when you see the ungodly succeed

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zawadi77

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why is it that some times we see the ungodly succeed.i had a freind of mine a few years ago,she was a non believer,she didnt even want to hear anything about God,all she wanted was going to discos and wild parties,unlike me who spent alot of time praying and fasting for God to intervene in my life.but i met this freind of mine recently doing really fine,she had gone for further studies and got a very big job and she is happily married,she even mocked me about still being born again,and honestly by the look on her u can really tell that she is fine.
well to be precise does any one have an answer to this
 
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Ugly

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Not sure why this is in the new user section since you aren't introducing yourself.

But show me where in the bible it says earthly success is promised to Christians. Show me where in the bible it says non-christians will not be successful.
It actually makes More sense that worldly people are more successful because we live in a fallen sinful world. So those willing to be immoral will work their way up because they will often use dishonest means to get what they want. They may also be more prone to spending more time working and less time on family priorities, whereas Christians are the opposite.
Worldly success is not the goal of Christians. Ours is to be focused on the spiritual. Jesus himself was a poor man. While being rich is not wrong, it does create a lot of temptation and chances to corrupt. So not having a lot is actually a benefit because we have less chance if pride and who or putting our faith in our money rather than God.
 
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zawadi77

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Ugly said:
Not sure why this is in the new user section since you aren't introducing yourself.

But show me where in the bible it says earthly success is promised to Christians. Show me where in the bible it says non-christians will not be successful.
It actually makes More sense that worldly people are more successful because we live in a fallen sinful world. So those willing to be immoral will work their way up because they will often use dishonest means to get what they want. They may also be more prone to spending more time working and less time on family priorities, whereas Christians are the opposite.
Worldly success is not the goal of Christians. Ours is to be focused on the spiritual. Jesus himself was a poor man. While being rich is not wrong, it does create a lot of temptation and chances to corrupt. So not having a lot is actually a benefit because we have less chance if pride and who or putting our faith in our money rather than God.
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but does it mean that we should lead a miserable life,God says that he will grant us what we want according to our hearts desires and dont really think that its the norm that some people shud lead a miserable life thats why we pray to him to better our lives,does it mean that the corrupt and ungodly are the ones to enjoy,are there no blessings that come from God ?i disagree with you coz i dnt think God wants to see his people miserable
 
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God gives peace. Peace comes from His Spirit and transcends our situation. When Paul was in prison for his faith He had "the peace of God that surpasses all understanding". When our happiness comes from our circumstances then our happiness is fleeting and not reliant on Christ.
And the best growth we have comes in times of suffering. People rarely grow during periods of happiness and prosperity. And since our personal, spiritual growth superceeds our worldly happiness I so not think God's priority is our earthly treasures.
Notice I did Not say God wants us all poor. Or that being poor is more spiritual. I simply stated that God is more focused on our hearts than our wealth. But God did say not to worry about our worldly existence because He will provide for us.

If a person is miserable because they aren't wealthy and successful that says more about their heart than God.
Many people are miserable because if their own choices and the consequences of their bad choices. Few ever take responsibility for such. Like a woman that has sex before marriage, gets pregnant then says "God why did you do this to me?". God didn't do it, she did it to herself.
We do not day to better our lives. If that's your idea if prayer then you are severely misinformed. Prayer is communication with God. And if all you have to say to God is "God do this and do that because it's what I want" then you must not have a clear understanding of the bible. Communication is not "gimme gimme gimme". It's two people talking and sharing and listening and growing closer and learning about one another in the process.
You disagree with me over something I never said or implied? I never said people should be miserable. I said our focus should not be on earthly happiness. That is a Huge skewing if my words.
And God grants us our hearts desires, sure. But you conveniently left out the part where our hearts are seeking after God's will first. God is not a magic genie who is here to give whatever we ask. That is unbiblical.
My guess is you are influenced by word of faith cultic teachings. An example of the "doctrine of demons" the bible speaks about.
Also there are plenty of well to do Christians. So this umverifiable statement that only non-christians get rich is just patently false.
 
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Have a read through the Psalms, David asked the same thing.

Here is an example. The answer is that the success of the wicked is a
false success. Material gain will not last, eternal gain is the goal.

Psalm 10:1-18 NLT
[1] O LORD, why do you stand so far away? Why do you hide when I
am in trouble? [2] The wicked arrogantly hunt down the poor. Let them
be caught in the evil they plan for others.

[3] For they brag about their evil desires; they praise the greedy and
curse the LORD. [4] The wicked are too proud to seek God. They seem
to think that God is dead. [5] Yet they succeed in everything they do.
They do not see your punishment awaiting them. They sneer at all
their enemies.

[6] They think, "Nothing bad will ever happen to us! We
will be free of trouble forever!" [7] Their mouths are full of cursing,
lies, and threats. Trouble and evil are on the tips of their tongues.
[8] They lurk in ambush in the villages, waiting to murder innocent people.

They are always searching for helpless victims. [9] Like lions crouched
in hiding, they wait to pounce on the helpless. Like hunters they capture
the helpless and drag them away in nets. [10] Their helpless victims
are crushed; they fall beneath the strength of the wicked. [11] The
wicked think, "God isn't watching us! He has closed his eyes and won't
even see what we do!"

[12] Arise, O LORD! Punish the wicked, O God! Do not ignore the helpless!
[13] Why do the wicked get away with despising God? They think, "God will
never call us to account." [14] But you see the trouble and grief they cause.
You take note of it and punish them.

The helpless put their trust in you. You defend the orphans. [15] Break the
arms of these wicked, evil people! Go after them until the last one is
destroyed. [16] The LORD is king forever and ever! The godless nations
will vanish from the land. [17] LORD, you know the hopes of the helpless.
Surely you will hear their cries and comfort them. [18] You will bring
justice to the orphans and the oppressed, so mere people can no longer
terrify them.
 
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zawadi77 said:
why is it that some times we see the ungodly succeed.i had a freind of mine a few years ago,she was a non believer,she didnt even want to hear anything about God,all she wanted was going to discos and wild parties,unlike me who spent alot of time praying and fasting for God to intervene in my life.but i met this freind of mine recently doing really fine,she had gone for further studies and got a very big job and she is happily married,she even mocked me about still being born again,and honestly by the look on her u can really tell that she is fine.
well to be precise does any one have an answer to this
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[1] Truly God is good to the upright,
to those who are pure in heart.
[2] But as for me, my feet had almost stumbled,
my steps had well nigh slipped.
[3] For I was envious of the arrogant,
when I saw the prosperity of the wicked.
[4] For they have no pangs;
their bodies are sound and sleek.
[5] They are not in trouble as other men are;
they are not stricken like other men.
[6] Therefore pride is their necklace;
violence covers them as a garment.
[7] Their eyes swell out with fatness,
their hearts overflow with follies.
[8] They scoff and speak with malice;
loftily they threaten oppression.
[9] They set their mouths against the heavens,
and their tongue struts through the earth.
[10] Therefore the people turn and praise them;
and find no fault in them.
[11] And they say, "How can God know?
Is there knowledge in the Most High?"
[12] Behold, these are the wicked;
always at ease, they increase in riches.
[13] All in vain have I kept my heart clean
and washed my hands in innocence.


[14] For all the day long I have been stricken,
and chastened every morning.
[15] If I had said, "I will speak thus,"
I would have been untrue to the generation of thy children.
[16] But when I thought how to understand this,
it seemed to me a wearisome task,
[17] until I went into the sanctuary of God;
then I perceived their end.
[18] Truly thou dost set them in slippery places;
thou dost make them fall to ruin.
[19] How they are destroyed in a moment,
swept away utterly by terrors!
[20] They are like a dream when one awakes,
on awaking you despise their phantoms. Psalm 73:1-20 RSV
 
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zawadi77 said:
why is it that some times we see the ungodly succeed.i had a freind of mine a few years ago,she was a non believer,she didnt even want to hear anything about God,all she wanted was going to discos and wild parties,unlike me who spent alot of time praying and fasting for God to intervene in my life.but i met this freind of mine recently doing really fine,she had gone for further studies and got a very big job and she is happily married,she even mocked me about still being born again,and honestly by the look on her u can really tell that she is fine.
well to be precise does any one have an answer to this
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well probably the simplest answer is this from the bible"'be not envious nor dismayed by those who seek not salvation,for they already have their reward" as in here on earth the people who do evil seem to great,but after this world they have nothing but the fiery furnace,HELL,just as in the bible it says concerning the wicked"let us eat,drink,and be merry for tommorow we die" you see the evil often are aware that there actions will lead them in death to Hell,but they "don't care" and thus are determined to do what they "want" as opposed to what God "desires" for many think that God is merciful or simply doesn't exist"for the fool sayeth in their heart that there is no God",because they can't see what blessings God has given them,such as health,and their very lives,where as we whom know otherwise,are aware of God's many blessings,"wealth of money" is the least of God's blessings,allow me to point out a few that are worth more than wealth,1.Your life and soul 2.your health 3.your family members are living and help you 4.if you have a spouse,if you have a child 5.A day that has more beauty than any painting! 6.A church to go to for studying God's word,All these are greater than the wealth of money,or even a job promotion,that's not to say that it's impossible for you to get such things but as it is written"God gives the increase" so though at the moment things might look grim,simply do for God first,by praying for the wicked,go to church to study the bible,help others to understand God's word and come to God and try to do right,like get and keep a job,because you must first have something for God to give the increase to,whether it be wealth,or knowledge,etc,so try not to dwell on their "quote success" for it is only for a season,when you do right for God he knows what your desires are and you need not ask for them,if you desire proof read of Solomon,david's son in the bible!anyways, Welcome here you can discuss with bible smart people and possibly make new friends,hope you like it here!!
 
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Delight thyself in the Lord, and He shall give thee the desires of thine heart. I think we simply don't delight in Him enough. Plus, it might take a while to see that God DID give you what you want. Looking back, I can think about things that I prayed for and thought God did not grant, like my grandmother getting cured of cancer and not suffer. She suffered, and was not cured- here. She is not suffering and is cured in Heaven. So, God gave me the desire of my heart which was for her to be cured and not suffer, only it was not the way I wanted my prayer answered at the time.
 
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JayBlue

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Yes, it would probably be a 'false success' as Muri mentioned before. I've seen things like this happen. Let me give an example. I live in LA, aka: Earthquake Country. And let's say a corrupt organization built their new buildings out of cheap materials, and most of the walls are just giant windows. And the building is very well decorated with random things inside and outside the building that are for decorative purposes only and are also made out of cheap but heavy materials.

Buildings like these are a hazard and 100+ deaths and injuries waiting to happen. And the people that have these buildings built are blinded by pride, greed and are so happy about what they have, that they don't even see the chance that they could: die, lose a limb, deal with a giant lawsuit, etc... That is what sin does. It blinds. A person could be happy about something that have, or be too prideful about it and then that person life could be ruined by a simple earthquake.

Sin was made to destroy those who sin. Let's look at your friend's situation.

Parties regularly, wild parties = getting drunk, getting drunk = damaging the liver with alcohol and shortening the lifespan and = future health problems. I'm sure that there are a lot of people in the world that regret things like drinking and partying. God says to treat the body like a temple for a reason.

Has a happy marrage? That could easily change. She and her husband aren't Christains, so they are very capable of screwing up the relationship, especially if one of them takes the relationship for granted

New amazing job? One word... Office politics. The higher up you are, the worse the politics are. The better job she gets, the more likely she'll have to deal with life shortening stress. And if she parties regularly, then she'll probably get fired...
 
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