DOES GOD HAVE A HEALTH PLAN?

[overcomer21]

My father and grandfather both suffered from heart disease. I did not want to follow down the same path, but no matter how hard I tried to be healthy it just didn't work, I would eat healthy for a few days then back to McDonalds and other fast foods. I was always slim, about 140-150 lbs. I started to gain much weight from poor diet.

In 2008 I was 50lbs from my normal weight tipping the scale at about 200lbs. I would exercise religiously trying to lose the weight only to no avail. I knew I was primed and ready for a heart-attack soon as My father and grandfather both had them in their forties. After much study of the Bible I found the answer I was looking for!

Prayer much prayer and humbleness of heart, but not just random prayer it must be in the morning first thing:
Psa 5:3 My voice shalt thou hear in the morning, O LORD; in the morning will I direct my prayer unto thee, and will look up.

Pro_14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

After I began reading and studying the Bible I realized that I must allow the Bible to speak and get rid of what I thought was right or what I wanted to be right.

Notice a key word in Pro 14:12 "way or ways" Man has his way, which he believes is right, but it leads to death.
It must mean God has a way for us to follow!
Look at Psalms 67:2
That thy way may be known upon earth, thy saving health among all nations.
Also notice Psalms 77:13
Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God?

If God has a saving health plan and David tells us Thy way, O God, is in the SANCTUARY. Man's plan outside of the sanctuary will lead to death. When I learned this my life began to turn around. I realized that Satan wants man's mind to be cloudy not clear so they can not discern God's Word. How do you clear the mind? By living a healthy lifestyle, but not the way man thinks but how God designed it! When I understood this I wanted to live healthy not just to avoid a heart-attack and lose weight. I wanted to understand God's word and draw closer to Him. Every morning I would ask for His power not mine because that would be works, to overcome poor lifestyle choices. I tell you friends everything I longed to do before I knew God I was able to do, not by might nor by power but by His Spirit. My diet began to change, my appetite was held in check. My mind began to clear up and God's word opened up to me like never before, the weight started to fall off! Don't think this was easy we must have much perseverance, because Satan will do everything to stop you. I was told that I looked like an aids patient. Assaults came from all sides, family and friends. We have to remember if we have lived an unhealthy lifestyle when we go to God's Plan our body will clean itself up and yes we will get sick and may look unhealthy for a time until the body cleans up.

So what is God's Plan:

N-nutrition
E-exercise
W-water

S-sunshine
T-temperance
A-air (fresh)
R-rest
T-trust in God

God's plan will cure all disease!

 

[tourist]

I believe that God does have a health plan but that does not mean that there won't be illness and disease. His health plan is preventative and restorative.

 

[Depleted]

God's plan is to have himself a people who will worship and enjoy him forever. Only three times did anyone get off of earth alive. And once it was after dying a painful death on the cross. The Bible is no more a health guide then it is a zoology textbook.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

We are told out bodies are temples. So we should keep our temples in shape (so they can serve Him)
That being said, I don't think he cares whether you just stay normally fit or run a marathon every week

 

[JesusLives]

The original diet was fruits, grains, nuts and vegetables, after the flood clean meat was added. Moderation and exercise plenty of water and good night's rest will help a lot....

I need to practice what I know.... Good you are searching for God's way which is always best.

 

[mpaper345]

God does want us to be healthy,but sometimes we might have a health problem,which there might be a reason for that health problem.

1.People are disobedient,and because of that the Spirit cannot work in their life,as long as they are pushing their agenda when they are disobedient.

2.Lack of faith,or they believe they do not deserve to be healed,or that God does not want to do it.

3.God allows things to run their natural course,and will not always intercede at times,and Jesus said do not fear what they can do to the body,but can do no more,which is an indication that God might not always rescue someone that is attacked physically.

4.God said precious is the death of His children,for then they will be with Him,which if God has no more work for you to do,He might allow nature to take it's course,but if God has work for you to do,you are not going anywhere until God has no more work for you to do.

5.God might allow adversity,and sickness,as a way to keep you humble,or to rely on Him,for what is better you healthy as a horse,but straying,and not relying on God,or you having an ailment,and relying on God,and crying out to Him,giving you a closer relationship with Him,which the Bible says the Son learned obedience by the things He suffered,although we do not hear about Jesus suffering from any health issues,except the pain of being beaten,and the cross.
Paul said that he was given a thorn in the flesh,to keep him humble,because of all the revelations he was shown by God,which God was keeping Paul humble so He could use him,for if Paul got arrogant because of the revelations,and closeness to God,God could not use him,for God resists the proud,but gives grace unto the humble.
My friend has muscular dystrophy,and people might wonder,why is he not healed,or is God able to heal him,but if God healed him,what would happen,he might be chasing women,and start getting worldly,since he is able to get up and about,so it is better to be in a wheel chair,and not sin,then to be healed,and sin,but of course thinking about it you are just as guilty,but at least it will be less severe,and easier to beat,than if he was healed.
I am 53 years old,but I am healthy,and I mean healthy,which I do not like to brag,I hate arrogance,but I cannot tell the difference between being 18 years old,and 53 years old,but I have great genes in my family,to where I do not see people getting anything,so that helps,and also I try to keep myself humble,so God hopefully does not have to put me through any adversity.

6.If people do not take care of themselves,and bring on sickness to themselves,that is a result of them,then God might not heal them,which Jesus said do not tempt the LORD they God,which means,do not put yourself in a dangerous position,and then say God help me,but of course,if it runs in the family,like heart disease,or something serious,it does not matter if you eat the healthiest of foods,and exercise,it is going to get you,for something like that you cannot offset.
An example is Jack Lalanne,who exercised,and ate good,and did not eat anything man made,but only wholesome foods,who did thousands of push ups,and sit ups,lifting weights,and exercise,that would be obsession,and at 70 years old,swam 1.5 miles,with his hands handcuffed behind him,towing 70 boats,and 70 people,on those boats,that is how good of shape he was in,and he died at 96 years old,but his brother died at 97 years old,so it goes to show you that good genes with no exercise,and not eating the best,will outdo someone that exercises,eats superbly,but has bad genes,but of course both Jack and His brother had good genes,but his brother outlived Jack,so someone that has bad genes,and someone with good genes,the gap in years will be bigger.

It is not a guarantee that God will heal someone,if that person fits a pattern,or under a circumstance,that does not warrant them to be healed,which God has a reason why He did not want to heal a person,but I believe for the most part that God will heal people,but when I was at school,and exercised a lot,even kind of going overboard with lifting weights,so it kind of carried with me throughout my life,and with biking 20 miles a day back,and forth to work,unless there is too much snow,and lifting weights,and eating half way decent,and good genes,I got kind of an advantage concerning health,so I will keep myself humble,so God hopefully will not give me any adversity to straighten me up.

 

[Depleted]

God does want us to be healthy,but sometimes we might have a health problem,which there might be a reason for that health problem.

1.People are disobedient,and because of that the Spirit cannot work in their life,as long as they are pushing their agenda when they are disobedient.

2.Lack of faith,or they believe they do not deserve to be healed,or that God does not want to do it.

3.God allows things to run their natural course,and will not always intercede at times,and Jesus said do not fear what they can do to the body,but can do no more,which is an indication that God might not always rescue someone that is attacked physically.

4.God said precious is the death of His children,for then they will be with Him,which if God has no more work for you to do,He might allow nature to take it's course,but if God has work for you to do,you are not going anywhere until God has no more work for you to do.

5.God might allow adversity,and sickness,as a way to keep you humble,or to rely on Him,for what is better you healthy as a horse,but straying,and not relying on God,or you having an ailment,and relying on God,and crying out to Him,giving you a closer relationship with Him,which the Bible says the Son learned obedience by the things He suffered,although we do not hear about Jesus suffering from any health issues,except the pain of being beaten,and the cross.
Paul said that he was given a thorn in the flesh,to keep him humble,because of all the revelations he was shown by God,which God was keeping Paul humble so He could use him,for if Paul got arrogant because of the revelations,and closeness to God,God could not use him,for God resists the proud,but gives grace unto the humble.
My friend has muscular dystrophy,and people might wonder,why is he not healed,or is God able to heal him,but if God healed him,what would happen,he might be chasing women,and start getting worldly,since he is able to get up and about,so it is better to be in a wheel chair,and not sin,then to be healed,and sin,but of course thinking about it you are just as guilty,but at least it will be less severe,and easier to beat,than if he was healed.
I am 53 years old,but I am healthy,and I mean healthy,which I do not like to brag,I hate arrogance,but I cannot tell the difference between being 18 years old,and 53 years old,but I have great genes in my family,to where I do not see people getting anything,so that helps,and also I try to keep myself humble,so God hopefully does not have to put me through any adversity.

6.If people do not take care of themselves,and bring on sickness to themselves,that is a result of them,then God might not heal them,which Jesus said do not tempt the LORD they God,which means,do not put yourself in a dangerous position,and then say God help me,but of course,if it runs in the family,like heart disease,or something serious,it does not matter if you eat the healthiest of foods,and exercise,it is going to get you,for something like that you cannot offset.
An example is Jack Lalanne,who exercised,and ate good,and did not eat anything man made,but only wholesome foods,who did thousands of push ups,and sit ups,lifting weights,and exercise,that would be obsession,and at 70 years old,swam 1.5 miles,with his hands handcuffed behind him,towing 70 boats,and 70 people,on those boats,that is how good of shape he was in,and he died at 96 years old,but his brother died at 97 years old,so it goes to show you that good genes with no exercise,and not eating the best,will outdo someone that exercises,eats superbly,but has bad genes,but of course both Jack and His brother had good genes,but his brother outlived Jack,so someone that has bad genes,and someone with good genes,the gap in years will be bigger.

It is not a guarantee that God will heal someone,if that person fits a pattern,or under a circumstance,that does not warrant them to be healed,which God has a reason why He did not want to heal a person,but I believe for the most part that God will heal people,but when I was at school,and exercised a lot,even kind of going overboard with lifting weights,so it kind of carried with me throughout my life,and with biking 20 miles a day back,and forth to work,unless there is too much snow,and lifting weights,and eating half way decent,and good genes,I got kind of an advantage concerning health,so I will keep myself humble,so God hopefully will not give me any adversity to straighten me up.

God always gets what he wants.

 

[mar09]

Hi overcomer,
I see u are not a new member, but this is ur first post... so welcome.
Thanks for the share. I could only remember my father was so temperate, he would remind us most of those points in ur acronym. He did gain weight at some point, like 40s, from pictures i see, but i think he so wanted us to learn of balancing life like when we know how nice to have an extra serving, esp in fiestas or other gatherings when u are free to get more than u want... but later he was just like getting just enough work done in a day, eating resting having sports often on weekends. And there was this in-law spoken abt by another in-law, an sDA who she said also lived in moderation. They had their plants and animals they cared for, and was strong into ther 80s. Just passed away in their sleep.

 

[overcomer21]

Actually the original diet was fruits nuts and grains.

Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.


It wasn't until sin came into the world that something had to die.
Vegetables were given because they represented Christ. Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Also they were given because man would begin to sweat while working and in doing so lose vital minerals that are given through the root.
It was also given to humble man instead of always being upright and just picking from the vine, now man had to bend the knee to receive his food.

Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
Gen 9:4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
Gen 9:5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.

Flesh meat didn't come into to play till after the flood, one because there was no food on the earth, but also to shorten man's life span verse 5. Not only that but we see that a requirement for eating clean meat (had to be clean even though it doesn't say because there was only male and female of the unclean) is that you eat NO BLOOD verse 4. Many do not see or think this matters. Not only the blood we are not suppose to eat but also the fat was forbidden.
Lev_7:25 For whosoever eateth the fat of the beast, of which men offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, even the soul that eateth it shall be cut off from his people.
Also we are not to eat of animals that have a disease
Lev_22:8 That which dieth of itself, or is torn with beasts, he shall not eat to defile himself therewith: I am the LORD.

I know many will say well that was old Levitical laws but God says: Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Heb_13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Another thing is Hosea the end of chapter 3 and beginning of 4 God tells us in the latter days that the flesh would be taken away as the wickedness of man increases.


Hos 3:5 Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.
Hos 4:1 Hear the word of the LORD, ye children of Israel: for the LORD hath a controversy with the inhabitants of the land, because there is no truth, nor mercy, nor knowledge of God in the land.
Hos 4:2 By swearing, and lying, and killing, and stealing, and committing adultery, they break out, and blood toucheth blood.
Hos 4:3 Therefore shall the land mourn, and every one that dwelleth therein shall languish, with the beasts of the field, and with the fowls of heaven; yea, the fishes of the sea also shall be taken away.

We can see in verse three that God in the latter days is taking away flesh meat from the diet. Notice as it said it shall be taken away. When did God give flesh for food? Gen 9, but now because of the wickedness of man flesh is no long fit for food. I mean really do you know what is in there steroids, hormones and all kinds of vaccines. Not to mention if they have a diseased animal they rush it off to the slaughter house before it's to late, so they can still get money for it. To be honest how many really do not eat of the blood and fat when they eat flesh? Isn't it just easier to eat an apple or orange?

The Bible does not teach Moderation it teaches Temperance

1Co_9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
Tit_1:8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
Tit_2:2 That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.

2Pe 1:5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
2Pe 1:6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;



What is the difference?

Temperance means: to abstain from anything that is harmful and eat only that which is good in moderation.

Moderation means: You can eat anything as long as you don't over do it.

Eve practice moderation she only ate one forbidden fruit.
If God cared what they ate in a perfect world don't you think He cares what we eat in a sinful world?

 

[overcomer21]

Praise the Lord. I love the Filipino's and I have one for a wife. I have to say it wasn't until I understood the Sanctuary till all these things about health started to make sense. You know that is the doctrine (Sanctuary) that was given to the SDA's to give to the world. Which included health, but unfortunately more SDA's are dying of the same diseases that plague this world. However I'm going to do my best not only to share but live it out in my life that others can see the benefits of this wonderful plan God has for us!

 

[JosephsDreams]

Anyone who says the Bible is no more a health guide then it is a zoology textbook is truly ignorant about that aspect of the bible. Makes me think maybe even more than in that area.
Your on the right path, stay with it. The folk here on this site cover all the spectrum's, from the very knowledgeable, to the seriously mixed up.
The proof is usually in the pudding. I am 57 years old, and my blood work reflects that of a 35 to 40 year old.
Many people here who claim to know about what the bible says and doesn't say about health are desperately ill, many times because of there own doing.
I just ran 5 miles earlier today, in 42 minutes, and have a lot of energy. I am a vegan for 23 years. I have studied this subject and counseled many people for many years. Trust me, your doing the right thing. Don't be discouraged by any haters or negative or envious people.
Our bodies are our temples. It is true we are going to die, but that doesn't mean we should abuse our bodies along the way. You'll not only feel better, but you'll live longer too.
If you need any help with true discernment regarding the bible and what it says about health, PM me or ask me here.

 

[peacenik]

In the Bible wheat and barley are described as used for making bread. Unfortunately, both grains are poisonous to me. I have to use rice and maize (neither of which appear in the Bible) as substitutes for those products or I'll croak.

By the way, in biblical times cannabis was a widely used medicine by Egyptian doctors. I have read in the past that there is some historical evidence to suggest it was used by ancient Isrealite physicians as well. The Bible does tell us to use herbs of the field for medicine so there may be some truth to that.

 

[overcomer21]

In the Bible wheat and barley are described as used for making bread. Unfortunately, both grains are poisonous to me. I have to use rice and maize (neither of which appear in the Bible) as substitutes for those products or I'll croak.

By the way, in biblical times cannabis was a widely used medicine by Egyptian doctors. I have read in the past that there is some historical evidence to suggest it was used by ancient Isrealite physicians as well. The Bible does tell us to use herbs of the field for medicine so there may be some truth to that.

Leaves are for the healing of the nation Rev 22:2

Many things in nature are great topically for healing, but ingested will cause great discomfort. Cinnamon and black pepper are both irritants to the digestive system but used topically can bring great relief.

 

[mar09]

Praise the Lord. I love the Filipino's and I have one for a wife. I have to say it wasn't until I understood the Sanctuary till all these things about health started to make sense. You know that is the doctrine (Sanctuary) that was given to the SDA's to give to the world. Which included health, but unfortunately more SDA's are dying of the same diseases that plague this world. However I'm going to do my best not only to share but live it out in my life that others can see the benefits of this wonderful plan God has for us!

OH, great to hear about ur wife. Thanks for the vv in post #9 also. Got to review them.

 

[Miri]

I suppose the ultimate health plan A - is John 3 v 16

I think though that we are to take care of ourselves, it's difficult to
carry out the plans God has prepared for us to do if we are not taking care
of ourselves. There is another aspect though as well, Satan seeks to destroy
and if he can cause us to stress out, fall into dispair, depression etc (and there are
many and varied ways for this to happen) then poor mental health can be as bad, if not
worse the poor physical health.

Unfortunately the church which is suppose to nurture, encourage, help,
teach, have mature leaders to pray for others etc does not always act as it should and
people do not always act as they should in their individual responsibilities.

God is good though, and we have a great high priest who was tempted in all ways
and bears with us. If our plan B fails. Jesus' plan A is certain to succeed.

 

[overcomer21]

Ps 77:13 Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God?

God's way is in the sanctuary so all the answers are in the sanctuary. If we understand the sanctuary/temple given to the Israelite's we can understand how Jesus is working in the Heavenly sanctuary. Hebrews is all about the heavenly sanctuary.

You have three compartments in the earthly sanctuary

Most Holy Place
Holy Place
Courtyard

In heaven you have two compartments because the courtyard is the earth. The altar of sacrifice which was in the courtyard represents Christ great sacrifice for us.

There are three compartments in the sanctuary and there is actually three diet plans
1 Original diet: Fruits Nuts and Grains

That is in the Most Holy Place
Heb 9:4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

Ark of the covenant not only had the ten commandments but it also had the manna which represent bread (grains) Joh_6:58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

You have Aaron's rod that budded which budded almonds (nuts) Num_17:8 And it came to pass, that on the morrow Moses went into the tabernacle of witness; and, behold, the rod of Aaron for the house of Levi was budded, and brought forth buds, and bloomed blossoms, and yielded almonds.

In Ex 39 you have the garments worn by Aaron and he was the high priest which represents Christ. Where did the High Priest minister in the Most Holy Place! On the hem of the garment was a bell and a pomegranate (fruit)

In the Holy Place you have the diet after sin:

Fruits Nuts Grains and Vegetables

Exo_25:31 And thou shalt make a candlestick of pure gold: of beaten work shall the candlestick be made: his shaft, and his branches, his bowls, his knops, and his flowers, shall be of the same.

Flowers = Vegetables

Num_4:7 And upon the table of shewbread they shall spread a cloth of blue, and put thereon the dishes, and the spoons, and the bowls, and covers to cover withal: and the continual bread shall be thereon:

Bread = Grains

Exo_27:20 And thou shalt command the children of Israel, that they bring thee pure oil olive beaten for the light, to cause the lamp to burn always.

Olive = Fruit

Exo_25:33 Three bowls made like unto almonds, with a knop and a flower in one branch; and three bowls made like almonds in the other branch, with a knop and a flower: so in the six branches that come out of the candlestick.

Almonds = Nuts

In the Courtyard you have the Emergency diet which happened after the flood.

God allowed man to eat only clean meat with no blood or fat and had to be eaten within three days, because it represents the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

Courtyard = clean meat

We need to be where the head is and make our way spiritually into the Most Holy Place and get ready for the heavenly diet.