What makes Jehovah Witnesses different?

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MadParrotWoman

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Trust me it's all true.
 
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JW's are not the only Christians who don't believe the Trinity doctrine. Trinitarianism only became associated with Christianity long after Christ and the apostles were gone. Christ never said he was equal to God or that he WAS God. He said he was a perfect representative of the Holy Father because he had been created by God before the beginning of the creation of the Heavens and Earth. His Holy Father did however give him the power that a god. So in a manner of speaking he was A god, but only as far as Jehovah has given him power. Jehovah gives it and controls it (Holy Spirit) Christ only has what his Father has given to him. Jehovah has not given any other person spirit or physical the authority and power that he has bestowed on his loyal son.
 
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MadParrotWoman

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Most importantly in addition to the things I listed, JW are not saved!
 

Jimbone

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If Jesus IS The Holy Father, then that would make him equal to his Father, is that right? JW's believe that Christ is God's son, only begotten son, the only way for God's Kingdom to come, here on earth, as it is in Heaven IS thru the ransom sacrifice of his son. (remember the Our Father prayer?) Perfect human life for perfect human life to restore perfect righteousness on earth. Isn't that Christian?
No they don't they believe that Jesus is the same created being as Michael the archangel, and deny the cross. They do not make Him Gods only begotten, you are mistaken on that my friend. They also hold the Watch Tower society as "Gods organization" on earth with equal to scripture power. They add to the world in a weekly magazine.

And BTW we don't hate them, we just know they're wrong and out of love try to let them know. Just because we disagree doesn't mean we "hate".
 
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MisterHarmony

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As far as I know, I wouldn't become a JW because of my conflicting faith. But I don't think they are worthy of hate at all. Do they love the Lord their God with all their heart, mind, strength and spirit? Do they love their neighbor as themselves? Jesus says if a person does this they will live. I try not to let conflicting details override love. If there are two groups of religions, I think the one showing the Lords love best is more successful. As far as I know, JW aren't condemning Christians. Its difficult for me not to believe groups like JW and Mormon walk with the Spirit because of my personal experiences speaking with them on the street. They are receptive to my love, are loving themselves, and they are even okay with me not being able to connect with the religious beliefs they have. If we can both still say 'God bless' at the end of our interaction, I think that's the mature way for a loving Christian to work with the love of the Lord.
Rain on the righteous and unrighteous.
I believe Jesus is with them.
 

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I've spoken with a number of JWs they don't believe Jesus was God and they will try to prove it to you through their altered scriptures. There is no point trying to reason with them.
 

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As far as I know, I wouldn't become a JW because of my conflicting faith. But I don't think they are worthy of hate at all. Do they love the Lord their God with all their heart, mind, strength and spirit? Do they love their neighbor as themselves? Jesus says if a person does this they will live. I try not to let conflicting details override love. If there are two groups of religions, I think the one showing the Lords love best is more successful. As far as I know, JW aren't condemning Christians. Its difficult for me not to believe groups like JW and Mormon walk with the Spirit because of my personal experiences speaking with them on the street. They are receptive to my love, are loving themselves, and they are even okay with me not being able to connect with the religious beliefs they have. If we can both still say 'God bless' at the end of our interaction, I think that's the mature way for a loving Christian to work with the love of the Lord.
Rain on the righteous and unrighteous.
I believe Jesus is with them.
I agree and they can be really nice people, but the fact of the matter is you have to be regenerated by the Holy Spirit to be saved and what they teach won't lead anyone to Him. That's why, that's it. You need to be reborn and they don't point the way there, not that any of us can, only the Spirit can guide us and if the Spirit isn't present? If you don't understand what I'm talking about you may want to rethink your whole existence and relationship with God and His Son our Savior, and ask if you really have submitted your will to His or even want to. The only people I hear about receiving the Holy Spirit in the JW and Mormons leave them soon after. I'm sure there are saved people in each that aren't willing to lose all friends and family for leaving, but they know they are false systems now.

Again I don't hate them, I love them enough to warn them.
 

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I agree and they can be really nice people, but the fact of the matter is you have to be regenerated by the Holy Spirit to be saved and what they teach won't lead anyone to Him. That's why, that's it. You need to be reborn and they don't point the way there, not that any of us can, only the Spirit can guide us and if the Spirit isn't present? If you don't understand what I'm talking about you may want to rethink your whole existence and relationship with God and His Son our Savior, and ask if you really have submitted your will to His or even want to. The only people I hear about receiving the Holy Spirit in the JW and Mormons leave them soon after. I'm sure there are saved people in each that aren't willing to lose all friends and family for leaving, but they know they are false systems now.

Again I don't hate them, I love them enough to warn them.
OK. What does it mean to be saved then? Jesus said if a person listens to His commandments they will have eternal life. Is that what you mean by surrendering the will? Because the Mormons I have met definitely teach full submission to the Lord, and I would think JW fully give themselves to the Lord also. So in that way they are saved through complete surrender to the Lord, yes?
 

Jimbone

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Well did they also tell you they believe they will obtain godhood? Or Jesus and Satan are brothers? Or that Joseph Smith is a proven false prophet? Or there is not 1 thing genetically, archeologically, historically, or anything that doesn't DIRECTLY CONTRIDICT the Mormon story? Dude it's just not true, I again am not saying that one cannot find Jesus while being a Mormon, just that their teachings won't lead them there.
 
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If only it was that simple. I was brought up in the Catholic faith but I adhere to very little of the doctrine, only to those portions that are applicable to what is in the Word of God. I am currently attending SDA church as it closely follows biblical principals and precepts. First and foremost, I am a Christian. I believe that God hates religion as it is an attempt by man to please God by earthly means but He is understanding and compassionate in this regard.
"God hates religion" is just another nutty cult teaching. Does the JW teach that, or did you pick that up form some nuts outside of the JW organization?
 
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MadParrotWoman

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I agree we must love the JW's we come into contact with, they are usually lovely people but they aren't saved. They don't believe in the trinity and they don't believe Jesus is Lord.
 
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Question: "Who are the Jehovah's Witnesses and what are their beliefs?"

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The sect known today as the Jehovah's Witnesses started out in Pennsylvania in 1870 as a Bible class led by Charles Taze Russell. Russell named his group the “Millennial Dawn Bible Study.” Charles T. Russell began writing a series of books he called “The Millennial Dawn,” which stretched to six volumes before his death and contained much of the theology Jehovah’s Witnesses now hold. After Russell's death in 1916, Judge J. F. Rutherford, Russell's friend and successor, wrote the seventh and final volume of the “Millennial Dawn” series, “The Finished Mystery,” in 1917. The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society was founded in 1886 and quickly became the vehicle through which the “Millennial Dawn” movement began distributing their views to others. The group was known as the “Russellites” until 1931 when, due to a split in the organization, it was renamed the “Jehovah’s Witnesses.” The group from which it split became known as the “Bible students.”

What do Jehovah’s Witnesses believe? Close scrutiny of their doctrinal position on such subjects as the deity of Christ, salvation, the Trinity, the Holy Spirit, and the atonement shows beyond a doubt that they do not hold to orthodox Christian positions on these subjects. Jehovah’s Witnesses believe Jesus is Michael the archangel, the highest created being. This contradicts many Scriptures which clearly declare Jesus to be God (John 1:1,14, 8:58, 10:30). Jehovah’s Witnesses believe salvation is obtained by a combination of faith, good works, and obedience. This contradicts countless scriptures which declare salvation to be received by grace through faith (John 3:16;Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5). Jehovah’s Witnesses reject the Trinity, believing Jesus to be a created being and the Holy Spirit to essentially be the inanimate power of God. Jehovah’s Witnesses reject the concept of Christ’s substitutionary atonement and instead hold to a ransom theory, that Jesus’ death was a ransom payment for Adam’s sin.

How do the Jehovah’s Witnesses justify these unbiblical doctrines? First, they claim that the church has corrupted the Bible over the centuries; thus, they have re-translated the Bible into what they call the New World Translation. The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society altered the text of the Bible to make it fit their false doctrine, rather than basing their doctrine on what the Bible actually teaches. The New World Translation has gone through numerous editions, as the Jehovah’s Witnesses discover more and more Scriptures that contradict their doctrines.

The Watchtower bases its beliefs and doctrines on the original and expanded teachings of Charles Taze Russell, Judge Joseph Franklin Rutherford, and their successors. The governing body of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is the only body in the cult that claims authority to interpret Scripture. In other words, what the governing body says concerning any scriptural passage is viewed as the last word, and independent thinking is strongly discouraged. This is in direct opposition to Paul's admonition to Timothy (and to us as well) to study to be approved by God, so that we need not be ashamed as we correctly handle the Word of God. This admonition, found in 2 Timothy 2:15, is a clear instruction from God to each of His children to be like the Berean Christians, who searched the Scriptures daily to see if the things they were being taught lined up with the Word.

There is probably no religious group that is more faithful than the Jehovah’s Witnesses at getting their message out. Unfortunately, the message is full of distortions, deceptions, and false doctrine. May God open the eyes of the Jehovah’s Witnesses to the truth of the gospel and the true teaching of God’s Word.

Recommended Resources: Reasoning from the Scriptures with the Jehovah's Witnesses, Updated and Expanded by Ron Rhodes.

We highly recommend Witnesses for Jesus for more information.

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MadParrotWoman

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As far as I know, I wouldn't become a JW because of my conflicting faith. But I don't think they are worthy of hate at all. Do they love the Lord their God with all their heart, mind, strength and spirit? Do they love their neighbor as themselves? Jesus says if a person does this they will live. I try not to let conflicting details override love. If there are two groups of religions, I think the one showing the Lords love best is more successful. As far as I know, JW aren't condemning Christians. Its difficult for me not to believe groups like JW and Mormon walk with the Spirit because of my personal experiences speaking with them on the street. They are receptive to my love, are loving themselves, and they are even okay with me not being able to connect with the religious beliefs they have. If we can both still say 'God bless' at the end of our interaction, I think that's the mature way for a loving Christian to work with the love of the Lord.
Rain on the righteous and unrighteous.
I believe Jesus is with them.
I agree with 99% of this but Jesus is not with JW's, if they don't believe that He is Lord and that salvation comes through grace accredited to us when He gave His life for us then He most definitely isn't with them.

Some of the sentiments being bandied about on here are quite frankly dangerous. Yes we are called to love but not at the expense of salvation. God calls us to speak truth to the unsaved. We are not doing them any favours to go with the flow just because we want to ne "nice" to them. Also it's not good for ANY unsaved individual reading some of these comments. JW is not the way to salvation, Jesus is the way and the only way.
 
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I heard once that they say that we are ranked but God loves us all the same so how can we be ranked like Vicars Monks Nuns Bishops are with God then i guess we are like a level down i don't believe this is so as God lives us all equal.
 
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There are few Christians today who follow all of scripture. Most understand a part of scripture and say it is the entire thing. Take the against law people--they believe all the truths against what law does and follow that well. Anyone who follows that but also believe in obedience is not considered a Christian. Just one example. Just like the JW, they have many scriptures to prove their point.

My neighbor insisted Jesus was inferior to God because she only goes by scripture, implying that I don't. She even quoted John 14:28 You have heard Me tell you, 'I am going away and I am coming to you.' If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced that I am going to the Father, because the Father is greater than I. Then glared at me, turned to go home and hasn't been back to see me.

She simply could not let herself know this was told to us by Christ just before he was crucified and was still part man. She had learned a part of scripture well, and like so many others she didn't know how to put it all together.

Today, Christians follow traditions as if they are scripture. They learn one truth without fitting it into all truth. We don't have one church any more, but hundreds of them. Most even split scripture into two parts that oppose each other, they don't have one God speaking with the same voice. The JW are mixed up about Christ, and that is pretty serious, but most Christians are not so accepting of all of scripture but distort it, so throwing stones even at them is sort of silly.
 
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They're Christians. Why do other Christians hate them?
My problem with JW's is they believe only a select people will go to Heaven, and funny enough those select people only seem to be JW's themselves. Also they believe Earth will also become a paradise, which is contrary to what the Bible says will happen. There's alot more weird stuff they believe but I haven't looked into it. I do know however if you leave the JW church they completely shun you. Some even go as far as not walking on the same side of the street a you.
 
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MadParrotWoman

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There are few Christians today who follow all of scripture. Most understand a part of scripture and say it is the entire thing. Take the against law people--they believe all the truths against what law does and follow that well. Anyone who follows that but also believe in obedience is not considered a Christian. Just one example. Just like the JW, they have many scriptures to prove their point.

My neighbor insisted Jesus was inferior to God because she only goes by scripture, implying that I don't. She even quoted John 14:28 You have heard Me tell you, 'I am going away and I am coming to you.' If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced that I am going to the Father, because the Father is greater than I. Then glared at me, turned to go home and hasn't been back to see me.

She simply could not let herself know this was told to us by Christ just before he was crucified and was still part man. She had learned a part of scripture well, and like so many others she didn't know how to put it all together.

Today, Christians follow traditions as if they are scripture. They learn one truth without fitting it into all truth. We don't have one church any more, but hundreds of them. Most even split scripture into two parts that oppose each other, they don't have one God speaking with the same voice. The JW are mixed up about Christ, and that is pretty serious, but most Christians are not so accepting of all of scripture but distort it, so throwing stones even at them is sort of silly.
I agree that liberalism is dangerous too - it's the beginning of the rot.
 

Jimbone

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There are few Christians today who follow all of scripture. Most understand a part of scripture and say it is the entire thing. Take the against law people--they believe all the truths against what law does and follow that well. Anyone who follows that but also believe in obedience is not considered a Christian. Just one example. Just like the JW, they have many scriptures to prove their point.

My neighbor insisted Jesus was inferior to God because she only goes by scripture, implying that I don't. She even quoted John 14:28 You have heard Me tell you, 'I am going away and I am coming to you.' If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced that I am going to the Father, because the Father is greater than I. Then glared at me, turned to go home and hasn't been back to see me.

She simply could not let herself know this was told to us by Christ just before he was crucified and was still part man. She had learned a part of scripture well, and like so many others she didn't know how to put it all together.

Today, Christians follow traditions as if they are scripture. They learn one truth without fitting it into all truth. We don't have one church any more, but hundreds of them. Most even split scripture into two parts that oppose each other, they don't have one God speaking with the same voice. The JW are mixed up about Christ, and that is pretty serious, but most Christians are not so accepting of all of scripture but distort it, so throwing stones even at them is sort of silly.

I agree with everything you said here but this one little part "We don't have one church any more, but hundreds of them", while there is 1,000's of them in fact that may say Jesus, the true body can only be believers. There is no way to break that no matter what the world throws at it. I know it seems worse than ever, it no doubt is, but we were told it would get worse. If you think about it there are more people on the planet then there ever was by a longshot, so really there could very well be more saved people on this planet now than ever before in history (by sheer numbers only, not what % of the people are saved or anything like that). I say the true Church is the same way it's always been and all in Christ regenerated by the Holy Spirit whom make up the Church are of 1 mind, and are very much still one.

I was just voicing what I felt about that one part of this comment when I read it. I am sure you agree with me and I was in no way trying to "correct" anything or disagree, or teach, or anything like that, I just felt compelled to add this comment.
 
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My neighbor insisted Jesus was inferior to God because she only goes by scripture, implying that I don't. She even quoted John 14:28 You have heard Me tell you, 'I am going away and I am coming to you.' If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced that I am going to the Father, because the Father is greater than I. Then glared at me, turned to go home and hasn't been back to see me.
There are a number of doctrines popular with the cults, such as denying the deity of Christ. Jesus made himself lower than angels when he gave up equality with God and made himself into the likeness of a man. JWs say Jesus is the archangel michael, but Jesus is God made flesh.