When did you discover your denomination of Christianity was the only right one

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damombomb

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I persoanly like the pentacost because they seem to be closet to the word than the others. But then that is where the lord
drew me. The Lord had never been so real to me until then. I always wondered why people in the old days saw angels ect
Then after being baptised it the spirit, everything became new. I do realise there are imitations and then there are the real
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shawntc

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damombomb, as someone who spent 4 years in the Assemblies of God before reviewing their doctrine and comparing it to the beliefs of the early church, I have to tell you, they are not closest to the Word. I can go into detail if you'd like, but it'd probably be a lengthy thread of its own.

Let me preface this by saying that I don't believe any denomination or church is inherently better than others. If God draws you to be Catholic, be Catholic. If he draws you to the Baptist church, be Baptist. Same thing with anything else - Presbyterian, Methodist, Lutheran, Pentecostal, etc. Nor do I think any modern church is the "only right one." I'm pretty sure every type of church has some doctrine or another that is not what Jesus and the apostles taught.

Nonetheless, I believe that one of the denominations closest to the truth as taught by the apostles and early fathers is confessional Lutheranism. I'm talking about groups like the LCMS, WELS, and ELS. Lutheranism is very acronym-happy. :D When I compare the beliefs of the synod I'm part of (the LCMS), I find there is a lot of agreement with what the early church believed. There are probably differences (for example, in the LCMS baptism is done by putting water on one's head, not immersion) but doctrinally, it's really good.
 

Elizabeth619

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If people could share their stories and testimonies that would be great. Since there are so many types and denominations of Christianity out there and so many people here are super confident they have got it right, maybe you can help out the rest of us who may struggle to think we are 100% correct.

When did you realise that your Christian Path was the 100% correct one and all others were false?

What Theology, reasoning or Bible verse helped you to reach this confidence?

I'm mainly looking for people who came to the conclusions themselves through examining many things. Not people who were just born into their denomination or do whatever their Pastor/Priest told you.

Mainly because I want to know the reasoning, or faith experience or what have you.

Why are you right?
I used to believe that I was always right. As a matter of fact the type of church I attend is known for people saying "If you aren't Church of Christ then you aren't going to Heaven." Thought not everyone in the CoC believe this, many do.
Now that I am older, and have had to opportunity to interact with believers from all over the world I am able to educate myself on why there is division within the church.

Do I continue to believe I am right? No. By saying that I feel it is self righteous, and condemning to others. Do I believe others may be misguided? Yes, but that doesn't give anyone any authority to condemn them.

I've been humbled. I even woke up this morning with a totally different outlook on my own beliefs, and even my behaviors.

I was raised in the Church of Christ, and I do still attend there, but my outlook on who is right or wrong has changed. It is not up to me to argue who is right and wrong. I have no authority to do so, and just because my neighbor may attend a Baptist church down the road from mine doesn't make them wrong. Especially if I have no clue what they believe in the first place.

David, I guess that wasn't that answers you were looking for, but since last night the verse "we will be judged the same measure we judge others" keeps dancing around in my head. Therefore I feel that is Gods way of telling me to reevaluate my attitude.
 
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AgapeSpiritEyes

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I was raised strict Roman Catholic but did not experience my spiritual rebirth in the Roman Catholic church and was not called to serve in it after. Denominations each have a cog of the truth that the Holy Spirit moved in believers to start so as to progressively build the church,when HE was not followed then He found others to reveal other vital truths to so salvation would be legimate and experienced by those lost. The parabolic illustration of the mustard seed and its unnatural growth as an herb when it became over grown, so that birds of the air dwelt in it is a perfect example of organizations of demonination where demons nest and abide in it! So, no pure organization can be legitimate without the pure movement of the Holy Spirit! Jesus is joining all of us who believe together in divine love. All else is not legitimate substance of the essence of God in Christ Jesus to build upon, denominations must be dissolved into the body of Jesus fitted and joined as close as our precious bodies that are the temple of the Holy Spirit with agape in place of blood, our life blood is the flow of Agape with all the spiritual nutrients of eternal spiritual life, light and love giving and receiving to each other. I am joined to each believer whether the same ideas of spiritual truths are clearly agreeable or are expereienced or not, one substance and only one joins me to all others the omnipotent love, light and life of Jesus in us.
 

homwardbound

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damombomb, as someone who spent 4 years in the Assemblies of God before reviewing their doctrine and comparing it to the beliefs of the early church, I have to tell you, they are not closest to the Word. I can go into detail if you'd like, but it'd probably be a lengthy thread of its own.

Let me preface this by saying that I don't believe any denomination or church is inherently better than others. If God draws you to be Catholic, be Catholic. If he draws you to the Baptist church, be Baptist. Same thing with anything else - Presbyterian, Methodist, Lutheran, Pentecostal, etc. Nor do I think any modern church is the "only right one." I'm pretty sure every type of church has some doctrine or another that is not what Jesus and the apostles taught.

Nonetheless, I believe that one of the denominations closest to the truth as taught by the apostles and early fathers is confessional Lutheranism. I'm talking about groups like the LCMS, WELS, and ELS. Lutheranism is very acronym-happy. :D When I compare the beliefs of the synod I'm part of (the LCMS), I find there is a lot of agreement with what the early church believed. There are probably differences (for example, in the LCMS baptism is done by putting water on one's head, not immersion) but doctrinally, it's really good.
Very good post on not being one sided to what Church one attends let alone what denomination, for I believe that God is all powerful and no matter4 where one goes or not goes is of no consequence for if one is seeking God then one will be shown of God by God the Holy Ghost. ? for you does God want us to be in fellowship with one another using his name? Or does God just want us to be in fellowship with him through his son Christ? Which comes first the Chicken or the egg?
 

shawntc

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Very good post on not being one sided to what Church one attends let alone what denomination, for I believe that God is all powerful and no matter4 where one goes or not goes is of no consequence for if one is seeking God then one will be shown of God by God the Holy Ghost. ? for you does God want us to be in fellowship with one another using his name? Or does God just want us to be in fellowship with him through his son Christ? Which comes first the Chicken or the egg?
If you're asking me a question and not being rhetorical, then I gotta admit, I don't understand what you're asking me. Could you clarify, please?
 
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There is some truth in all religions. They shall see eye to eye when the Lord brings again Zion.
 
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Here is a great article on the Church, which explains what the true church is and what it isnt.

The Church
Ekklēsia is the Greek word used in the New Testament over 116 times, translated in our English Bibles as ‘Church’. The word has NOTHING to do with stone buildings or sacred places of worship. It is a compound word meaning: ‘Ek’: Out from….’Ekklēsia’ the called out. Thus the ‘Called out’.

The Greek word most closely related to ‘Church’ is kuriakos, used in 1Cor11:20 & Rev1:10, translated: ‘the Lord’s’ as referring to the Lord’s Supper and the Lord’s Day. Meaning in the Greek: belonging to the Lord, related to the Lord. This word became associated with places of ‘Christian’ worship around 300AD under Roman Emperor Constantine. Up to that time the true followers of Jesus Christ were meeting in private homes, often in secret at night. WHY? Because in the Roman Empire there could be no private religion! It was against the law and considered conspiratorial to hold secret or private meetings in homes. This is why the Pagans often brought moral charges against the Christians accusing them of incest, cannibalism and unnatural practices.
(meetings in homes: Rom16:5, 1Cor16:19, Col4:15, Phil1:2, Acts2:46)

Christ Intended Church Matt16:13-19
When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?” So they said, “Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
Thus WHAT is the Church? Its Certainly NOT a building considered ‘Sacred’ where the Lord dwells. His Spirit does not reside in things made of stone and wood. When He told His Disciples that if ‘Anyone love Me, he will Keep My Word and My Father will love him and WE will come to him and make Our home with him’ Jn14:23, He was speaking of this ‘Ekklēsia’ of the ‘Called out ones’. These would be His assembly called out of Darkness and Bondage into Light and Freedom from sin! (Acts26:18) The Saints are NOT called to buildings set apart as sacred run by a religious establishment of clergy with some kind of special privileges to Lord over people.
WHO is Greatest in the Kingdom of our Lord?

And whoever desires to be first among you, let him be your servant. Matt20:27

But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant. Matt23:11
Even the Ransom (redemption of Christ) is associated with this kind of Servitude:
just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”Matt20:28
Jesus as the ‘ROCK’ 1Cor10:4 (Petra, up on which the Ekklēsia is to be Established) Served on the ‘Called out ones’ behalf in order to Redeem them from darkness to light from the power of Satan to God. That’s why His ‘Church’ is the ‘Chosen generation, the Royal priesthood, a holy nation of His own special people that may proclaim praises to Him who called them out of darkness into His marvelous Light!’ 1Pet2:9. The Ekklēsia is NOT the filthy ragged, desperately wicked, wretched, born depraved, chiefs of sinners sitting under the bondage of a religious system that rules over their minds and keeps them in ignorance. (under a millennial of bondage dating back to ancient Rome)
Peter’s (petros, small rock) confession stands as the testimony of the Ekklesia’s foundation on which the Saints are to build; 1Cor3:9-11 For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building. According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ! Understanding that it’s GOD who gives the increase, 1Cor3:7. This is why His Saints stand out as ‘Special People’ (unique 1Pet2:9) His Bride who has made themselves ready for His coming, Rev19:7, going forth into all the earth to proclaim the riches of His Glory, (Eph1:18, 3:16, Rom9:23) endued with the Power from on High! Acts1:8. Professing Christians in the Church System do not have a clue what it means to be among the ‘called out’ ones. They have yet to answer the call to ‘Come Out from among them and be separate’ 2Cor6:16-18. Separate from what, They ask, we are the Church!

The Satanic distortion of ‘Church’ began in forth Century Rome under Emperor Constantine who granted religious tolerance in the land that brought an end to the bitter persecutions against Christians. This eventually led to the uniting of church and state, bringing the ‘Christians’ into the great cathedrals of Rome. (considered sacred by the pagans) From that time forward an ‘Official’ religious system existed under the guise of Christianity blending together the idols, pagan beliefs and rituals of Roman culture and remains so to this day. To the officials of Rome you were either a ‘Catholic Christian’ or a ‘heretic’….branded foolish madmen, who should suffer chastisement and divine condemnation.

Essentially this turned the tables against the real Saints of God labeling them dangerous dissenters and who would not bow to the authority of Rome. The Ecclesiastical System had full authority to persecute and legally murder their religious opponents who opposed them. Sparing you the long and bloody history of religious tyranny that brought us the horror of Crusades, Inquisitions, torture and massive persecutions throughout history to present day, suffice to say the ‘CHURCH’ as we know it in our current society has NOTHING to do with CHRIST! Certainly much of the bitter persecution has ceased in our ‘relativity’ free country and we are currently permitted to practice the religion of our choice, it doesn’t negate the FACT that the existing Religious Establishment of professing Christianity in the free world is still Pagan based to its core.

The ‘Churches’ as they exist in our towns, villages and cities, in which so-called Christians claim to worship the One True God are simply an off-shoot of what happened in ancient Rome when the Pure Doctrine of Jesus Christ was nullified by the teachings of men. This is why the ‘Church’ has absolutely no similarity to the ‘Ekklēsia’ of the Bible and also has no desire whatsoever to resemble it. They have their SYSTEM in place that serves the purpose of gathering humanity under a unified pattern of religion where anything goes and people can choose the ‘form’ that suits them best.

The establishment can still maintain a fabricated authority over attendees insisting they must submit to church leadership and remain in fellowship lest they abandon the faith. This enforces the fantasy in the minds of church goers that those who flee the System are angry runagates and devils better off gone rather than stirring up trouble in their midst. In olden times the ‘Church’ exercised domination over the people by the pretense of piety, the place of worship (they controlled) was consecrated of the Lord and dare not be blasphemed or defied. They may not be hunting down dissidents or burning anyone at the stake in our time, but TRY going among them to challenge their false doctrines and expose the sin! You will find out very quickly that non-compliance will NOT be tolerated.

A denominational church will use its entire governing body to see that you’re silenced and cast out of doors if necessary. More independent organizations will muster the governing board against you and see that you’re brought to shame in the eyes of the people. How different is that from excommunication or being branded a heretic by the religious establishment? The illegitimate ‘Church’ System STILL holds great sway over the gullible (professed) Christian public who fear being numbered among the rebellious. God’s greatest Prophets (including John the Baptist) always stood aloof of the religious system and were greatly out-numbered by the dominant forces. Elijah had to stand alone against 450 false prophets of Baal who had already gone out and slain hundreds of the Lord’s faithful. (1Kings19:12-21)

It’s really no surprise that those of us who Preach the Lord’s true Doctrine cannot buy or sell inside the religious system. (Rev13:17) The use of these words; ‘Buy & Sell’ in Revelation 13 are metaphorical. To Buy means the ability to Participate in a market place….To Sell translates as ability to Barter in a place. Are God’s true Messengers of Repentance and Faith Proven by deeds permitted to ‘Participate’ in the designated places of worship? Can they ‘Barter’ (the act or practice of carrying on a trade) among the ‘church’ people? BY NO MEANS…..because they have NOT taken on the Mark (which is the lust of the eye, flesh & pride of life!) but have CAST it away in the Crucifixion of the passions and desires of the flesh. (Rom6:4-6,Gal5:24)

That’s what has separated the ‘Ekklesia’ from the church since the beginning. When Saul (later Paul) made havoc of the church entering into every house dragging off men and women committing them to prison (Acts8:3) Obviously he was finding this ‘Ekklesia’ in the houses. He did not have to seek them out in the local synagogues or other official places of worship approved by the religious system. And the SAME holds true today….you will NOT find the ‘Called out ones’ partaking at the table of demons in a place of idolatry. (1Cor10:21, 2Cor6:14-16)

We see this in Christ rolling back the vale of eternity in Matt7:21-23, when He pronounces those awful words to the people who thought they were serving Him in a false System, “I Never Knew you, Depart from Me you workers of iniquity’! They participated in the rituals and traditions of the ‘church’, but never came out of their sins.
If we look back over the centuries of religious bondage since the days of ancient Rome, we find a ruling elite arrogantly reigning over the mind’s of men by the use of superstition and the fear of a vengeful God. In darker times the mere suggestion that you were involved in anything the church deemed blasphemy it meant banishment from common society. (and often times death by horrible means) The average people could not simply ignore the ecclesiastical influence of the establishment because they had power to brandish the full power of the State against anyone who opposed them. So unless you were willing to contest a standing army that thoroughly enjoyed bloody slaughter, you kowtowed to the System in spite of your convictions.
Of course things have changed somewhat since the advent of Liberty in the world, but billions still live under authoritarian style leadership. The major difference today is that the ‘Christian’ Church is no longer a threat to the darkened authorities. Therefore if it, as an organization, is willing to exist within the parameters of state control it can enjoy full acceptance. (even in places like China) However private gatherings or (in house) churches are still considered a danger by most regimes because they operate apart from the supervision of prying eyes. This includes America, where many of the brain dead mind controlled, still believe their leaders respect the Bill of Rights. The general public, among who most professing Christians reside are already good minions of the State and subordinate to some form of authorized religious authority. The religious systems of history have provided man with a sanctuary for his ‘sickness’ of mind called the ‘church’. They have gone to extreme lengths to preserve this safe harbor for carnality, including the use of torture, coercion and deceptions.
Even when the vast monopoly of the Catholic System was challenged during what historians call the Reformation, the duplicity continued. When the Bible was finally authorized to be translated into English by King James VI in 1604, the ‘esteemed’ translators were instructed to rigorously maintain the Episcopal structure of the Church of England and its belief in an ‘ordained’ clergy. So the Word ‘Ekklesia’ in the Greek text was ordered to be translated ‘Church’! (as it also appeared in the Geneva Bible the Anglo-Catholic Bishop’s Bible) Thus it has been to this day. The ‘Church’ is still considered a sacred gathering place for ‘Christians’ and the clergy keeps the people in a state of ignorance and bliss. However GOD did not intend that His Ekklesia become an institutionalized religion.
We have already established that the ‘Church’ as it exists in America today is NOT the ‘Called out’ ones of Christ. Further evidence of this is seen in their eagerness to obey the rules of State and operate within the constraints of a charitable origination. Since the founding of America the ‘Churches’ have been exempt (for the most part) from paying any taxes. (except on payroll earnings stating in the late 1930’s) However as the Gospel became more and more secular in nature the government recognized it’s opportunity to weasel into ‘religious’ affairs by ‘granting’ them a special status under law to maintain their exemption. However nothing comes from government without strings attached and the American Church System was a prime candidate to ‘sign on’ to something they ‘thought’ was to their advantage. And in a bizarre sort of way the 501 (c) 3 charitable corporate tax exempt statuses (introduced in 1954) corresponds seamlessly into their counterfeit gospel message that follows the Great Harlot of Babylon.
This type of tax exemption turns the churches into ‘corporations’, that must follow the guidelines (as any government granted corporation) stipulated in the agreement. Which means that in order to maintain a tax exempt status the Churches (and any charitable organization) must forego certain activities which are specifically: engaging in political lobbying or campaigning. That means the Pastors or other church leadership cannot endorse a candidate for political office or participate in any political debate that may influence the outcome of an election or the passing of legislation. Essentially this hamstrings the ‘Churches’ ability to act as any kind of a moral compass in society at large.
So there you have it! Your precious constitution brought to naught. Congress making no law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…. Has virtually no further significance in the land of the free. Not only have the Churches voluntarily repudiated the Gospel of Christ they have enthusiastically gone in league with the devil! They are a sort of ‘Judas’ goat, selling out for their thirty pieces of silver. They ride the Scarlet Beast of Rev17:3-6, adorn with all the trimmings of ancient Babylon.
As throughout their long and sorted history as a religious hierarchy they have always been FULLY aware of the control they have put forth over men AND used it to their complete advantage. With the 501 they can further demonize the runagates that refuse to comply and wrap themselves in the flag as loyal patriots thereby garnering an even greater creditability to the unsuspecting masses who equate God and Country to the Bible. Is it of any wonder why Solomon said that there is nothing new under the sun? This same type of Mind control has been going on from the very dawn of creation. Man is a creature easily duped (or shall I say Doped) by the Luciferian agenda of instant gratification and the promise of supremacy. Thus you have the SAME establishment today as those who crucified Christ. Controlled in Mind and Heart by Satan himself!
Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, And seeing you will see and not perceive; For the hearts of this people have grown dull .Their ears are hard of hearing, And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them. Matt13:14-15
The Ekklēsia can never be connected with a System, by definition they are the ‘called out’ ones, Separate from the lust of the flesh, eyes and pride of life; all the trapping of the world the establishment churches find irresistible. They are His Sheep who hear His Voice and Obey, sojourns in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom they SHINE as Lights in a world of Darkness, Holding fast the Word of Life! Phil2:15-16
The religious systems of history have provided man with a sanctuary for his ‘sickness’ of mind called the ‘church’. They have gone to extreme lengths to preserve this safe harbor for carnality, including the use of torture, coercion and deceptions. Even when the vast monopoly of the Catholic System was challenged during what historians call the Reformation, the duplicity continued. When the Bible was finally authorized to be translated into English by King James VI in 1604, the ‘esteemed’ translators were instructed to rigorously maintain the Episcopal structure of the Church of England and its belief in an ‘ordained’ clergy. So the Word ‘Ekklēsia’ in the Greek text was ordered to be translated ‘Church’! (as it also appeared in the Geneva Bible the Anglo-Catholic Bishop’s Bible)
Thus it has been to this day. The ‘Church’ is still considered a sacred gathering place for ‘Christians’ and the clergy keeps the people in a state of ignorance and bliss. However GOD did not intend that His Ekklēsia to become an institutionalized religion. www.standingthegap.org
 
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Thank you tommy sincerely, for being an encyclopedia Tommy Encyclopedia of information. What about you personally without the information of history and etomology and editorializing?
 
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jimmydiggs

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When did you realise that your Christian Path was the 100% correct one and all others were false?
I only know a few groups who believe they are 100% correct and without error. Christians are not typically numbered among them.
 

homwardbound

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If you're asking me a question and not being rhetorical, then I gotta admit, I don't understand what you're asking me. Could you clarify, please?
I will try, I have seen where we as people get caught up in fellowshipping with one another saying and oh yes praise Jesus, and not really being in him just lip service. So what is more important going to a church a gathering where others are at and praising Jesus so to speak? Or going into ones closet and close the door praying and having a relationship with Fatherand Son above anything else. Hoping this is clearer
 
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Just to clarify, denomination mean to me what the academic version is, all variations of Christianity: Catholics, Orthodox, Jehovah Witness, Baptist etc.

Every day on Christian Chat someone Claims that other denominations are evil and of Satan.
There is only one true Church. The Church of Truth and Grace, that only Christ can deliver.
 

homwardbound

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Here is a great article on the Church, which explains what the true church is and what it isnt.

The Church
Ekklēsia is the Greek word used in the New Testament over 116 times, translated in our English Bibles as ‘Church’. The word has NOTHING to do with stone buildings or sacred places of worship. It is a compound word meaning: ‘Ek’: Out from….’Ekklēsia’ the called out. Thus the ‘Called out’.


Thus it has been to this day. The ‘Church’ is still considered a sacred gathering place for ‘Christians’ and the clergy keeps the people in a state of ignorance and bliss. However GOD did not intend that His Ekklēsia to become an institutionalized religion. www.standingthegap.org
Tommy and yet, even though this is truth I will serve at the true place of worship
[h=3]Hebrews 8[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]The New Priestly Service[/h]8 Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, [SUP]2 [/SUP]a Minister of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man.
Also I will glory in :
Ephesians 1:12-18
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But I want you to know, brethren, that the things which happened to me have actually turned out for the furtherance of the gospel, [SUP]13 [/SUP]so that it has become evident to the whole palace guard, and to all the rest, that my chains are in Christ; [SUP]14 [/SUP]and most of the brethren in the Lord, having become confident by my chains, are much more bold to speak the word without fear.

[SUP]15 [/SUP]Some indeed preach Christ even from envy and strife, and some also from goodwill: [SUP]16 [/SUP]The former preach Christ from selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my chains; [SUP]17 [/SUP]but the latter out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel. [SUP]18 [/SUP]What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is preached; and in this I rejoice, yes, and will rejoice
Thank you for the seperating truth from error, yet I tell you that those that are seeking God shall find him period no matter what the devils intend. CHRIST is being preached and those that want to know Christ or God his Father Father will lead them to his Sonand reveal the truth tothat person. God the Father will not reveal himself to anyone that does not want to know him for the soul purpose of fellowship, that has no other motive but to be with him, therefore as Paul said it I will glory in both for Christ is being preached
Thanks Tommy I do appreciate your sincerity brother

 

homwardbound

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The most effective lies are ALWAYS half truths
Yes all it takes to taint a pure glass of water is one drop of ink and they are off and running, but noone not one can taint God's love this world in all its efforts can't even copy it whole, yet they do a good job of counterfeit, but ask God for you to see it and receive it 1 Cor 13 is the love of God that he gives you the believer as a free gift to you to have cherish, and spread around the world as you go, pure love
 

homwardbound

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There is only one true Church. The Church of Truth and Grace, that only Christ can deliver.
Yes that true place of worshiop isin heaven which all those that do believe are made citizens of thr true church as it is in heaven and being back here on earth are now ambassadors representing the love 1cor 13, peace, joy and righteousness in the Holy Spirit of truth in God the Father of Christ

[h=3]Hebrews 8[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]The New Priestly Service[/h]8 Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, [SUP]2 [/SUP]a Minister of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man.
 
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JLHillsSr

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Yes that true place of worshiop isin heaven which all those that do believe are made citizens of thr true church as it is in heaven and being back here on earth are now ambassadors representing the love 1cor 13, peace, joy and righteousness in the Holy Spirit of truth in God the Father of Christ

Hebrews 8

New King James Version (NKJV)

The New Priestly Service

8 Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, [SUP]2[/SUP]a Minister of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man.
Mat 4:16 KJV - The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.
Mat 4:17 KJV - From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Jhn 3:13 KJV - And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of man which is in heaven.
 
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Kefa52

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What about Mathew 18:20 ?
"For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there among them."
 

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I will try, I have seen where we as people get caught up in fellowshipping with one another saying and oh yes praise Jesus, and not really being in him just lip service. So what is more important going to a church a gathering where others are at and praising Jesus so to speak? Or going into ones closet and close the door praying and having a relationship with Fatherand Son above anything else. Hoping this is clearer
I think they are equally important. It is important to be in church because God reveals himself to the world through the church. By not being part of it, one misses out on what God is doing. At the same, it's also important to have that personal aspect of the faith. If you aren't praying and reading the Bible, then how is one supposed to connect with God in a personal way? Both church and personal devotions are ways for God to reveal himself and indeed are both commanded by the Bible.
 

homwardbound

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Mat 4:16 KJV - The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.
Mat 4:17 KJV - From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Jhn 3:13 KJV - And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of man which is in heaven.
Yes this be so before the cross and after the cross we have been made citizens of heaven anything prior to the death of Christ written in scripture is a part of the Old Covenant and needs to be rightly divided the new covenant took place at the death of Christ
[h=3]Hebrews 9:15-17[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
[h=3]The Mediator’s Death Necessary[/h][SUP]16 [/SUP]For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. [SUP]17 [/SUP]For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.