Gmom, my fight with Christianity

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Adstar

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Adstar,. Now I know the person you are, you are right, my walking away from Christianity was like a defence for me, I have read the Bible 4- times, but it's not enough, Everytime I find something I didn't read or comprehend the last 3- times, and it is amazing what people seem to believe even though you tell them its not scriptural, I have even asked them to read a chapter of where they can find the truth, but they jump to the defence of their pastor, and become very angry at me because I ( suggested otherwise ) , theyare not interested in reading from the bible, this is where i got into alot of trouble with this family,. I stand on what the book of the law says, ( the bible ) so don't tell me God didn't really mean that, ( my problem is, I feel most all Christians don't care anymore about standing up for God's word,). They only care about what everyone will say if you do,. Thats why I have few friends,
Do you know it is an Honor to suffer persecution for standing up for the truth of Jesus? :D

Acts 5 KJV
[SUP]40 [/SUP]And to him they agreed: and when they had called the apostles, and beaten them, they commanded that they should not speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go.

[SUP]41 [/SUP]And they departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for His name.

Matthew 5 KJV

[SUP]11 [/SUP]Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.



If we are standing up for the truth of Jesus then we should not get down hearted or feel abandoned because we are facing injustices and hate from those who are opposed to the truth.. Know that you are greatly Loved indeed..
 
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GMom

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Adstar, I must say that with true Christian support, encouragement, and knowledge of supportive scripture, gives hope to those in slavery of injustice the hope that we can keep going, ....My gratiest issue I fight, is trying not to hate, for the most part my dislike is at and all time high, almost to hate, I am looking for scripture that backs my right to hate, ( not just the sin & injustice but the people commiting it ) . Yep....That's were I am,. For me it seems like I am a magnetic device for Christian corruption, it always seems to find me, ....My greatest self punishment is..I know I am supposed to report it, and make it known, but I always seem to keep my mouth shut,. I think that is a sin,. And the Christians that tell me just to forgive them and pray for them, are shameful,. These people continue their corruption, that's the problem with Christians today, they are to lazy and weak, or self concerned. Worried about what someone will think of them, or being attacked, or even called names, we recoil, and are afraid to fight against croruption and injistice. This new year I have decided not to sit back and wyne with others about what is happening. I will expose what ever the crime is against ( the God I say I love, and his law, ) so instead of being attacked on the sidelines, I will go public, in the hope that there will be those that will fight with and for me,. ( that's just my hope ) ( everyone that reads this, don't tell me about my spelling, yes it's bad , and no, I don't care. you still know what i'm saying,. ). Thank you. Gmom
 
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Adstar, I must say that with true Christian support, encouragement, and knowledge of supportive scripture, gives hope to those in slavery of injustice the hope that we can keep going, ....My gratiest issue I fight, is trying not to hate, for the most part my dislike is at and all time high, almost to hate, I am looking for scripture that backs my right to hate, ( not just the sin & injustice but the people commiting it ) . Yep....That's were I am,. For me it seems like I am a magnetic device for Christian corruption, it always seems to find me, ....My greatest self punishment is..I know I am supposed to report it, and make it known, but I always seem to keep my mouth shut,. I think that is a sin,. And the Christians that tell me just to forgive them and pray for them, are shameful,. These people continue their corruption, that's the problem with Christians today, they are to lazy and weak, or self concerned. Worried about what someone will think of them, or being attacked, or even called names, we recoil, and are afraid to fight against croruption and injistice. This new year I have decided not to sit back and wyne with others about what is happening. I will expose what ever the crime is against ( the God I say I love, and his law, ) so instead of being attacked on the sidelines, I will go public, in the hope that there will be those that will fight with and for me,. ( that's just my hope ) ( everyone that reads this, don't tell me about my spelling, yes it's bad , and no, I don't care. you still know what i'm saying,. ). Thank you. Gmom
Wow, yeah, that is a big responsibility and it can be a difficult road, especially if you feel called or are led unwittingly to be a judge. Most people cannot afford it.

If you can see yourself getting involved as an activist or whatever really all I can tell you is count the cost beforehand.

Blessings.
 
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Adstar, I must say that with true Christian support, encouragement, and knowledge of supportive scripture, gives hope to those in slavery of injustice the hope that we can keep going, ....My gratiest issue I fight, is trying not to hate, for the most part my dislike is at and all time high, almost to hate, I am looking for scripture that backs my right to hate, ( not just the sin & injustice but the people commiting it ) . Yep....That's were I am,. For me it seems like I am a magnetic device for Christian corruption, it always seems to find me, ....My greatest self punishment is..I know I am supposed to report it, and make it known, but I always seem to keep my mouth shut,. I think that is a sin,. And the Christians that tell me just to forgive them and pray for them, are shameful,. These people continue their corruption, that's the problem with Christians today, they are to lazy and weak, or self concerned. Worried about what someone will think of them, or being attacked, or even called names, we recoil, and are afraid to fight against croruption and injistice. This new year I have decided not to sit back and wyne with others about what is happening. I will expose what ever the crime is against ( the God I say I love, and his law, ) so instead of being attacked on the sidelines, I will go public, in the hope that there will be those that will fight with and for me,. ( that's just my hope ) ( everyone that reads this, don't tell me about my spelling, yes it's bad , and no, I don't care. you still know what i'm saying,. ). Thank you. Gmom
Hi Gmom. You know your story sounds a lot like my Grandmother's before she died. She had a lot of anger and bitterness toward the church and other Christians. Just remember that if you let this continue inside of you then you will be no better than the ones you claim who are hurting you. Yes, as Christians we shouldn't let people step all over us, but at the same time we can't let their evils turn us into something God would hate. Remember God is going to have the final say when it comes to punishment.

You say you will go public concerning these people. Do you go public preaching the gospel? Sometimes it is easier to verbally condemn people than publically speaking about God. My recommendation is to truly seek Gods guidance on this issue and have a heart of forgiveness. Scripture does say to forgive our enemies. If you are going to start this battle then I recommend you do it not out of anger or hate but out of love. God Bless
 

RickyZ

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Spend a night patrolling the streets of Houston, Tx, and you will get to know the true meaning of the word "idiot".
I spent 35 years patrolling the streets of Southern California. I'll see your Houston idiots and raise you 2 Cali's ;)
 
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Dear depleted, Lynn,. My name is Amy. I lease from burke christian tours, in maiden n.c. ( are you the Lynn that works in the office, ??). Maybe not, I don't have any Christians, just tired of the actions of most, in my old age I have weakend with the ability to fight back, and fight for justice,. This new year, I decided, to open my mouth, and start fighting back,. Anyway your a charm, I need and want to move, but at this time in my life, it is financially, and physically, just almost the most horrible battle I will face, along with the fact that this so called Christian family, will look to retaliate, it's such a shame they can't just leave us alone,. Anyway. Thank you Lynn.....amy
I'm a Yankee (and disabled), so, nope. Not that Lynn.

I had to look up that company online. Did everything change last year? Because it sounds like Udean Burke was a good guy. Sometimes the children aren't.

And, yeah, I really do understand how scary speaking up is. I have to keep quiet over quite a few injustices because hubby needs those people. (Healthcare.)
 
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so many lessons to be learned here, and so many loving words expressed for a stranger who has touched
our hearts in many ways...
it's so very heart-warming that so many care about Gmom and what she has said her situation is...
this is where real Faith and Trust must come in, and I'm speaking about 'the ways of the world' that we must
deal with on a daily basis, as well as the worldly people...it truly takes a 'different mind set' in order
to accomplish anything in the world, and this is where our 'mettle' comes to light, in our actions...

we must 'step-out' and 'LOVE/TRUST', it's the only way...our Maker holds out His hands and we must
stretch-out ours to Him in any and all situations that come our way...throwing this world under our feet
and Trusting our Saviour is what our walk is all about, it takes raw guts/courage as we tear away and
leave the old behind,
but if we are real in our Love and Faith for Him and act upon it, He will never let us down,
His Holy guarantee is written in His Blood...
 

blue_ladybug

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No no, I'm not offended or angry at all. This forum is usually just used for introducing yourself. :) And yes,you were ranting but I understand because I have useless landlords too. LOL.. Usually topics like this get put in the Family forum, which is why I said I'd ask a mod to move it there for you.. After you've been here awhile, you'll see that I'm usually pretty direct and straight forward with people, as is Depleted (Lynn).. I often get accused of sounding rude or angry.. Sorry. :)

Blue ladybug,. You seem so angry, and you say you will have someone move me, why, you call it ranting, I call it expression, it was my way of introduction, it was just long winded, and crappy, yes, just was an honest way for me to enter this chatroom, thank goodness there were others here that replied in a different Manor, which was a kinder version I guess than your reply,
Having said that, just wanted you to know I fully understand your anger, for me I just wish you had a more calm approach, only because if the other Christians in this room had not answerd me in the calm Mannor they did, I would have just left. And maybe would have pulled away from Christianity for years more . I know I was upset but with good cause, and I still have issues. I am sorry you felt I offended you, I am sorry hope we can understand each other, I feel better today
 
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Dear adstar,. Thank you,. But fear not, I guess I failed to say that even though I backed away from Christianity, I just didn't want to be known as a Christian anymore because of the hateful, horrible, money drivin, steeling from the poor , has taken over in the Christianity, and at first I didn't want anything more to do with it.
But I love God, that will never change, I have only survived this long asking him to help and protect me.. I am just growing tired of the hardship and perral given to me from this millionaire family, that really believes, God loves them more because they have so much, thats fine if that's what they want to believe, but fact is scripture says there will always be the poor, and it never said to treat them unfairly, or harm them,. Anyway thank you. I do have issues I struggle with about Christ now, because of all the terrible things Christians that I have been around over the last 10- yrs, that made me walk away,. ( but that's why I am hear, I am trying, to find my way back ) gmom
I'm with you. I've tried walking away more than once, but there is no denying God is. And he's wonderful, so where else is there to go?

I just learned something today that gives me hope. I hope it gives you, at least, a smile of recognition.

"Patience - the ability or willingness to wait."

I thought I had none, because I am NOT willing to wait at all. (And God forces wait on me way too often. lol) But I am patient. Because that's an "or" not an "and." Ability to wait, I have. Willingness? Not yet. (Don't want to wait for that either. lol)

But we are still in the process of becoming more like God. Not a completed process. There is completed. That's called glorification. We're just being sanctified for now.

Question for you. Your fear is losing the grandkids, BUT you have at least one of your kids with you too. Any chance that kid is the parent to the grandkids? I'm thinking the state doesn't usually let parents and children become homeless. (At least usually.) The state helps people keep their kids if at all possible. So, can you take this to Children's Services? Assuming your grandkids have a safe environment in the home (not to be confused with your home is safe or your neighborhood and/or property is safe, because it sounds like the land itself is an accident waiting to happen), they may well put you all on the top of the list for Section 8 housing.

And, yeah, I know Section 8 isn't usually a good thing, but rather that then living under a bridge. Oh, and I did, at one time, work for a property management company, and their Section 8 was better than I can afford. (Their apartments were all in Center City Philadelphia, which is THE place rich urbanites want to live in, but since everyone -- including upscale landlords -- has to give some of their housing to social services people, they did have to take on Section 8 recipients.) So, it also doesn't mean the next place is worse. (It might, but at least, if Children's Services can help, they'd help the blood family that takes care of the kids.) This is more likely to work if your child (and I know the child is an adult), is also the parent of the grandchildren. If they can get a place, there is room for Gmom too.

(I can't financially help, but I have some stuff I've learned over the years that might help you anyway.)

As for the stuff you can't move? What "has to go with us" in our minds changes completely when push comes to shove, and we are facing losing everything. I was already planning on living in our car, and hubby was sick. I have 20,000 things in my house I absolutely love, but when faced with none of it will fit in the car, I suddenly realized what is truly needed and what is wanted. He absolutely needed a pillow and blankets to keep warm. (Most of the trunk already.) We needed a Bible. (We have several -- each.) I needed a couple of teddy bears. (I'm weird like that. lol) And the rest came down to a knickknack from my mom, an old laptop to hit the Internet, (to research who can help us), basic utensils to cook on a grill in the park near us, plates, cups, some food items, and clothes. My furniture isn't all that needed. When we landed back on our feet, furniture could be replaced. The stuff in our kitchen can be replaced. My photo albums, family heirlooms, and stuff we accumulated over the years, might never be replaced, or wouldn't be replaced.

Actually the only thing we would need that I couldn't get for free when we got back on our feet was a mattress. (I won't take a used one, because of dust mites and bedbugs.) Everything else could come through Freecycle.net.

So, I'm serious. This might well be God giving you what you don't think you can get anymore -- a new place. You don't know. You're still in process with God.

But, ask, and hopefully some of us can give you ideas on how you can go from here.
 

blue_ladybug

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Lynn, I'm in a section-8 approved building. For those on disability or low income, it's a wonderful asset to have..
 
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Thanks Lynn there is a 2_ yr waiting list for housing, I called them months ago,. i dodon't want housing, I have income, it's social security, I need another place I can afford, I keep my grandchildren, and their animals, it's difficult but I have done it for years, the many doctor visits, for my back fracture, and my knee,. 3_ MRIs, hospital visits, Dr. Visits, specialist, and therapy, that 20% of Medicare, can be alot when you fall on alot of doctor's, or a health situation, it took over a year, for me to go behind so far, but no one can control emergencies, but for years and years I paid their money, and even paid the upkeep, they should have paid, I just was hoping for Mercy, and relief,. But it hasn't come,. Yet
Yeah. Pets kills off Section 8. Nevermind.

Can you see if they'd accept partial back pay with each month;s rent? (This used to work more often when we were younger. It seems it's not a thing for companies anymore.)

Or, how about a Go Fund Me page?
 
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Blue ladybug,. You seem so angry, and you say you will have someone move me, why, you call it ranting, I call it expression, it was my way of introduction, it was just long winded, and crappy, yes, just was an honest way for me to enter this chatroom, thank goodness there were others here that replied in a different Manor, which was a kinder version I guess than your reply,
Having said that, just wanted you to know I fully understand your anger, for me I just wish you had a more calm approach, only because if the other Christians in this room had not answerd me in the calm Mannor they did, I would have just left. And maybe would have pulled away from Christianity for years more . I know I was upset but with good cause, and I still have issues. I am sorry you felt I offended you, I am sorry hope we can understand each other, I feel better today
Actually, everyone who responded to you, including Ladybug, weren't mean. (So far, all good people.) Ladybug is our resident go-to person on how to post so others will read. She sounds crotchety, but she's really not. Kind of like me. The term is "blunt."

If we're mad at you, you'll know it for sure. lol
 
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Lynn, I'm in a section-8 approved building. For those on disability or low income, it's a wonderful asset to have..
The waiting period is a killer though. GMom has two year. Around here, last I heard, it was seven years. What are people supposed to do while waiting?
 

blue_ladybug

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Actually, some Section 8 landlords allow pets, if they're considered companion animals. Our landlords here allow animals..But I don't know what the qualifications are for where she is..


Yeah. Pets kills off Section 8. Nevermind.

Can you see if they'd accept partial back pay with each month;s rent? (This used to work more often when we were younger. It seems it's not a thing for companies anymore.)

Or, how about a Go Fund Me page?
 
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GMom

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Lynn, the people that posted for udean were family or friends
** My experience with this jolly large man, and his wife,. †
They stole my electric, and when I caught them, udeans burke himself intemidated me to just shut my mouth, I came home early one day and udeans hired several men with equipment to rebuild the garage, I did not know they were running and charging their machines using and exstention cord plugged into the back of my trailer, I was livid with these guys, some of them Burke's, they called udean, my phone rang,. It was udean,. ( Amy I told the guys that they could plug the exstention cord in the back of your house,. " you don't have a problem with that do you.) I said Mr. Burke I was raised to ask people when you want to use something of theirs, not just take it..) after a minute, udean said they need to get back to work on that shead, are you going to cause them a problem, I said no, yes he was intemidating and Never in the 6- weeks they worked out there, charging tools ever paid for electric or reduced rent,. And used my shed to store their decorations and stuff
When they put up the electrical fence in my back yard 100' from my back door, without permission, ( udean and I agreed that it would go up way behind the big trees o. My property, but when I came in there it was, when I talked to him about it being so close to the door, and my smallest grandchild was 3yrs, I told udean that because my granddaughter was very frail, and if she touched the fence I was told by the county and medical department that if my granddaughter touched the fence it could stop her heart,. Udean giggled his jolly laugh and said ( well then she'll only touch it once then huh.) He just looked at me and I then learned the truth about these people, but I was dead broke from the relocation and supporting 4 people with just my social security, I tried to use scripture with this religious family but it only made them worse,
Not to long before udean died, I went into the office to pay rent, udean took it, he started bragging about how he had hired attorney's because the grandmother that raised the little girl, that is grandson had accidentally killed at a mailbox on the street because he was on drugs, he told me that he was leaving his grandson some Property and houses, but he couldn't leave anything to him until he paid off the grandmother raising her daughter's little girl, $250, 000, he said his attorneys were able to fight and get it down to $200,000. It saved him $50,000, he made such a big deal out of that win, I wanted to tell him, ( you sit there bragging to me about your accomplishments taking from that grandmother and small little girl, I think she is or was 10 yrs, you took a daughter and a mother away from a family, accident or not ( and you Bragg about your getting the price down for the death money) udean should take that check of $50,000 to that grandmother and child, and begg them to forgive him, " there is much much more about this jolly man"
 
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GMom

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I do know about section 8, you can find a house anywhere if the landlord will accept section 8 your good, I use to work for the housing authority years ago, here for some reason the section 8; process is so slow, I never filled because even though I struggled I still paid my bills, did alot of yard sale to keep us going, my daughter is in and out, my daughter has mental illness, she has not signed papers for me to have gardianship, and here In north carolina grandparents can care for and raise their grandchildren but have no rights, I after all the years I have cared for these children and my daughter, have just started the battle of getting guardianship it's going to be a battle, and I can not afford an attorney, as for DSS they are involved they are useless, I signed up with the federal government in 2014 basically for protection and help if needed, I am filling a report,
My serious issue now is either raising money to get the rent paid. But my hope is to raise enough money to afford me relocation, then I can look for another place for us to live, I have the children and their animals, so I want a home similar to what I have now,. I am so darn sad, that I should have to move, and that I just can not get this family to see they have serverly wronged us, I don't mind forgiveness, but they have to make things right, and let me live In peace, my sincere hope is their sin will devistate them, in Spirit, and they will see that they have done terrible, and change their way,
 
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I have tried and I want them to see they owe me far more than I owe them,
One thing is for sure, ** I Need A Merical Here*** even after all the terrible horrible things they have done, I could still forgive them, but they must make it right, and do the right thing, then again I surely worry about more RETALIATION,
 
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Oh my gosh reading that made me laugh haven't heard many others use crotchety darn funny,. Ladybug sorry I took it wrong then, but still have to say, other newcomers may feel as I did, I know now you mean well, I like your spirit and spunk and Lynn's verbal skills, you both must be an asset here I guess
 

Adstar

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Adstar, I must say that with true Christian support, encouragement, and knowledge of supportive scripture, gives hope to those in slavery of injustice the hope that we can keep going, ....My gratiest issue I fight, is trying not to hate, for the most part my dislike is at and all time high, almost to hate, I am looking for scripture that backs my right to hate, ( not just the sin & injustice but the people commiting it ) . Yep....That's were I am,. For me it seems like I am a magnetic device for Christian corruption, it always seems to find me, ....My greatest self punishment is..I know I am supposed to report it, and make it known, but I always seem to keep my mouth shut,. I think that is a sin,. And the Christians that tell me just to forgive them and pray for them, are shameful,. These people continue their corruption, that's the problem with Christians today, they are to lazy and weak, or self concerned. Worried about what someone will think of them, or being attacked, or even called names, we recoil, and are afraid to fight against croruption and injistice. This new year I have decided not to sit back and wyne with others about what is happening. I will expose what ever the crime is against ( the God I say I love, and his law, ) so instead of being attacked on the sidelines, I will go public, in the hope that there will be those that will fight with and for me,. ( that's just my hope ) ( everyone that reads this, don't tell me about my spelling, yes it's bad , and no, I don't care. you still know what i'm saying,. ). Thank you. Gmom
Well the basic Christian concept is it is good to hate evil but it is not good for us to hate the evil..

We are to love even our enemies..

But do we hate people in our every day lives??? Yes...
Can we make ourselves perfect beings and cease having those feelings??? No..
Why because we are humans given over to those emotional weaknesses..

Thats why we have the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ. If we acknowledge our sin ( in this case hatred for another person or persons ) to God and trust in the Atonement He secured for our forgiveness. Then all will be well for us in eternity..

Where people will truly stumble and fall into eternal damnation is when they try to justify their state of hatred towards others and seek to be justified whilst hating others.... If we hate others and do not acknowledge it as wrong to God then we are not asking for forgiveness for that sin of hating others, we are disbelieving Jesus, His teaching about loving our enemies..

Therefore how can we expect to have the atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ covering us for that sin which we do not even acknowledge as being sin?

Another point:: We do not have to hate the unjust and the corrupt to stand up and expose their injustice and corruption.. We do not have to hate the sinner to reveal to the sinner their sin... Like i am not hating on you for revealing to you that it is sin to hate others and that it is wrong to be seeking to be justified in hating others.. I am loving you by revealing this to you because i want you to see your error and thus be able to get right with God by acknowledging it to God.. I want you to be saved eternally...

So yeah go and expose the corruption and the faults people that have hurt you have been engaged in.. Hopefully some of them will be convicted in their hearts of their wrongdoing and they will turn to God and acknowledge their sins and have the atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ extended to them also..

See in the end if everyone is forgiven and saved then it will be a joyous day indeed for me.. Of course having read the bible i know that many shall not acknowledge their sins and they will not be forgiven in eternity :( But we should all say and do what needs to be done to at lest give ourselves and others an opportunity to hear the truth and accept it and be saved...
 
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pottersclay

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Gmom all you went through is why God blessed us with pistol permits.