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Hello all,
Following is my testimony. I figure that's the best way to introduce myself. I usually hang out in the Bible Study room.
I was saved in 1985 after going through a long bout of anxiety and depression.
This bout of anxiety and depression started after I was blocked from entering my chosen profession, being a police officer or military officer. I had been looking forward to this career since childhood. My thought at the time was, there's no way I can be a part of these professions now, so what use was my life to me?
The anxiety and depression went on for months. I remember planning to wire both triggers of a double barrel shotgun together and then shoot myself.
Instead of doing this, I knelt beside the bed and told God that he could have my life if he could use it..if not I was gong to kill myself to avoid the anxiety and depression. God answered my prayer for deliverance at that time.
I experienced a great level of peace at that time. I attended a few Baptist churches but I didn't seem very comfortable with their worship style or biblical knowledge...not the ones I attended anyways. I contacted a pastor at a church called Worldwide Church of God, because my mom attended there.
I met with the pastor and talked to him about some of the issues I was having. I started attending church there and liked their teaching style, although later I learned they had poor doctrine in a lot of areas.
I spent some months praying, studying Scripture and fasting. My state of mental well being increased immensely over that time.
On one morning, maybe 4 months later, God caused my sins to be mentally replayed to me, along with the words of the Scripture, to convict me of my sins.
I came to a point where I understood my sins, after my veneer of self righteousness was broken, and asked God to apply the sacrifice of Jesus Christ to my sins. I sensed the presence of God that day, ... a warm, glowing, loving presence, and it lasted for at least 3 days very intensely. I have felt it intensely since then, but not as strong as that particular day usually.
After being saved, I continued attending Worldwide Church of God. They taught poor doctrine, particularly in that they taught strict Saturday Sabbath keeping and other elements of the Old Covenant as being applicable to Christians.
Here are some of the major doctrinal beliefs that WCG had at one time or another while I was there (PLEASE NOTE THAT I NO LONGER BELIEVE THESE):
1. Christians were literally to become members of the God family, which is what they called the Godhead. Their human life and their overcoming of sins was for the purpose of qualifying them for salvation, and becoming a god being, to rule over their own planet. The Christian was viewed as being given only conditional eternal life, and their salvation process was described as being like the impregnation of the human egg cell by the sperm...and the spiritual pregnancy could be terminated by God at any point prior to the birth, which occurred at the resurrection.
2. Other Christian churches were in error. All other Christian churches, while sincere, were not really true Christians and were not saved. Their religion was formed through an amalgam of Christianity and pagan customs such as Christmas, Easter and birthday observances. There was a very strong anti-Catholic element, particularly because they changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.
3. Herbert Armstrong, the leader, was viewed as being the sole representative of God on Earth. He was called God's apostle. He was the ultimate authority on what the Bible said, and published many books which were meant to interpret the Scripture for Christians. He claimed to have restored true Christianity to the world, which had not been taught since the early apostolic days.
4. Christians were required to observe elements of the Old Covenant, including the Seventh Day Sabbath (Saturday), observance of the Holy Days of Leviticus 23, a tithing system that allocated about 23% of their gross income before tax to the church or festival observance, and observance of the clean/unclean meat laws. It was a very works oriented view of salvation.
5. A very complex eschatology (teaching about end time events) which taught that the 12 tribes of Israel are the ancestors of those who comprise the Western European peoples, and that events in prophecy can only be understood in this context.
6. A virtual universal salvation...the view was that most of mankind is not being called to salvation now...the Church is being called to salvation and being judged by God. The rest are spiritually blinded and won't be given an opportunity for salvation until a future resurrection after the Millennium, when they will be given an opportunity for salvation without Satan's influence.
7. A system of 3 resurrections. The first resurrection is the resurrection of the righteous at Christ's return. The second resurrection is the resurrection of the unsaved unevangelized, which is the group in point 6. The third resurrection is the resurrection to eternal punishment, to be thrown into the lake of fire.
8. Soul sleep; that those who die are in a state of sleep until they are resurrected.
9. Eternal punishment involved annihilationism,and not eternal suffering in hell.
10. Taught a healing doctrine that basically discouraged seeking medical treatment and condemned it as a lack of faith. Healing was viewed as part and parcel of Christ's sacrifice. This view changed over the time I was there.
17. Viewed the rich as being spiritually superior to the poor...most of the deacons and elders were individuals who were fairly successful in their vocational careers.
WCG rightly taught that the ultimate authority for Christians is the Bible, which was good. I will admit that I believed their teachings fully until about 1995, when the church itself came to understand that it was teaching false things, and they began to change them. This was 10 years after Herbert Armstrong's death.
I left the church somewhere around 2000 and attended various other churches from denominations such as Calvary Chapel. As well, I listened to a lot of messages from different places.
I came do a deeper and fuller understanding of God's grace and the fact that Christians possess eternal life, not conditional eternal life, and came to more fully understand God's grace and love. The focus moved from my works and my battle against the flesh to focusing on Jesus Christ and what he had already done on the cross.
I would say that at that time I went through a sort of deeper spiritual awakening of sorts through this time period.
Ironically, I went through a long period of backsliding after this. My physical condition also deteriorated due to obesity, over time, and this affected my fellowship. I got involved in sexual sin during this time period, and this didn't help anything at all..it totally messed up my intimacy with God.
In the last year, I've been rededicating myself to God and feeling the joy of my salvation again. I've been attending a good fellowship which is about 35 minutes away.
I am also dealing with the issue of seeking employment again after being on disability for two years due to obesity.
At 6'0 (1.8m), I weighed about 545 pounds(247 kg) at my high point in 2012 when I became disabled. I have lost over 210 pounds (93 kg) since then through losing some on my own, and through bariatric gastric bypass (weight loss) surgery performed in September 2013. I am continuing to lose weight. I discontinued my high blood pressure drugs because of this weight loss.
I also stopped using prescription anti-anxiety drugs recently..I used them from about 2000 to 2014. I felt they were causing me spiritual lethargy. Things have improved a lot since then, and I feel no anxiety. I feel personally that doctors are overprescribing mind altering today and these drugs can have a huge impact on our spiritual lives. I know very committed Christians who have needed to take drugs due to mental issues, so please do not read the above to indicate that I am totally against using drugs to treat organic mental illness. Mankind is damaged by the Fall and Adam's sin, and sometimes this damage from this Fall affects the mind.
My concerns at this point are growing closer to God, losing weight, and finding employment again. I am involved in an Evangelical Free church. I favor them as well as Christian and Missionary Alliance churches.
My favorite music artist is Rich Mullins. I love just about all of his music. I also like 4HIM, Wes King, Steven Curtis Chapman, and Phil Keaggy.
I like Christian and Missionary Alliance churches and Evangelical Free churches. I find that many Christians are spiritually impoverished mainly due to false teachings propagated by their churches. There are many good churches besides the ones which belong to these organizations. If you feel your church is unloving or may not have good doctrine, I encourage you to try a church within one of these associations. Everyone needs a good local fellowship of believers to learn from, and to share life with. This chat room is not a substitution for a local fellowship.
Warm Regards,
Robert
Following is my testimony. I figure that's the best way to introduce myself. I usually hang out in the Bible Study room.
I was saved in 1985 after going through a long bout of anxiety and depression.
This bout of anxiety and depression started after I was blocked from entering my chosen profession, being a police officer or military officer. I had been looking forward to this career since childhood. My thought at the time was, there's no way I can be a part of these professions now, so what use was my life to me?
The anxiety and depression went on for months. I remember planning to wire both triggers of a double barrel shotgun together and then shoot myself.
Instead of doing this, I knelt beside the bed and told God that he could have my life if he could use it..if not I was gong to kill myself to avoid the anxiety and depression. God answered my prayer for deliverance at that time.
I experienced a great level of peace at that time. I attended a few Baptist churches but I didn't seem very comfortable with their worship style or biblical knowledge...not the ones I attended anyways. I contacted a pastor at a church called Worldwide Church of God, because my mom attended there.
I met with the pastor and talked to him about some of the issues I was having. I started attending church there and liked their teaching style, although later I learned they had poor doctrine in a lot of areas.
I spent some months praying, studying Scripture and fasting. My state of mental well being increased immensely over that time.
On one morning, maybe 4 months later, God caused my sins to be mentally replayed to me, along with the words of the Scripture, to convict me of my sins.
I came to a point where I understood my sins, after my veneer of self righteousness was broken, and asked God to apply the sacrifice of Jesus Christ to my sins. I sensed the presence of God that day, ... a warm, glowing, loving presence, and it lasted for at least 3 days very intensely. I have felt it intensely since then, but not as strong as that particular day usually.
After being saved, I continued attending Worldwide Church of God. They taught poor doctrine, particularly in that they taught strict Saturday Sabbath keeping and other elements of the Old Covenant as being applicable to Christians.
Here are some of the major doctrinal beliefs that WCG had at one time or another while I was there (PLEASE NOTE THAT I NO LONGER BELIEVE THESE):
1. Christians were literally to become members of the God family, which is what they called the Godhead. Their human life and their overcoming of sins was for the purpose of qualifying them for salvation, and becoming a god being, to rule over their own planet. The Christian was viewed as being given only conditional eternal life, and their salvation process was described as being like the impregnation of the human egg cell by the sperm...and the spiritual pregnancy could be terminated by God at any point prior to the birth, which occurred at the resurrection.
2. Other Christian churches were in error. All other Christian churches, while sincere, were not really true Christians and were not saved. Their religion was formed through an amalgam of Christianity and pagan customs such as Christmas, Easter and birthday observances. There was a very strong anti-Catholic element, particularly because they changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.
3. Herbert Armstrong, the leader, was viewed as being the sole representative of God on Earth. He was called God's apostle. He was the ultimate authority on what the Bible said, and published many books which were meant to interpret the Scripture for Christians. He claimed to have restored true Christianity to the world, which had not been taught since the early apostolic days.
4. Christians were required to observe elements of the Old Covenant, including the Seventh Day Sabbath (Saturday), observance of the Holy Days of Leviticus 23, a tithing system that allocated about 23% of their gross income before tax to the church or festival observance, and observance of the clean/unclean meat laws. It was a very works oriented view of salvation.
5. A very complex eschatology (teaching about end time events) which taught that the 12 tribes of Israel are the ancestors of those who comprise the Western European peoples, and that events in prophecy can only be understood in this context.
6. A virtual universal salvation...the view was that most of mankind is not being called to salvation now...the Church is being called to salvation and being judged by God. The rest are spiritually blinded and won't be given an opportunity for salvation until a future resurrection after the Millennium, when they will be given an opportunity for salvation without Satan's influence.
7. A system of 3 resurrections. The first resurrection is the resurrection of the righteous at Christ's return. The second resurrection is the resurrection of the unsaved unevangelized, which is the group in point 6. The third resurrection is the resurrection to eternal punishment, to be thrown into the lake of fire.
8. Soul sleep; that those who die are in a state of sleep until they are resurrected.
9. Eternal punishment involved annihilationism,and not eternal suffering in hell.
10. Taught a healing doctrine that basically discouraged seeking medical treatment and condemned it as a lack of faith. Healing was viewed as part and parcel of Christ's sacrifice. This view changed over the time I was there.
17. Viewed the rich as being spiritually superior to the poor...most of the deacons and elders were individuals who were fairly successful in their vocational careers.
WCG rightly taught that the ultimate authority for Christians is the Bible, which was good. I will admit that I believed their teachings fully until about 1995, when the church itself came to understand that it was teaching false things, and they began to change them. This was 10 years after Herbert Armstrong's death.
I left the church somewhere around 2000 and attended various other churches from denominations such as Calvary Chapel. As well, I listened to a lot of messages from different places.
I came do a deeper and fuller understanding of God's grace and the fact that Christians possess eternal life, not conditional eternal life, and came to more fully understand God's grace and love. The focus moved from my works and my battle against the flesh to focusing on Jesus Christ and what he had already done on the cross.
I would say that at that time I went through a sort of deeper spiritual awakening of sorts through this time period.
Ironically, I went through a long period of backsliding after this. My physical condition also deteriorated due to obesity, over time, and this affected my fellowship. I got involved in sexual sin during this time period, and this didn't help anything at all..it totally messed up my intimacy with God.
In the last year, I've been rededicating myself to God and feeling the joy of my salvation again. I've been attending a good fellowship which is about 35 minutes away.
I am also dealing with the issue of seeking employment again after being on disability for two years due to obesity.
At 6'0 (1.8m), I weighed about 545 pounds(247 kg) at my high point in 2012 when I became disabled. I have lost over 210 pounds (93 kg) since then through losing some on my own, and through bariatric gastric bypass (weight loss) surgery performed in September 2013. I am continuing to lose weight. I discontinued my high blood pressure drugs because of this weight loss.
I also stopped using prescription anti-anxiety drugs recently..I used them from about 2000 to 2014. I felt they were causing me spiritual lethargy. Things have improved a lot since then, and I feel no anxiety. I feel personally that doctors are overprescribing mind altering today and these drugs can have a huge impact on our spiritual lives. I know very committed Christians who have needed to take drugs due to mental issues, so please do not read the above to indicate that I am totally against using drugs to treat organic mental illness. Mankind is damaged by the Fall and Adam's sin, and sometimes this damage from this Fall affects the mind.
My concerns at this point are growing closer to God, losing weight, and finding employment again. I am involved in an Evangelical Free church. I favor them as well as Christian and Missionary Alliance churches.
My favorite music artist is Rich Mullins. I love just about all of his music. I also like 4HIM, Wes King, Steven Curtis Chapman, and Phil Keaggy.
I like Christian and Missionary Alliance churches and Evangelical Free churches. I find that many Christians are spiritually impoverished mainly due to false teachings propagated by their churches. There are many good churches besides the ones which belong to these organizations. If you feel your church is unloving or may not have good doctrine, I encourage you to try a church within one of these associations. Everyone needs a good local fellowship of believers to learn from, and to share life with. This chat room is not a substitution for a local fellowship.
Warm Regards,
Robert
