Ex-atheist, Ex-Msulim, now beleiving in God again, want to know about reliigions

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Lucy-Pevensie

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I don't know what you have written there and how that can help me. I know nothing about Christianity at all. Could you help me step by step Enoch? :)
Hi Maryam!

I wouldn't worry about that post from Enoch, he's needlessly complicating things. Speak to God in your heart. You'll find The God of The Bible is different from The God of Islam. He wants relationship with you on a personal level. Get yourself a Bible in modern English, Dutch or your native language. (you might as well understand what you are reading). They carry the same message. I highly recommend The Gospel of John for starters.

What is your native language btw? If you don't mind my asking. I'm just interested. Is the language of Afghanistan a form of Farsi (Persian) ?

When you search for God earnestly, you WILL find him! The Lord God Bless you!

I will give you this Bible verse, it's from one of my personal favourite books of the Bible- Jeremiah.

Jeremiah Chapter 29 Verse 13-14

"You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.I will be found by you,” declares the Lord"
 
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Maryam

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Thank you tourist. Can you help me learn more about Christianity and talk to me? :)
 

Maryam

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Afghanistan has two official languages, Persian and Pashto. I speak both. I do not want to convert to Christianity. I just want to talk to religious people from different religions to find out why they think the way they do and whether they can change my mind. I know nothing about Christitanity at all so I don't think I can read bible. I would prefer someone to tell me about the religion
 

Isny

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I don't know what you have written there and how that can help me. I know nothing about Christianity at all. Could you help me step by step Enoch? :)
Hello Maryam, it may be a good idea to visit a local church in the Netherlands. I would recommend going a little early before a Sunday church service and talk with some church members your age. Also after the service maybe talk to the pastor or make an appointment to talk with him later.

As for the church to attend, find one where you feel comfortable. I would probably visit first a conservative (less secular) reformed church like one of the Hersteld Hervormde Kerk (a Reformed Church). A smaller church might be better at first. Another church which I am somewhat familiar with is the Evangelische Broedergemeente in Zeist. Both churches are protestant churches. The last one has a very beautiful Easter Sunrise Service. Neither of these churches is a "high church" with endless rituals and such.

Perhaps I should not recommend a specific church but you do need a starting point. I only want to help. The idea is to start visiting around and find church members whom you can relate to and get active in the church's activities with your age group (day trips, charity work, etc.). Your profile page does not list your age. You will not learn about Christianity in a day or two: it is a life long adventure learning to be God's child and living the way He wants us to live.

Maryam, we wish you much happiness and God's grace. Should you wish to private message me, please do. I only want to help. Best Wishes Maryam!
 
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soberxp

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the Qur’an book
2chapter-62
2chapter-113
2chapter-120
2chapter-129
 

JPPT1974

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Hello and welcome. Feel free to post. As hope you can have kind Christian people to show you the ropes. God bless!
 

Adstar

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Welcome to CC Maryam :D

Christians believe in the God of Abraham..
Christians believe that God is perfect..
Christians believe that the way to obtain Eternal life with God in His perfect existence is by being justly forgiven all their sins / transgressions against the will of God..

So this is what is different between Christianity and most of all other religions.. Most other religions say that a person must make themselves good enough to enter into eternity with God. by doing good deeds and by avoiding doing bad deeds..

So in other religions it about them making themselves good enough..
In Christianity it is about being forgiven for all the things that make us not good enough..

This forgivness is obtained by believing the teachings of Jesus and trusting that the execution of Jesus "His death penalty" pays the penalty for our sins "The penalty of sin is death"

PS: Feel welcome to private message me if you wish to ask any questions and discuss this more..
 
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Lucy-Pevensie

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Afghanistan has two official languages, Persian and Pashto. I speak both. I do not want to convert to Christianity. I just want to talk to religious people from different religions to find out why they think the way they do and whether they can change my mind. I know nothing about Christitanity at all so I don't think I can read bible. I would prefer someone to tell me about the religion
Christianity can be very religious but the true core of it is spiritual rather than religious. It isn't all about rules and rituals. (though some can make it sound that way.) When Jesus asks people to 'believe' in him he means a deep belief in the heart rather than simply from the mind.

You can learn all about it in your head but if you don't engage with God yourself you wouldn't be a Christian.
 
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Hi...I am here to talk to people who beleive in God. I would like to communicate with them and talk about their beliefs in general. I only beleive in God. I do not beleive in any religion. I have a lot of questions and want to know what people of different faiths think about those questions and if my questions can be answered. I want to make some friends with whom I can talk openly and ask all my questions and discuss on different questions. I am a female living in the Netherlands, origianally from Afghanistan, 27 years old, working as assistant controller.
To understand Christianity in a nutshell, I think it's best to read the book of John
 

soberxp

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Afghanistan has two official languages, Persian and Pashto. I speak both. I do not want to convert to Christianity. I just want to talk to religious people from different religions to find out why they think the way they do and whether they can change my mind. I know nothing about Christitanity at all so I don't think I can read bible. I would prefer someone to tell me about the religion

the difference between Muslim and Christitanity that is Christitanity beblieve in Jesus .if you read your book,the Qur’an book
2chapter-62
2chapter-113
2chapter-120
2chapter-129
you will understand it well .(maybe some people don't agree with me here,cuz they never read the Qur’an book)
 

Noose

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Afghanistan has two official languages, Persian and Pashto. I speak both. I do not want to convert to Christianity. I just want to talk to religious people from different religions to find out why they think the way they do and whether they can change my mind. I know nothing about Christitanity at all so I don't think I can read bible. I would prefer someone to tell me about the religion
Christianity can be summarized as:

A perfect God who created everything there is. The creation can not be as perfect as the creator so the creation has to die off because only God is eternal. But God so loved man and wants man to live forever- so He has a plan to make man be in Him and Him in man so that man can live forever. He comes on earth as a man and saves man by giving man the right to be His son so that they are one.


It is also good if you ask specific questions in the Bible discussion forums.
 

Devoted2JC

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Hello Welcome to Christian Chat.

God Bless You,
 

Enoch987

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Hello Maryam.
People on this site generally support the Triune God, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
All 3 are God and each 1 is God.
This is the historical view of Christianity.

There is a view of God called modalism.
This is God in 3 modes, God of the Old Testament, Jesus and then the Holy Spirit in the New Testament.
Often believers in Jesus of this type are called Oneness Pentecostals because they practice speaking in tongues which means they speak in foreign languages. They call it heavenly languages.

My view which is a minor view, very minor, is Jesus is God's firstborn son.
It says that in the New Testament but Trinitarian Christianity frowns of interpreting firstborn son as the Bible defines it.
It means the chosen Son which the Old Testament shows is usually the last born son.

Abram had one son by Hagar, This son was named Ishmael.
Abram was renamed Abraham by God. He had a son by his wife Sarah. His name was Isaac.
Isaac is what is called an archetype of Jesus because Abraham was willing to sacrifice Isaac on an altar.
Instead God supplied a ram with it's horns caught in a thicket after God tested Abraham to know if Abraham trusted God and would do what God said.

All Christians believe that we have salvation from death and sin into eternal life through Jesus who is God's Son.
The Trinitarian believer will say that Jesus is God and is God's son, that the Father and the Son had a relationship like in a family before the world was created. They will also say that unless a person believes that Jesus is God and accepts that Jesus died for there sins, they cannot have eternal life.
This is very close to what I believe.
But 2 Corinthians 5:19 reads that God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself.
God working through the sinless Son (Jesus) did the work for our salvation.
Our part is to believe this and accept as Jesus as our Lord.
This is different than the 5 pillars of Islam which require the Muslim to perform them every day and even then he or she is not sure that Allah will forgive him.
The Christian God has to follow His rules so he never lies. He keeps his promises.
As I understand it, Allah is all powerful which means that Allah is above the laws of righteousness.
This is what I have been told about Islam.
 

Magenta

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Abram had one son by Hagar, This son was named Ishmael.
Abram was renamed Abraham by God. He had a son by his wife Sarah. His name was Isaac.
Isaac is what is called an archetype of Jesus because Abraham was willing to sacrifice Isaac on an altar.
Instead God supplied a ram with it's horns caught in a thicket after God tested Abraham to know if Abraham trusted God and would do what God said.
Isaac is also the child of promise, whereas Ishmael is/was not. However, the Islamic view is that Ishmael is the child of promise, though Scripture says In Galatians 4, believers in Christ are like the child born of Sarah, meaning, they are free as the result of God’s promise, while those who try to earn their salvation by their own works are like the child born of Hagar, meaning they are a slave, and the result of human effort. Ishmael was born as the result of human effort.

... the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
 
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When we look at the original scripts it was written in Hebrew. Some Muslims claimed that they had documents from way before Christ but when they did some carbon dating on these documents they realised that the documents were dated 300 ACE.

If we were to discuss authenticity it is easy to see why the Bible is the correct choice every time.
 

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When we look at the original scripts it was written in Hebrew. Some Muslims claimed that they had documents from way before Christ but when they did some carbon dating on these documents they realised that the documents were dated 300 ACE.

If we were to discuss authenticity it is easy to see why the Bible is the correct choice every time.
Not only is the bible the correct choice it is really the only choice.
 

Enoch987

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Isaac is also the child of promise, whereas Ishmael is/was not. However, the Islamic view is that Ishmael is the child of promise, though Scripture says In Galatians 4, believers in Christ are like the child born of Sarah, meaning, they are free as the result of God’s promise, while those who try to earn their salvation by their own works are like the child born of Hagar, meaning they are a slave, and the result of human effort. Ishmael was born as the result of human effort.


... the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
Yes, what you write is true but from the Muslim view, for God to not choose the son who is born first as the firstborn son is wrong. Hannah's prayer (she was the mother of Samuel), "God sets beggars up as kings" is upsetting to one Muslim that I have heard of. A beggar remains a beggar and a king remains a king in the Muslim's understanding.
He was okay with the entire old testament until he started reading about Samuel.
Honor is important to Muslims.
 
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Hello Maryam, As-Salaam-Alaikum and Welkom,

I only joined this site recently and I think it's really wonderful that you are interested in exploring different beliefs in your quest for a higher understanding and Truth. Clearly there is something inside you-- in your heart, your soul, that is drawn by a deep spiritual yearning and magnetized by the power of God in seeking after Him. I truly do understand what it is like to be in the same place of searching, questioning, doubting, feeling curiosities about the Big Picture of the Universe and Reality. There is something in you yet to be fulfilled and you have not yet arrived on the solid ground of certainty or faith. Believe me I know this all too well.

Even now I still wobble around in my journey with the Lord, struggling to attain the fullness of peace that comes with total surrender to God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. I waver, I stall, I stumble, and I succumb to the negative forces that can begin to push me astray. But I do not flee, I do not reject, I do not turn my back-- I refuse to forsake my earnest desire to know the Lord and follow His will, in spite of any hardship or roadblock that may temporarily hinder my progress. I have gone astray before, far astray, indeed for a number of years I wandered aimlessly in a wilderness of spiritual ambiguity, looking for Truth here and there, under any stone, inside any cavern or any cellar I could find. An insatiable longing to be close to God never left me, but I was lost in a gray no-man's land of bedeviling confusion, grappling with a slew of unanswered questions, drifting further from the Light as my heart grew emptier, as I muddled my spirit and poisoned my mind with numbing agents, drugs, alcohol, obscuring my world in escapist fantasies and false promises of satisfaction. Quick fixes that offered no hope. No salvation. No joy.

What once was a gray valley of uncertainty had darkened into a desert pit of total despair. I crumbled. Fell apart. My will to live shriveled up over a long period of solitude and exceeding turmoil. I had lost all touch with God, lost all traces of the Light, I collapsed at the edge of the abyss and stared long and hard into it, contemplating whether I should take the fatal plunge.
But I am still here. I have reversed the course of my spiritual downward spiral, and while I am still intensely suffering, battling with all kinds of hurt and heartache and life obstacles, I have completely accepted my need for God. I have run back to Him. I have called upon Him and confessed my sickly condition of disrepair. I continue to pray and pray, continue to surrender and fight to stay constant in my surrender while I seek greater wisdom to discern the Lord's will for my life. For me the answer is in Christ.

My faith was long dormant-- but the hungering of it was always felt. It has gone through a long period of gestation and is now beginning to germinate. I am finding myself closer to God, finding my world brightened, my life more secured in God's strength. My journey is far from over and I am still hoping that soon enough my faith will begin to flourish.
I am happy to share anything with you that I have learned from my long, ongoing spiritual journey. I would be more than happy to offer my perspective about anything you wish to gain a better understanding of.
It is good that you have taken the step to come here. I believe there is a reason for this. Continue to seek, seek fervently, the Lord will bless you in your search. For so it is written:


- "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you" (Matthew 7:7)

What we call the beginning is often the end
And to make and end is to make a beginning.
The end is where we start from.

With the drawing of this Love and the voice of this Calling
We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.

Through the unknown, unremembered gate
When the last of earth left to discover
Is that which was the beginning;
At the source of the longest river
The voice of the hidden waterfall
And the children in the apple-tree

Not known, because not looked for
But heard, half-heard, in the stillness
Between two waves of the sea.
Quick now, here, now, always--
A condition of complete simplicity
(Costing not less than everything)
And all shall be well and
All manner of thing shall be well
When the tongues of flames are in-folded
Into the crowned knot of fire
And the fire and the rose are one.


from T.S. Eliot's Four Quartets,"Little Gidding"
 

Maryam

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Hi Enoch987.
Could you tell me more about it in a conversation? :)
 

Deade

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Yes, what you write is true but from the Muslim view, for God to not choose the son who is born first as the firstborn son is wrong. Hannah's prayer (she was the mother of Samuel), "God sets beggars up as kings" is upsetting to one Muslim that I have heard of. A beggar remains a beggar and a king remains a king in the Muslim's understanding.
He was okay with the entire old testament until he started reading about Samuel.
Honor is important to Muslims.
Well we are given many occasions where the first born was supplanted by a younger sibling. Ismael/Isaac - Esau/Jacob - Reuben/Joseph - the breach between Pharez and Zerah.

Even the sons of Joseph that carry the name of Israel, Manasseh was supplanted by Ephraim.

This was all to picture the blessing going to the second Adam, Jesus.

 
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