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kennethcadwell

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I think it would be better to leave this guy alone and move on. What does being Christian mean anyway? It means to be like Christ. Do you think Jesus would attack someone for believing different then he would? No, Jesus would love on them and encourage them and welcome him with open arms. Something I remember from Sunday School WWJD.

Yes there is an old motto I like that I believe works for Christianity;

If you can't say something nice, don't say nothing at all..................
 
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the_last_gunslinger

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Jesus said he was God.
Mormons believe he was not God incarnate, that he was just a man.
I don't understand. Mormons DO believe Jesus is God...

He wasn't just some man.

Believe what you will about me. I'll show by example my motives are sincere.
 

maxwel

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Yes there is an old motto I like that I believe works for Christianity;

If you can't say something nice, don't say nothing at all..................
That's lovely for social settings.
But that isn't in the bible, and it isn't even a biblical idea.
Why?
Because "nice" is a relative term... it can mean anything, or nothing.

In the bible we are rather commanded to deal in "truth".

Now, we can certainly deal with truth politely, or impolitely...
but nonetheless the focus is on TRUTH.

John17:17 "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."


Jesus called the Pharisess vipers and hypocrites... gosh... that doesn't sound very nice.


Lets just stick to the bible.
 
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kennethcadwell

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Jesus said he was God.
Mormons believe he was not God incarnate, that he was just a man.

Jesus would have a HUGE problem with that.

The pharisees said Jesus wasn't God, and Jesus was always attacking the Pharisees.

So... instead of getting mad at me... lets just use the scripture to assess things.


I'm not "hating" on this guy... I'm just saying that he essentially admits he's here under false pretenses to do Mormon apologetics. Do whatever you want with that.

Yes we know this about Mormonism, yet you see what you are doing.
You are attacking his doctrine by pointing out the falsehoods in it before he does any attacking of the doctrine in Christ that we go by.

Lord Jesus called the Pharisees brood of vipers, and called them out because they twisted the word of God and imposed and forced it on others to follow. Seeking self gratification and financial gain in the process.

If this Mormon does not come in here and try and force his ways on others and is just truly seeking answers then we must help him out to see the truth. If the original Apostles and their understudies that lead the early church just sat back and did not help others out in the truth and ran them off immediately; None of us now days would be saved, as nobody after them would have been given the truth of Jesus Christ.
 
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kennethcadwell

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That's lovely for social settings.
But that isn't in the bible, and it isn't even a biblical idea.
Why?
Because "nice" is a relative term... it can mean anything, or nothing.

In the bible we are rather commanded to deal in "truth".

Now, we can certainly deal with truth politely, or impolitely...
but nonetheless the focus is on TRUTH.

John17:17 "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."


Jesus called the Pharisess vipers and hypocrites... gosh... that doesn't sound very nice.


Lets just stick to the bible.

Read post 24 as I showed why the Lord said that to the Pharisees......


Second the bible says we are called to love Him, others, and even our enemies.
And it says to do good to those who persecute us, not belittle and badger them. We are called to point out the truth in scripture to them in brotherly love. Sanctify them through the truth does not mean do it in a unedifying manner. As we are called to lift up and esteem others in the truth, and not tear them down with it.
 

maxwel

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Yes we know this about Mormonism, yet you see what you are doing.
You are attacking his doctrine by pointing out the falsehoods in it before he does any attacking of the doctrine in Christ that we go by.

Lord Jesus called the Pharisees brood of vipers, and called them out because they twisted the word of God and imposed and forced it on others to follow. Seeking self gratification and financial gain in the process.

If this Mormon does not come in here and try and force his ways on others and is just truly seeking answers then we must help him out to see the truth. If the original Apostles and their understudies that lead the early church just sat back and did not help others out in the truth and ran them off immediately; None of us now days would be saved, as nobody after them would have been given the truth of Jesus Christ.
Previously...

I clearly pointed out, in detail,
that in his opening post he essentially contradicts himself,
and clearly tells us why he is REALLY here.

He already told us, inadvertently, what he is really up to.


Wishing it away won't change it.
He has ALREADY PROVEN to say contradictory things, and to be disengenious...
right in his opening post.

Really... we need to start LISTENING to what people say.
 

maxwel

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Read post 24 as I showed why the Lord said that to the Pharisees......


Second the bible says we are called to love Him, others, and even our enemies.
And it says to do good to those who persecute us, not belittle and badger them. We are called to point out the truth in scripture to them in brotherly love. Sanctify them through the truth does not mean do it in a unedifying manner. As we are called to lift up and esteem others in the truth, and not tear them down with it.
It is not "belittling" or "badgering" someone, to point out false doctrine or to point out someone who is SPREADING FALSE DOCTRINE INTENTIONALLY.
Actually... we are to notice these people, and point them out to others... for everyone's benefit.

Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.


Again... we should really just stick to the bible.

In fact, I won't even point out that your whole thing about "badgering" isn't a bible concept either.
That word, or idea, isn't found anywhere in scripture.
You may be right about it... but it just isn't anywhere in the bible.
We would all do better just stick to the bible, and bible concepts.
 
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kennethcadwell

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Previously...

I clearly pointed out, in detail,
that in his opening post he essentially contradicts himself,
and clearly tells us why he is REALLY here.

He already told us, inadvertently, what he is really up to.


Wishing it away won't change it.
He has ALREADY PROVEN to say contradictory things, and to be disengenious...
right in his opening post.

Really... we need to start LISTENING to what people say.

Like I said where do you get that from his OP???

He openly admitted his affliation, and stated he is not going to discuss it unless asked.

He said he wanted to know different peoples opinions on scriptures so that he can have more understanding.

He said in a manner that he would try to keep to the rules of the this site.

Nothing in his OP yet suggest that he is coming in here just to win people over to Mormonism, or even to force his ways on others. Those who worry about such things taking place must have as security issue within themselves when it comes to their faith, because to worry about such things taking place has already placed oneself in sin. As worry is a sin....
 
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kennethcadwell

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It is not "belittling" or "badgering" someone, to point out false doctrine or to point out someone who is SPREADING FALSE DOCTRINE INTENTIONALLY.
Actually... we are to notice these people, and point them out to others... for everyone's benefit.

Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.


Again... we should really just stick to the bible.

In fact, I won't even point out that your whole thing about "badgering" isn't a bible concept either.
That word, or idea, isn't found anywhere in scripture.
You may be right about it... but it just isn't anywhere in the bible.
We would all do better just stick to the bible, and bible concepts.

Yes we should just stick to the bible, as he has not come in here doing either.
He has not started spreading a false doctrine yet, and he has not tried to cause divisions yet either. Those who cause divisions are those who drive people away before even trying to talk to them and give them the truth. This is the reason why denominations are wrong and unbiblical, because they cause division and strife among each other.

Ok we agree Mormonism is a false doctrine, yet did Jesus turn people away who did wrong or did He sit with sinners and teach them the truth ?

Yes we are to notice the people who cause division and teach false doctrine and point it out, but we are not told to do it before the person even starts doing those things.
 

maxwel

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Like I said where do you get that from his OP???

He openly admitted his affliation, and stated he is not going to discuss it unless asked.

He said he wanted to know different peoples opinions on scriptures so that he can have more understanding.

He said in a manner that he would try to keep to the rules of the this site.

Nothing in his OP yet suggest that he is coming in here just to win people over to Mormonism, or even to force his ways on others. Those who worry about such things taking place must have as security issue within themselves when it comes to their faith, because to worry about such things taking place has already placed oneself in sin. As worry is a sin....
I gave a very brief but logical analysis of some of his opening statement.

His intentions and motives are very clear, and he admits to them... it's all wrapped up in the language surrounding his denials of the same.

I went over it, pointed it all out, and it's extremely simple and clear.


If you just don't like it... then that's fine.

No problem.

You guys have fun.
: )
 
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VioletReigns

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I gave a very brief but logical analysis of some of his opening statement.

His intentions and motives are very clear, and he admits to them... it's all wrapped up in the language surrounding his denials of the same.

I went over it, pointed it all out, and it's extremely simple and clear.


If you just don't like it... then that's fine.

No problem.

You guys have fun.
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Brother Maxwel, I totally get where you're coming from and am in agreement with you. It's written in God's Word, "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed." And with your knowledge of the Mormon religion you'd think people would get a clue. Oh well.... "like waves tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine." :(
 
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VioletReigns

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Okay, just so it's out there in the open, I am hereby declaring my affiliation to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, ie Mormon. That being said, rest assured, I have no desire whatsoever to promulgate my faith or seek to convince others of its veracity. I have come here in the spirit of interfaith dialogue and understanding. I have found myself embroiled of late in various discussions with 'mainstream' Christians, and though I believe there is much more we have in common than we might think, our differing philosophies often lead us to talk past one another. Therefore, I feel it would be a benefit to me to seek insight and information from other Christians so that I might increase my understanding of your faith.

I am primarily interested in how Christians view certain scriptures and general overviews of primary theologies for which there is no corollary in my church. I understand the rules and I will do my best to keep from promoting my beliefs, and will rarely comment on them unless asked by another, or in order to explain my reasons for a particular inquiry. I hope that is alright.

Anyways, this place looks active, and its members, knowledgeable. I am looking forward to my time here and hope it is both prosperous and pleasurable.

People, this individual just told you straight out he is not interested in hearing about the Lord Jesus. He wants to discuss religion with "mainstream" Christians. (HUH???) This is a Christian site where we fellowship with our brothers & sisters in Christ and also share the Gospel with people seeking Jesus Christ the Lord as their Savior. Not people declaring some other doctrine.

And would someone please tell me what the spirit of interfaith dialogue is?! That sounds to me like the spirit of the New Age or some other anti-Christ spirit. Anddddddddddd..... I'm outta here!


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blue_ladybug

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this forum is for new members to introduce themselves..you wanna debate, go to the bible forum..
 
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kaylagrl

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Gunslinger if you're still here I'd like to know what Scriptures you are talking about.Which you need clarity on.Perhaps a thread in the Bible discussion forum will help.Then we can discuss more thoroughly.
 
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the_last_gunslinger

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Gunslinger if you're still here I'd like to know what Scriptures you are talking about.Which you need clarity on.Perhaps a thread in the Bible discussion forum will help.Then we can discuss more thoroughly.
There are a few off the top of my head. I won't post them here, though. Not the appropriate forum. Once I formulate adequate questions that might prompt some discussion, I will post them in the Bible Discussion forum.

Somehow, this thread got way off topic. For that, I apologize.
 
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Tintin

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Good Mormon to you, the_last_gunslinger! Admittedly, I've only read the first book in "The Dark Tower" series, but I really should read the rest. Welcome.
 

tourist

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Good Mormon to you, the_last_gunslinger! Admittedly, I've only read the first book in "The Dark Tower" series, but I really should read the rest. Welcome.
I've read the first four books of the series but that was years ago. The books are worth reading.
 

jsr1221

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this forum is for new members to introduce themselves..you wanna debate, go to the bible forum..
To be fair, all the OP did was introduce himself. It was a certain member on here that then turned a simple post into a debate.
 

jsr1221

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There are a few off the top of my head. I won't post them here, though. Not the appropriate forum. Once I formulate adequate questions that might prompt some discussion, I will post them in the Bible Discussion forum.

Somehow, this thread got way off topic. For that, I apologize.
Almost every post in the Bible discussion forum goes off the deep end. This is the first time I've seen it happen in the intro section. Welcome to CC, and I hope you find the answers that you're looking for!
 
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posthuman

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welcome!

don't be surprised by the sparks,

to us, it is as if you came in the door and said,

"hi folks! i follow a false prophet! but don't worry, won't be spreading any heresies!
looking forward to having a great time, yay!"

but no one comes that isn't drawn, so nice to see you here!