I'm very Liberal, Moderate, and Progressive

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slave

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Where did you gain your conclusions to your beliefs? Or another way of putting it...what influences of teachings have been your collective properties?
 
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Oneoff

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I'm curious; Do you have , then, no faith in a supernatural Deity? And yet, have belief in an existence of a supreme being who does not intervene in the universe? As you stated in your Deism position? What do you mean by "unable to empathize?" You say you believe in God , but illuminate who God is to you.....What would you like to gain from the CC experience?
I hope I have answered that in my response to 'Passing through' (and in my responses to others) but come again if you think I have not.
 

slave

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There are all sorts of different Deists.
One aspect of Deism is but a part of my faith (I am not a Deist and nothing else).
I incline to the view that God would not practice blanket 'on demand' intervention to the degree that it nullified his Laws of Nature under which all of creation groans and travails in pain whilst waiting for God's ultimate redemption.
However I do trust that God will, at his discretion, intervene selectively in response to our cries for intervention.
Who knows that God did not intervene, within the last day or two, to prevent a major catastrophe?
I also trust, with a childlike faith, that I am, as constantly as is possible, walking hand in hand with God as I go about what the hymnist describes as "The trivial round and the common task".
That is the balance of my particular faith (so help me God).
God wants to help you...do you believe in the book of the bible He has left in just such an effort? Is that beautiful phrase of innocence "Child-like" faith in the God of the bible? The exact same God of the bible? If not be careful of the child-like phrases not to baffle you from the truth of Hebrews 9:27. Do you have the Word to look that up?
 
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Where did you gain your conclusions to your beliefs? Or another way of putting it...what influences of teachings have been your collective properties?
After my first childhood 'church' imploded, and ditched all that it had been teaching me, I withdrew in order to re-examine and re-pitch my faith. After years of reconsideration and examination of the history of Christianity I current lean on experience, plausibility, and the 'inner voice'.
 

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I believe in a singular truth, not plural. I believe in a One God and that He has sent us one answer to our problem of Sin. That being a person of Jesus Christ. I also believe we are lost in sin unless we act to surrender ourselves to God and believe the Son of God was sent to die for our admission to God as we stay now in Christ in that authority to enter into His presence free of sin and able to live in Gods narrow purity thru His Son...... Do you believe that?
 

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After my first childhood 'church' imploded, and ditched all that it had been teaching me, I withdrew in order to re-examine and re-pitch my faith. After years of reconsideration and examination of the history of Christianity I current lean on experience, plausibility, and the 'inner voice'.
Your inner voice? conscience? or Gods spirit? I sense a situation of some experiences you have gone thru that has put some crisis in your life am I wrong in that? Can you explain more of that experience?
 

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I believe God works thru our conscience but only makes understandable His will thru the regeneration of ourselves thru belief in Him and the receiving of His ways thru confession and obedience.. In other words ...there will be some things we don't understand until we commit to a faithful life with Him thru a lifestyle of faith, fully prone before God. I am sorry you had some tough experiences in your childhood
 

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I have to go pick up my Son but I would love to chat more, I sent a friend request if you want.....I will chat later good to meet you. I pray God will show Himself to you more openly and move to clear up any questions you have thru His Word to you. I apologize that I have to leave as well. It was just getting interesting smile. My name is Dan by the way.
 
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Oneoff is saying, there is no absolute truth's, I don't need to go to church to hear the word of God preached and don't need instructions to know how to live the Christian life, and I don't need Christians in my life.

Is that right my friend?
 
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God wants to help you...do you believe in the book of the bible He has left in just such an effort? Is that beautiful phrase of innocence "Child-like" faith in the God of the bible? The exact same God of the bible? If not be careful of the child-like phrases not to baffle you from the truth of Hebrews 9:27. Do you have the Word to look that up?
I am deeply immersed in the 'New Testament', together with much of the 'Old'.
I can say, like Timothy, that from a child I have known the scriptures that have made me wise unto salvation (whatever it is that is meant by 'salvation'). And that 'thy word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path', plus 'where withal' shall a man (young or old) cleanse his ways....by taking heed thereto according to thy word (mean the living word implanted in the fleshy tables of my heart, as distinct from the written letter which kills).
More later since I now have an unusually busy day ahead of me.
 

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Tell me what is the eternal destiny of those myriads of mankind who 'die/have died' without ever hearing what many of us call "the Gospel Message" and you just might get close to what I am inclined to believe to be God's (as distinct from my) plan for eternal life.

There are several verses that touch on the people you ask about. What does that have to do with YOUR eternal belief? I am very comfortable letting God handle questions that I'm not hundred percent sure of, or thr Holy Spirit has yet to reveal, but I KNOW THE GOSPEL, the Gospel IS available to YOU right now. So I ask again, if you are not trusting in the finished work of Jesus Christ, and His free gift of grace, what are YOU trusting in for eternal life? Why won't you answer that?
 

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I am deeply immersed in the 'New Testament', together with much of the 'Old'.
I can say, like Timothy, that from a child I have known the scriptures that have made me wise unto salvation (whatever it is that is meant by 'salvation'). And that 'thy word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path', plus 'where withal' shall a man (young or old) cleanse his ways....by taking heed thereto according to thy word (mean the living word implanted in the fleshy tables of my heart, as distinct from the written letter which kills).
More later since I now have an unusually busy day ahead of me.
Thank you for having patience with my children bus services.....smile! The work hours are horrible but at least the pay is the same so I feel consistent. :rolleyes:.

I believe in God's Word to be His very own voice to me, so every Word I can live my life by, and in that Word it says that knowledge puffs up whereas love builds up. The Scriptures, all of them, including the old Testament point to one person as our means- to- an- end toward this Salvation you are not clear on, yet, what ends up happening is the relationship becomes our focus and Salvation is just something He hands us along the way.. for that one Person was not only a person but God as well; Jesus Christ. In order for you to understand Salvations need to be gained you must understand the need to escape Sin, by understanding what sin is; a 'being', not simply a particular wrongdoing.

I would love sometime to share with you a look into Scripture in the purpose of why God sent His Son to us, to show you thru Scripture the problem you and I have in way of sin, judgement,and the wage of death eternal from it without a response personally. I would love to show who Jesus is better and show how He works in curing our death outcome. I would love to share what receiving Him means over simply accepting Him, or even believing in Him. it may take around 20 minutes or so, simply showing you Scripture on what our response is to be according to His own Words. Does that sound like something you wouldn't mind going over with me sometime soon? Would you be open to having me correspond with you in private for that clarification? I would love to get to know you as well, I have good ears. I also consider myself in the same boat and not in a better boat than you, so why not right? I can use all the friends I can get....smile.

Let me leave you with this scripture for now....."I tell you the truth, whoever hears my Word and believes Him who sent Me has Eternal Life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life. I tell you the truth, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live." John 5:24-25.

John 3:17 says, "For God did not send His Son into the World to condemn the World, but to save the World through Him."

If you get nothing else out of this Remember Jesus as a person who in real- time and real face- to- face directness, and honest loyal trust wants to help you in every detail of your life thru a relationship with Him. It's not the knowledge of Him that moves mountains It's the receiving Him that does, both in our personal enlightenment and new understanding of things and in way of our power of purpose in our lives, joy peace confidence and power travel with Him into you as we do this miraculous event by simply obeying Him with our choice of will.

I don't see a person in you that is full of concepts that grind me, but a person looking for truth, aren't we all? Let's consider how we can spur one another on toward love and good deeds and understand the power of this man/God called Jesus Christ and it's application to your life personally.. God bless you richly I hope to talk soon...chow for now.


 
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slave

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I am deeply immersed in the 'New Testament', together with much of the 'Old'.
I can say, like Timothy, that from a child I have known the scriptures that have made me wise unto salvation (whatever it is that is meant by 'salvation'). And that 'thy word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path', plus 'where withal' shall a man (young or old) cleanse his ways....by taking heed thereto according to thy word (mean the living word implanted in the fleshy tables of my heart, as distinct from the written letter which kills).
More later since I now have an unusually busy day ahead of me.
Only God can cleanse your ways, it's not what He has given you to do the job, it is what He is that get's the job done. We aren't to major in advanced life, thru Gods gift to us, we are to simplify our life unto Himself majoring in Him and His relationship with us.....then the complexities of His resources are seen to bear fruit in us, with us stress free. The more we focus on dying to self, the more we can gain His advanced lessons in our experience of Him, not the experience of the results of Him. We never come to isolate ourselves from Him ever! The 'New Us' is the ever- present Him oozing out of us, leaving us Christ-like. Paul writes that the I that I am is now the Lord living in me coming out basically, at first in co-appearance to ourselves, but a fully consecrated Christian will in time be hidden in God thru Christ in our walking behaviors.. My personality still in tact, but the fruit of His Character become mine. The mind of God becomes my transforming power for myself to have a different autobiography in my way of thinking, and living.We die in order to be renovated in Himself unto Holiness.

So how do I spell relief? It's Not.... 'R*o*l*a*i*d*s.' It's....." J*E*S*U*S C*H*R*I*S*T" :cool:.

"The Gospel is a gift to our poverty; not a triumph to our resources." Oswald Chambers.
 
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The title says enough.


Burn him!









But really, I doubt that you will get along with many of us since some of us loathe progressives/liberals and not just for religious reasons/differences. There is no such thing as a 'moderate' for either end once getting to an actual debate. Just a fair warning.