christians to treat homosexuals as human.
The human mind can experience hallucinations. Say someone has experienced hallucinations, and you want to be their friend. They say they will never be friends with you. You say why, they say because you aren't real. Not rejection?
They can say they are always empathetic, and that empathy can't apply to you because you are imaginary. But they are imagining that you are imaginary.
The end result is that they refuse to have any kind of relationship with you.
They can say they are always empathetic, and that empathy can't apply to you because you are imaginary. But they are imagining that you are imaginary.
The end result is that they refuse to have any kind of relationship with you.