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I believe it is a mistake for you to think that because Maxwel clarifies the logical outworkings of life origins that must necessarily follow devoid of God's plan, purposes, and design, that it translates into his not caring about people. In fact he took the time to make it so clear so you could not escape the bleak outlook that nihilism produces, the sheer pointlessness of it all. You care about others and treat those less fortunate than yourself with compassion and that is a wonderful thing, but clearly it is a perversion from an evolutionary point of view to waste personal resources on the weak and helpless. Nature makes sure to kill off those who cannot look after themselves first. That is what he is saying. Life without God is bereft of objective meaning, worth, purpose, and value. It is one grand cosmic accident. Furthermore, without the moral absolute of God, your morals are abstractly contrived. To point these things out does not mean they represent the beliefs we hold as Christians The highest moral standard in God's universe is love.

That's the problem - you need to obey them all, not just the easy ones.

We might just have to disagree that life is meaningless. Spending time making the world a better place is a worthy goal for all humans. I hope that you all can see that someday.

You seem stubbornly adhered to your insistence to misunderstand. Why is it that you can overlook my saying that the highest moral standard in God's universe is love? You have claimed also to have read the Bible numerous times. Did it escape in you in those readings that Jesus proclaimed love of God and your fellows to be the greatest of all commands, fulfilling all the law and prophets? ALL. Please do not overlook that. Naturalism does not teach that selfless kind of love, but survival of the fittest.

I adhere to exactly that. I love all people no matter who they are.

Im really not on here to argue about your beliefs or my beliefs. I am on here to ask questions. Seems like that is not working so far. lol

We might just have to disagree that life is meaningless. Spending time making the world a better place is a worthy goal for all humans. I hope that you all can see that someday.

And yet you deliberately pervert what I said! You act as if your naturalistic view is superior to Christianity when it has been plainly pointed out to you not to be because it underpins nihilism, but when we plainly point out the failings to you, you turn around and accuse us of holding the values your worldview promotes!

I'm certain that Magenta doesn't believe that life is meaningless. She is one of the most caring members of this site. Maxwell is very interesting also and harbors no hate in his heart.

Thank you Tourist, that is very kind of you to say, and you are likewise seen to be a very caring person, spending much time welcoming new members to this site, and offering words of encouragement to people in distress over their life circumstances.

Mr. Chicken Killer, just five days ago we had a non believer here promoting his views and asking questions, but when we asked him questions in return, he said, and this is a direct quote: I don't know why I feel I need to answer this, but it does irritate me to no end when people inquire about my beliefs. Especially when they're only concerned about proselytizing their own. I had simply asked him Where is your hope? In what or whom is it placed? Because he had specifically said he only had hope to sell. Here is my response to him.

Let me get this straight in my mind You come here to question us about our beliefs, but are irritated to no end when we likewise enquire after yours to get a better understanding of where you are coming from, so we can address what you actually think instead of making assumptions. Hmmm. There is something off in your approach and attitude, then. You may want to work on that

I have repeatedly asked about your beliefs, mindset, feelings, and inclinations (as have others), so to turn around and erroneously accuse all of us of desiring only to promote/proselytize our own is blatantly false.

However, your objections will not change my mind or my reasons for believing, which you seem to have constantly overlooked.

Your contradictions notwithstanding, since you come here to challenge what we believe, you really ought not be irritated to no end that we present our beliefs to you when questioned, and steadfastly stand by them with the passion we feel for them and He Who has engendered them. Please tell me that you really did not think that your presentation of the lack of experience with and understanding of God that you possess, should be enough for us to throw over our wealth of experience and understanding of God.

If you would like to work out the meaning and purpose of life without
starting a holy war, you may wish to examine your methods

First off you only know what I have told you. I have not accused anyone of anything on this site. I have only tried to have a conversation and ask some questions. I have no interest in arguing any of this. I am no position to question your views.

The question I asked was how do you deal with the violence in the bible. I have received 1-2 answers to this. The rest has just been something else.

When I was younger I was told there was a god and I just accepted that. I never asked any questions. Over the years I have started questioning a lot of things. Mainly my own political and religious views. Ive noticed I feel so much better depending on myself instead of just praying for things to happen in my life. Things also actually get done. I wont say the fact prayer does not work for me is proof that god does not exist but it makes a feller think about things differently. My life has really improved since I stopped believing in god. I personally have nothing against religion other than when it is used to inflict pain on others. Like what is going on in the United States. I truly believe the world would be a better place without religion. Look at how many wars have been fought over differing ideas. How many people have died because of this. I look forward to chatting with you folks, thanks for having me. Love Chicken Killer

You have the right to your own personal beliefs however there are many people including celebrities who have great lives & are on the path to destruction. If you are content having your best life now that's your choice. However no one will escape Gods judgement. I wouldn't lump you in with atheist however there are people who believe since they don't believe in God they won't be judged by him. In which case they will be surprised on judgement day

I think that this forum has had some times where atheiest come on here and want to argue with people. Instead of giving me a chance you have chosen to group me in with the atheist community. The first post confirms this.

Also I want to point out I have answered every question you have asked me.

Also I have not tried to convert anyone to my beliefs.

I am also not challenging anyone. I have simply asked questions.

I actually find this last post insulting and overly aggressive. I will have to ask that you and Max stop posting please. You are not interested in having a nice chat.

Thanks for the polite private PMs from the other people on here. I really appreciate the nice comments.

The majority of the post was given to illustrate a response to another person who complained about being questioned in return. Your accusation that I have not given you a chance is blatantly false.

I actually dont feel like I have overlooked anything. I have actually read through this section 3 times. Its really hard to answer and comment on every post but I have tried.

I haven't accused anyone of anything.

I never said I studied the bible extensively. I said I had read it and enjoyed reading books on the subject.