Why do you suppose so many people don't like/want to/don't go to church anymore?

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Sep 25, 2012
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I'm just going to be honest here, and it's totally fine with me for those who will disagree. This just is just view from both personal experience, and hearing the stories of others who've been through things involving ''the church". These things, I do believe are the reasons so many won't go to church. There's true children of God, whom sadly won't go to church, or don't want to and wouldn't go if it weren't for gathering with the few other true believers, due to the overwhelming rate of fakes and such in the church.

I'm not sure which is worse, the fact there's so much hypocrisy, open sin, drunkards, drug addicts, idolatry, adultery, false teachings, worldliness, carnality, judging, condemning others, etc. going on in the ''churches'' today, which is such false representation of God, and of His body, which is the believers and children of His. These things are EXACTLY what pushes people away from God, away from church, away from true Christians, and away from the truth. I don't know if that's worse, or if this is: The fact so many true Christians and children of God, just leave the churches for sake of not being a part of it, and never return. I mean here's the thing, church isn't a building anyways, it's the people, so church can be held anywhere in all honesty.

The building aspect, is simply the place where the gathering is done, and we are told not to forsake the assembling together, but it doesn't stop there, the ministries needs to be taken out on the streets just as Jesus did. The thing is, it starts in ONE persons heart, when just one of God's children is willing, faithful, and obedient to step out on faith, take a stand for what's right, and puts things into action, amazing things can happen. Church can be held in a public place like a park, inside a restaurant, on a street corner, whatever. Then take those faithful few, diligently seek God, find Him, obey Him, let Him reveal to you what to do, and ''clean house" on what ''church'' is considered these days. You've got people that are ''pew warmers'' they just warm those seats, they love to sing songs, and feel great doing so, and showing off the donation they make, etc., however when the time comes for the message there's one of two issues: One:they aren't hearing what God says to them through the preaching of His word, or two:the one bringing the message, brings it of their self, not of God. Sometimes it's both issues, and you see the thing is, I know life's busy, difficult, etc. but don't allow that to take away from your time with God.

I love devotions, they're wonderful tools, but they just as anything else, can be turned into an idol and used as a means of procrastination, and a ''quick fix". They'll take a short little two minute or so reading, and if you're lucky, they'll expand on it. Still not ''their'' message, and not the message God intended on generally. That's not to say that God wouldn't ever use a message from a devotional, or anything else for that matter,however what I'm saying is this: God gives you a message, using whatever tools He desires, and He will speak to you about it. You must FIRST however, KNOW His voice and discern the spirits on if it's really Him. You must ask yourself, and most importantly God, "is what I"m doing the will of God for me, is this what He's telling me to do, is this the message He wants sent out to feed His sheep?".

It's so sad, and even just sickening to the point of disgust to see such stuff going on these days, it's time for God's people to humble themselves before Him like never before, and experience a true revival, that will shake the world to it's absolute core and ends, spiritually speaking. When the true children of God do these things, they can go and allow God to use them to take back what and who is His! True representation of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, true love of God shown, growing, planting, reaping, prospering in the relationship between God and His children, once they finally see the light, humble down, repent, and accept His will over their own! These things won't be in the church anymore, it will be restored, made clean, pure, righteous, in accordance of God, and everything she's supposed to be. Rise up ye generation of God's children, rise up with courage, don't be deceived by vipers, don't fear what man can do to the body, but not the soul, don't back down from the morality that you've held onto for so long!
 
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i just sent a post on an all atheist church. organized religion is just that. as you say , the people are the church not the organizations. we are instructed not to forsake the gathering of ourselves together esp as we see the day drawing nigh but that doesn't have to be in an established church. Jesus gathered people together on hillsides, shores and various homes. we gather together at c c . my favorite place to fellowship and pray right now. a direct answer to prayer since my conscience wont allow me to attend most churches anymore. the buildings are the same but the congregants and leadership are not. soon there will only be government approved churches as it is in other countries and true believers will be forced underground. the degraded things they do and exalt in organized religion are reprehensible. religion is already being touted as a mental illness in need of treatment
 
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Twenty years ago they were all in church, and no one was online. (I know that sounds silly, but I'm serious.)

God is moving on with His end-times plan, restoring the authority to each of His children. Most churches are still following the old plan, where the pastor knows it all, tells it all, and you just listen and submit. People are here on CC, because here we are allowed to learn to use our voice, and our authority. People will go to local gatherings again, once we renew the structure to allow for everyone to have their proper place in the Body.
 
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I am so glad someone brought up this topic and it just
at the right time. I just spoke with my husband couple
days ago about this. I asked, " in view of what is going
on in Church today, with so many Pastors teaching from
the Emergent View, or getting sermons online, " ( many
false teachings ) could it not be right to stay at home and
do our Worship and Bible Study, watch Bible Teaching
Pastors on TV ?"
I am one who has been there and done that... And I must
confess, I do these things, my husband and I. I share Christ
or pray for others outside my home when it is needed. God
bless those who are still trying to sit through teachings, and
still hold onto the Truth of Gods Word. We were sitting
under teachings that just did not feed, and when I run into
some who still are, and they say they aren't being fed, yet
stay. As our original poster said... this is bench warming.
I am not going to be brow beaten or made to feel guilty for
not going. If God begins to deal with me and lets me know
I MUST be there, where ever that might be, I will do it. But
it just seems like my time with the Lord is just as precious
if not more, here in the quiet of our home. God bless all ~
 
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I couldn't agree with all of you anymore than I already do! Especially you J-Kay, I actually asked that exact question about ''would it be wrong if I stayed home from church and did my own personal study and reading of God's word, and worship Him that way?" I asked my grandmother that last Wednesday! She told me she didn't really think so. After thinking about it, I told her this: Mawmaw, I don't believe it's wrong, because all God really ask of us, is that we pray, we commune with Him, we praise Him, and we're in His word. We can do that anywhere! In fact, Jesus talked about going into our prayer closet, which is time for JUST God and us personally.

Also, I left a church, because I just wasn't being fed there at all for a prolong amount of time, and just couldn't take it anymore. It was really hindering me a lot, and that just became so unacceptable, that I had to leave. Our walk and relationship with God is so essential, without it, we're lost, and there's no point to life.

I'm just tired of so many doing things that are completely against God's word, and doing it in His name, it's so sickening. God is raising up a generation of mighty warriors for His sake, who will serve in ways never before imagined. Desires are being placed in hearts, that can't be understood, growth and revelations are being given to and placed within, which the mind can't comprehend but the heart doesn't question....rather just rejoices in the Lord and the things He's doing. How do I know this? Because He's doing the exact thing in me, and for that, I'm forever indebted. It will get worse before it gets better, undoubtedly, we will be forced into underground worship and church services, many will lose their ''life" for taking a stand for Christ. (I put life in quotations, because just as God's word tells us, life begins at death. For the physical part of us, isn't life, the soul goes on, that's real life!)

There's so much going on, and much, much more to come in time, but all we can do is be prepared, and allow God to lead the way. Walk in the spirit, and not the flesh. Thank y'all for the great words you've given, and God bless!
 

Nautilus

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MOstly the time. I stay out late on friday and saturday...i need a church on sunday nights
 
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I think a big reason why so many churches are full of junk, especially in modern times, is the church is confused over what its role should be. Church should be a place of fellowship, encouragement, praying, praising and equiping saints to be witnesses. Then, we should be going out into the world preaching and winning souls to Christ. At which point we bring them to church for their growth.
Instead churches teach 'bring your unsaved here', increasing the number of unsaved in the church, bringing in more sin and less Christian fellowship and edification. Turning the time we are meant to get away from the world and recharge our batteries, into yet another time we have to be a witness. Its like bringing work home with you on your days off.
As a result most churches messages remain shallow and repetitious, mostly geared at the unsaved, rather than enhancing the walks of the saved.
And to top it off, most messages anymore are just self help crap anyways. We are encouraged to look at our own unhappiness and to focus on it, so we can have our best life now. *ahem.

Another thing i see, is many people also think its more spiritual to not go to church. The problem i have with this mentality is there is an element of pride in it. Kind of a 'church is full of sinners and i'm better than that' type of thinking, though, of course, they would never word it that way. Much American Christianity is self styled and more focused on personal opinion than biblical truth.
 
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Church should be a place of fellowship, encouragement, praying, praising and equiping saints to be witnesses. Then, we should be going out into the world preaching and winning souls to Christ. At which point we bring them to church for their growth. Instead churches teach 'bring your unsaved here', increasing the number of unsaved in the church, bringing in more sin and less Christian fellowship and edification. Turning the time we are meant to get away from the world and recharge our batteries, into yet another time we have to be a witness. Its like bringing work home with you on your days off.
The scripture that comes to mind here, is Galatians 6:1-2
Brothers, if someone is caught in any wrongdoing, you who are spiritual should restore such a person with a gentle spirit, watching out for yourselves so you also won’t be tempted. Carry one another’s burdens; in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.

This is my belief, view, understanding, and opinion here, so take it as a grain of salt: We are to not only do this inside the church(body of Christ) but also outside of it. Because if we're all judgmental, condemning, hating, etc. it will do nothing more than push people away. To point our finger and say "you're going to hell because you're gay, you're a idolater, adulteress, murderer,etc". It's a specific sin, it's sin in general, and the need of a Savior we all have equally. Rather, if we're gentle, but firm with them, they'll be more open to seeing and welcoming our views and the truths of God's word. It's a burden they carry, we carried that same burden once as well, no matter the sins, it's not the sin which defines who needs a savior. Therefore, as they carry the burden of not having a Savior yet, and the sin they live in(even if they don't realize the burden and cost if it that rest upon them), and we need to help them carry that burden. To show them why we all need one, that there is hope, there salvation, and there is a Savior willing to save them. Then lead them through the steps of becoming a child of God.

There's an old saying, "Church isn't just for the saved, it's for all who are in need, and we're all in need of God". It's like, you have people going on and ministering on the streets, but then what? What if someone's too afraid to approach them, and ask questions, yet it leads them to visit a church, then the end up finding out the good news, and accepting Christ. Then there's possibility of those whom minister on the streets, someone approaching them, or them approaching someone either way, and witnessing to them. They end up inviting them to church, and they may not accept right away, if at all, or maybe they will, but they show up at that, or another church. They end up accepting Christ. Then there's possibility of someone accepting Christ as a result of being ministered to on the streets, yet they slip away, the fall away and backslide, and finally decide "you know what, I really need to get back in church". There's so many different things to look at and consider. So I do believe that sinners, lost, whatever you so choose to call them, need to be in church,BUT there needs to be guidelines absolutely. Such as no,t allowing willful and habitual sin to go on, and we shouldn't allow ourselves or others in the body of Christ to fall into such things. Keeping our guard up at all times, bearing the armor of Christ, being equipped to withstand temptation, evil, wickedness, uncleanliness, etc. Exhibiting willpower, self control, faithfulness, obedience, and more. Being an example
in speech, in conduct, in love,in faith, in purity.
 

T_Laurich

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I think a big reason why so many churches are full of junk, especially in modern times, is the church is confused over what its role should be. Church should be a place of fellowship, encouragement, praying, praising and equiping saints to be witnesses. Then, we should be going out into the world preaching and winning souls to Christ. At which point we bring them to church for their growth.
As a result most churches messages remain shallow and repetitious, mostly geared at the unsaved, rather than enhancing the walks of the saved.
And to top it off, most messages anymore are just self help crap anyways. We are encouraged to look at our own unhappiness and to focus on it, so we can have our best life now. *ahem.

Another thing i see, is many people also think its more spiritual to not go to church. The problem i have with this mentality is there is an element of pride in it. Kind of a 'church is full of sinners and i'm better than that' type of thinking, though, of course, they would never word it that way. Much American Christianity is self styled and more focused on personal opinion than biblical truth.
I completely agree,

The Church mentality is changing into a pride-filled and worldly 'house'. I see many churches no longer doing good acts for the sake of doing good, but doing good acts to hold it above another churches head. Churches also compete in numbers...

A yesterday talked to me about these conferences the pastors are encouraged to go too. He expressed how much he disliked them because everything was materialistic. They asked questions like, how many new members do you have, how much money are you bringing in, how many people have you saved, how many mission trips have you done... It was all number/materialistic questions. No one has ever asked him at a conference, "Is your church growing spiritually". Or any relevant question.

Also the more 'accepted' churches are the ones that say heaven is a quick-fix; guaranteed no matter your sins or position about Christ. Now a days people say "the means justify the ends so what does it matter"...

And on a side note, I think I am being hypocritical... so :confused:
 
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how many people have you saved
The answer to that will always be 0, considering we can't/don't do the saving. Seriously though, I get what you're saying. The church I left, was in such competition, that during a revival service, when in reality they had taken in about $248, they intentionally changed the numbers around to make it say they had taken in $824 or $842 one of those. Just to empress other churches that were visiting, which disgusted me. That was part of the final straw for me. The lies, the hypocrisy, telling certain people whom were visitors they couldn't/wouldn't commit or live in a specific sin, but when it was the pastors family, or the family of certain church members it was totally accepted, etc. We all need to be a voice crying out in the wilderness these days, if there's going to be any hope for mankind. Praying for a great revival, to humble mankind under the mighty hand of God and draw them into repentance of sin.
 
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I can completely agree with what everyone is saying. In that I would conclude that evil spirits are more clever than expected. While we all fell asleep in the pews Satan stepped up on the pulpit. We have now decided that we are going to let him push us out the door and further divide us dismembering the Body of Christ while children are left inside fending for themselves. Time for meat people! Don't discuss what went wrong at church at Sunday brunch. If somebody quoted a wrong figure stand up and correct them. Don't quietly leave with your head down. Go get five smooth stones, pick up your sling shot and go take down that giant. We are the children of God. Spit out that passifier and do something about it!
 
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Church can be such a wonderful union and gathering for and with God.

It is a shame but i understand different reasons people may have.

I actually felt really uncomfterble both in masjid and in church and did not feel genuinely welcome but like there were lots of other things going on that they were focused on that had nothing to do with God or church and this was both church and masjid.

It also depends how you feel with the priest and the people and what church is right for you.

Many many reasons for different people.

There are such magnificent churches and going in and lighting a candle and saying a prayer can also be nice.
In europe theres a lot of that.
Often people just walk into a church anytime and light a candle, prayer and leave.
they could and may be only one there.
here seems most places are locked apart from the gathering hours?


I hope things will get better in this department.
One can also dine together after mass .
Every one can bring something. You may bake a cake everyone loooooves and such joy for you to see they love your baking and you lovehungrys salad etc.


Agree, something should be done regarding this.
For all religious temples, churches, mosques etc.
 

jb

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Why do you suppose so many people don't like/want to/don't go to church anymore?
Because the vast majority of them are spiritually dead, want to take people's money of them to use for unscriptural purposes, very formal, hypocritical...and so forth!

The Church today, bears very little or no resemblance whatsoever to the early Church that Luke writes about in the Book of Acts!

Yahweh Shalom...
 
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i just sent a post on an all atheist church. organized religion is just that. as you say , the people are the church not the organizations. we are instructed not to forsake the gathering of ourselves together esp as we see the day drawing nigh but that doesn't have to be in an established church. Jesus gathered people together on hillsides, shores and various homes. we gather together at c c . my favorite place to fellowship and pray right now. a direct answer to prayer since my conscience wont allow me to attend most churches anymore. the buildings are the same but the congregants and leadership are not. soon there will only be government approved churches as it is in other countries and true believers will be forced underground. the degraded things they do and exalt in organized religion are reprehensible. religion is already being touted as a mental illness in need of treatment
Amen! Your right.
 
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I'm just going to be honest here, and it's totally fine with me for those who will disagree. This just is just view from both personal experience, and hearing the stories of others who've been through things involving ''the church". These things, I do believe are the reasons so many won't go to church. There's true children of God, whom sadly won't go to church, or don't want to and wouldn't go if it weren't for gathering with the few other true believers, due to the overwhelming rate of fakes and such in the church.

I'm not sure which is worse, the fact there's so much hypocrisy, open sin, drunkards, drug addicts, idolatry, adultery, false teachings, worldliness, carnality, judging, condemning others, etc. going on in the ''churches'' today, which is such false representation of God, and of His body, which is the believers and children of His. These things are EXACTLY what pushes people away from God, away from church, away from true Christians, and away from the truth. I don't know if that's worse, or if this is: The fact so many true Christians and children of God, just leave the churches for sake of not being a part of it, and never return. I mean here's the thing, church isn't a building anyways, it's the people, so church can be held anywhere in all honesty.

The building aspect, is simply the place where the gathering is done, and we are told not to forsake the assembling together, but it doesn't stop there, the ministries needs to be taken out on the streets just as Jesus did. The thing is, it starts in ONE persons heart, when just one of God's children is willing, faithful, and obedient to step out on faith, take a stand for what's right, and puts things into action, amazing things can happen. Church can be held in a public place like a park, inside a restaurant, on a street corner, whatever. Then take those faithful few, diligently seek God, find Him, obey Him, let Him reveal to you what to do, and ''clean house" on what ''church'' is considered these days. You've got people that are ''pew warmers'' they just warm those seats, they love to sing songs, and feel great doing so, and showing off the donation they make, etc., however when the time comes for the message there's one of two issues: One:they aren't hearing what God says to them through the preaching of His word, or two:the one bringing the message, brings it of their self, not of God. Sometimes it's both issues, and you see the thing is, I know life's busy, difficult, etc. but don't allow that to take away from your time with God.

I love devotions, they're wonderful tools, but they just as anything else, can be turned into an idol and used as a means of procrastination, and a ''quick fix". They'll take a short little two minute or so reading, and if you're lucky, they'll expand on it. Still not ''their'' message, and not the message God intended on generally. That's not to say that God wouldn't ever use a message from a devotional, or anything else for that matter,however what I'm saying is this: God gives you a message, using whatever tools He desires, and He will speak to you about it. You must FIRST however, KNOW His voice and discern the spirits on if it's really Him. You must ask yourself, and most importantly God, "is what I"m doing the will of God for me, is this what He's telling me to do, is this the message He wants sent out to feed His sheep?".

It's so sad, and even just sickening to the point of disgust to see such stuff going on these days, it's time for God's people to humble themselves before Him like never before, and experience a true revival, that will shake the world to it's absolute core and ends, spiritually speaking. When the true children of God do these things, they can go and allow God to use them to take back what and who is His! True representation of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, true love of God shown, growing, planting, reaping, prospering in the relationship between God and His children, once they finally see the light, humble down, repent, and accept His will over their own! These things won't be in the church anymore, it will be restored, made clean, pure, righteous, in accordance of God, and everything she's supposed to be. Rise up ye generation of God's children, rise up with courage, don't be deceived by vipers, don't fear what man can do to the body, but not the soul, don't back down from the morality that you've held onto for so long!
Dont forget about the 501c3 contract these corporate churches sign with the government, which tells them what they can and cant preach against ( or lose their tax exempt status ) These corporate churches have made the state the head, and not the Lord Jesus. The Holy Spirit left these churches.
 
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I just hate to see such corruption going on, and ''in Jesus name" as they always say. Granted we know it will happen and everything, it's doesn't lessen the grievance it places in the hearts of God's true children. However, it does have a positive aspect in a sense, it pushes us all the more, to truly represent Christ, and see souls saved!

Oh and jb, love that... the signature for my text messages is Jehovah Shalom :D
 

jb

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...the signature for my text messages is Jehovah Shalom :D
Spiritual, physical and material, peace prosperity and wellbeing...(COMPLETE WHOLENESS!)...

Yes, it is one of my favourite covenant names of Yahweh! 2Cor 1v20...
 
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Spiritual, physical and material, peace prosperity and wellbeing...(COMPLETE WHOLENESS!)...

Yes, it is one of my favourite covenant names of Yahweh! 2Cor 1v20...

Yes! I recently bought a book called The Names of God, amazing book, absolutely brilliantly written, and it has been one amazing tool God has chosen to use which has grown and taught me very much. Knowing the names of God, and understanding them, using them not for the sake and purpose of seeming or feeling better than others, rather for the true purpose of greater intimacy with Yahweh, it's ever so wonderful. Honestly, after beginning this experience, I feel it's essential that one discovers and grows through such a blessed and precious gift that's offered to us.
 
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Siberian_Khatru

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Nobody wants anyone to preach a destiny that excludes anyone else. Besides, a relationship with Jesus is an intimacy that transcends ceremony.
 
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I will be going to a retreat with 20 others. We will have a Sunday School Class that everyone has to attend. There will be a level of behavior that is a bit above a secular gathering, but not much. The big highlight of the retreat is a shopping trip to a big mall.

I have wanted to live closer to the Lord, so I include ways God told the Hebrews to include Him in their day to day doings, some of the rituals scripture tells us are not the core of our worship as simply loving the Lord and others are the core. So I have added not eating "pig", not as a major part of worship but as a help. Last retreat I went to, I was told it was a terrible thing to do, they wondered why I didn't share the bacon dish. This retreat was at the beach, and I wanted to go to the ocean for a prayer time. I was told I must have someone with me, but everyone was too busy for quiet prayer.

I will be going for a vacation at the beach with a group of wonderful people, but it simply isn't a time to draw closer to the Lord together.

I can see that our churches just aren't working. We are to gather, we are to hear the word together. We are to praise God and worship together. But something isn't working!

I think that it is because, as individuals who love God, we do not make that a part of our everyday being. When God taught the Hebrews, he gave them physical ways to include Him in their lives, and told them those ways were to express their worship. Some of them did the physical without including the worship part. After Christ, scripture tells us to do the spiritual and tells us to have the physical follow. But we are human, so we are doing the spiritual but without any of physical acts the spiritual dies. In both NT and OT we are told to do both.