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CountryFellow

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Last year (2010) a close friend dropped by for nothing more than to kill time swapping news and drinking my coffee on a cold day. It was December 20th, a Monday and it was snowing lightly. No I don’t have some fantastic memory but I’ve gone back over every step of this story so many times the details will be with me a long time.
One piece of news he shared that a mutual friend’s wife had just been laid off from her job. In this case it was particularly hard news to hear because our friend (Scott) had been out of work (laid off from the local factory) for almost a year. Times were tight for them and they lost their home owners insurance for non-payment of the premium and as luck would have it they had a home fire in August and lost everything. They and their three kids were currently living with his parents in a small farm house and with the loss of his wife’s job were really in a desperate situation. It seemed their lives were going from bad to worse at almost every turn.
To explain a bit, my wife and I live on a small farm and several years ago I bought a large (3 bedroom – 2 bath) mobile home and had it set up on the farm for my wife’s mother. She lived in it until she passed away a year or a little more ago. Since then the mobile home had sat empty. The visiting friend said, “You know it would be a great thing if you could find a way to sell Scott the mobile home and let him work for it instead of coming up with cash”. I pretty much dismissed it out of hand as I simply had no need of an extra pair of hands and it would take a LOT of man hours to match the value of the mobile home not to mention what it would cost him to have it moved and set up on his property. The visiting friend more or less agreed and the subject was dropped. After he left I couldn’t get the idea of working out a deal with our Scott out of my head and mentioned it to my wife as we ate lunch. She too said it was a shame I didn’t really need any help and said maybe there was a way to work out a swap with someone that did need extra hands that could buy it for him. We kicked around a lot of names of people we knew but came up empty handed so again the subject was dropped.
I kept kicking it around the rest of the day and at bedtime my wife asked, “Did you come up with anything concerning the mobile home”. I replied, “Yes, it’s just not a practical idea or doable”. She said, “In all the years we’ve been together I have never known you to not find a way to do something if you really wanted to do it”. (I am 58, she is 56 and we’ve been together since forever. :) That was my last thought on the matter as I fell asleep. Now comes the really strange part. No I didn’t dream of a solution or even dream on it at all as far as I remember but when I got up the next morning (Tuesday) I sat on the edge of the bed and my for reasons I can’t explain my first real thought of the day was on the mobile home and the solution had come to me, give it to Scott and help get it relocated. If I am being honest my common sense voice said, “What the heck are you thinking”! My second thought was, “The wife will either crack me upside the head or call the guys to put me in a straight jacket”. We are not what anyone would call wealthy or even rich and giving away something of this value is NOT something I would ever consider but here I was not only considering it but part of me had already made the decision to do it. I wish there was a way to put into words the feelings I was having that morning and believe me I’ve examined them more times than I can tell and still don’t have my arms around it. I just KNEW giving the home to Scott and his family was the right thing to do. I was as certain of that as I’ve ever been about anything.
When the wife got up I had breakfast and coffee waiting and we sat and talked and the first thing she said was, “If we are going to give Scott and his family the mobile home we need to do it before Christmas and that is only a few days away”. I had NOT even mentioned the mobile home, or Scott and definitely nothing about giving it to him!!! In my usual clueless husband way said, “Huh”? She said, “Well that was what you were going to ask me about wasn’t it”? I asked, “What ever gave you that idea”? She replied, “I don’t know, I woke up and knew you wanted to talk about doing it, call it intuition”. I let that part go for the time being, I don’t believe in intuition but wanted to talk about Scott and asked what she thought of the idea. She didn’t even bother to talk to me on “if” we would; she started talking about calling neighbors to help her clean it inside and get it ready. I told her ok, get that done and I’d figure out if we could get it moved. I got a hold of the friend that had suggested it all and told him to come over and help me get it done. He came straight over and when I told him I was giving the home to them he thought I had lost it but admitted it solved a world of problems for Scott and his family and agreed to help.
I made calls and moving it was going to cost a not so small heap of cash and had to be scheduled a few weeks in advance. I told my friend and he said one of our neighbors used to move them when he was younger and maybe knew someone and called him. The long and short of it was that he didn’t know anyone but suggested that if we could borrow a large tractor he had a set up for attaching it to the hitch to move it. The thing here is his brother has a huge 4 wheel drive (dual wheels) that would be perfect but the two of them have not been on speaking terms for years. Some family squabble that got out of hand and split the family apart. Anyhow I asked him if I found a tractor if I could borrow the hitch set up and he agreed and said it might have to be re-worked a bit depending on the tractor. I called the brother and explained what I was doing and he agreed to not only loan us the tractor but to also come drive it for us. I went and picked up the attachment and wouldn’t you know it, it didn’t fit. I called him again and explained why it didn’t fit and he said he would look at it. What I did not expect was for him to pull in the drive way 15 minutes later. Suddenly the two brothers that had not spoke in years were both at my house and working on a common goal. I fully expected sparks to fly and for someone to leave in a hurry but they started out cordial enough, if a little cold but at least seemed to be able to be nice to each other. Well one thing lead to the other and next time I looked they were both working on making the hitch fit and talking a mile a minute catching up on family news. By the time they had it ready to go you never would have known there had ever been a rift between them.
In the meantime my wife had called her women friends and a half dozen had showed up and were cleaning like a tornado in the mobile home including cleaning all the furniture, beds, and well everything. They worked on it until about 6 in the evening and had in spotlessly clean and smelling great. The friend that had started all of it was sitting with me in our house and suggested we should see if we could get some other folks to help out and we made a list and then got on the phone. By the time we were off the phone we had the local Propane dealer setting up a fuel tank for them. Another fellow offered to bring a back hoe and trench in the connections to the water line and septic tank. And still another agreed he would connect the electrical. Finally we had half a dozen guys to help with all the little stuff like putting up the skirting, building steps to the two doors, putting in the ground anchors, etc.
The next day was Wednesday and man did we have a full plate! We were only moving the home about 5 miles but it was on poor two lane road so we had to have folks clear traffic for us and out of nowhere there were a dozen people ready to help. It seems my friend had talked to everyone in the area and they just showed up to lend a hand anyway they could. I think the only people in the community that didn’t know about it were Scott and his family and his parents. You have to realize our little community is a town of 50 or so people and the farmers in the area. All the guys that had just showed up on their own got to work removing the tie downs, skirting, the old steps, wiring, plumbing, sewer, and putting the wheels back on it and getting it ready to move. I was amazed at how fast it went and by lunch time it was ready to move. Somewhere in all that my wife and the other women had decided to fix a lunch and I think I had every person (other than Scott and family) at my house for lunch and just enjoying being a part of the entire thing. I can’t remember the last time I had seen so many smiling faces and good natured talk.
That afternoon the two brothers with the tractor and experience hooked it all up and we had a parade of vehicles as they moved it. Thank goodness the weather had cooperated! Two hours later we had the mobile home sitting on Scott’s property and the work to set it up began. We worked the rest of the afternoon and everyone promised to be back the next morning. The next day the propane dealer showed up with a 750 gallon tank, set it in place and then filled it for FREE. He told me that if I could give them a home he could give them fuel to heat it. The electrical guy showed and started his work, the plumbers, the heating and AC guy, and the guys stated building steps and a deck. When I say a deck I mean a 12’ by 40’ deck with railing and a roof over it. I never found out where all the material for it, or the plumbing, or anything else came from because when I told them to give me a bill everyone said it was just stuff they “had laying around”. It was a long day but by the end of it the mobile home was done and ready to hand over. I could not believe we had accomplished so much in such a short amount of time. Collectively we all agreed to give it to Scott the next day (Christmas Eve) around noon.
I got a call about 9 the next morning (Christmas Eve) from the friend that started it all to come by and look at something. I and my wife hopped in the pickup and went and when we got there again everyone in town was there. They had a Christmas tree set up in the living room, wrapped Christmas presents piled up under it, cupboards stocked with home canned goods, a nearly new freezer had “found” it’s way there and was packed full of frozen meat and foods. The women had a huge lunch started and I was told I should be the one to go get Scott and his family. I took the pickup home and got the car and went to his parent’s farm and went inside and told them I needed them to come see something and insisted his parents come too. It took some talking but I finally got them around and we went to his property and when the mobile home came into sight there were a million questions. Well a long story short, he and his family were totally amazed and when Scott learned it was all a gift from his neighbors he actually broke down and cried with happiness. His kids went crazy at having a home again (and deciding who got which bedroom) his wife just kept thanking everyone. We ate, and ate, and ate some more and there was a constant buzz of a couple dozen different conversations from every direction.
After lunch was done and everything cleaned and put away I suggested we all clear out and give Scott and his family a chance to catch their breath and everyone pretty much agreed, until Scott’s youngest daughter (9 years old) said, “Before everyone leaves I want to say a prayer”. She thanked God for everything and then asked that he reward every person that had helped and to watch over them. That’s when it happened. I don’t have a better word for it but it felt like a moment of Grace if I understand the usage of the word. As I stood there listening I looked around the crowd of people and I saw nothing but smiles, warm and caring people, and for some period of time I cannot quantify, it was as if time stood still long enough for me to look in the faces of each and every person, the Christmas decorations, and the look on Scott and his wife’s face and I knew I had done much more than simply give away the mobile home. The two feuding brothers were now as close as they had ever been, the mean old crotchety neighbor (everyone has one) was there and enjoying every second, all the people that had labored so hard had found something that made them feel better from their efforts and in general I have never stood in the presence of a group of people that seemed to be 100% on the same page and so single minded in purpose.
The truth is that every person I had asked to help not only did what I asked without hesitation, they went far beyond what I asked. People that were not the best of friends put differences aside and stood side by side to accomplish it all. For a day, people simply did what they knew was the right thing without question or argument and somehow it all came together far better than I could have ever dreamed possible. When the little girl finished her prayer I don’t believe there was a dry eye to be found, including my own. We all cleared out to give them some time to settle in and when we got home my wife said, “You done good old man, real good”. That evening our kids showed up to spend Christmas with us and somehow it was the best Christmas we’ve ever had.
Now to finish this all up, as you may have guessed I am not a religious person, I haven’t been in a church other than for a funeral or wedding in 30 years. I’m not against it at all it’s just not something I’ve ever really participated in but deep, deep down I KNOW there was a power at work I can’t explain. I’ve never seen something this large a project where everything just “clicked” and came together or where so many people laid aside their own issues to join in on something like this, especially when it cost them money out of their own pocket. Like I said, I’ve gone over it all a gazillion times in my head and still have a hard time believing all of it. I even went so far as to talk to the local minister about it but he sort of pooh-poohed my thinking it was God or that God would work through someone like me. He said he had dozens of people in the congregation that spent their life asking God to show them what to do and he doubted I would be selected over them. Ok, I guess I sort of agree with that. I mean why me of all people right? Surly there were lots of people in his congregation MUCH better suited than me for something like this. I left that meeting feeling a little down but told myself regardless of God having a hand in it or not, I had done a good thing and that in itself was worth it. Still, here it is September the following year with Christmas approaching and I still can’t get it or that perfect moment (of Grace?) out of my mind. I keep saying the word “Grace” because I just have no other word for it. I would truly like to hear what others have to say, even if all of you agree with the minister and think I’m a candidate for a rubber room. All I can tell you is that from the bottom of my being I am certain “something” touched me in a way I have never known before and for a brief few days, that same “something” touched almost every person in my small community. (People still talk about it all the time.)
I guess the reason I am here is that I am still trying to figure it all out.
 
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Ramon

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I don't usually read long passages. But I read this.

I have not doubt that the Lord used you.

My friend, if this is EVER a message of the gospel of Jesus Christ, YOU HAVE LEARNED IT!!!!!! So many people don't ever learn it, but you have. The Lord has chosen you to reveal the message of his gospel to.

It is so awesome my friend to hear this testimony

Jas 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

If you look in Matthew, Mark, and John, at what Jesus was all about, you will learn many answers to many questions you have.
 
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Ramon

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I am sorry, that is not enough!!!

My friend, I was feeling terrible today!!! I wondered why the Lord had not heard my prayer!! Why I could not see his salvation!! Why no one understood!!

My friend, you are more than an answer to my prayer, and the prayers of others, that the Lord would draw people to himself, not by a man, but by his Spirit.

You see, your wife did not experience intuition. Not at all. The Holy Spirit impressed on both of you, and that is why both of you KNEW what was right.

God always does and knows what is right. Many people speak about God, but not many people obey his Holy Spirit. You not only heard but obeyed.

My friend you are precious person to me today.

May Jesus bless you.
 

Devoted2JC

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Hello welcome to Christian Chat.
 
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shekaniah

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I believe God used you to help answer a prayer, someone was being saved by grace. Maybe God is speaking to you.....
You can ask Him for wisdom.

Ephesians 2:8
God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can't take credit for this; it is a gift from God.

James 1:5
If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him.

2 Cor 12:9
But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me.
 

Snackersmom

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Hi, Countryfellow, it's great to have you here. I will be completely honest, your story made me cry like a baby. I know that you did not post it as a testimony, but that is exactly what it is. Yes, Yes, YES, God was working in you, 100%, no doubt about it. Forget what the pastor said, he doesn't know what he's talking about, I have LIVESTOCK that is more spiritual than that guy, he will have to answer to God someday for what he told you. But enough about HIM.

What you described is exactly the way The Holy Spirit works, I have experienced it myself, and as you said, everything just "clicks" (God handles details way better than us mortals do ;)). Grace is probably a good way to describe what you experienced afterward, God was honoring the little girls' prayer, and also giving you a taste of what life is like when we completely surrender ourselves to Him. I think that the scenario keeps playing itself over in your head because God is telling you that He has something more for your life, most likely a closer walk with Him, a life where experiences like you described are an everyday occurrence (usually not so dramatic, though, it's usually more like help with the everyday stuff, but awesome nonetheless :)). You mentioned that you aren't very religious, but I am guessing that somewhere along the way, maybe when you were a kid, you accepted Jesus as your savior, and God is drawing you back to Him. Or, if you have not accepted Jesus, then doing so is the next step (ask God for confirmation and understanding, and He will reveal Himself to you). After that you can ask God to fill you with His Holy Spirit, and He will. Then, hang on for the ride!! When you're walking in the Spirit you will never be bored, I can guarantee that......:) And as a side note, you sound like a genuine, humble, straight-up kinda guy, so you probably won't fit in at the average church, especially if the Pastor is anything like that guy you mentioned, Reverend Clueless. But don't worry, the Lord can teach you about Himself if you diligently seek Him. And, like Ramon mentioned, the four Gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, are a good place to start, ask God to help you understand what you're reading. You also might enjoy the book "How to Live Like a Kings' Kid" by Harold Hill. It's written in plain english, easy to understand, and amusing :). God Bless you, Sir, and thank you for your testimony. Please, if you ever want to talk, PLEASE send me a P.M., I would love to hear from you. But more importantly, God Himself wants to hear from you, and He's definitely the priority ;). I will pray that He will reveal Himself to you. Thanks again! -Nicole
 
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CountryFellow

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I want to thank everyone for their thoughts and feedback, its been more help than you will ever know. So that you folks know just how much effect its had, I went and bought a Bible and have begun reading. It's slow going but I try to read several pages each night and then take a few minutes to reflect upon the words and how they apply to me.

I haven't really prayed, I guess I don't know where to even begin and if I am being honest the idea is sort of scary. Let me explain that a bit. Like I said, I've never been religious and have always believed I am in control of my destiny and try to live my life by the golden rule. Not because of a religious upbringing but my own sense of fairness and treating people the way I want to be treated. Now all of a sudden I have discovered my destiny or my free will isn't what I thought it was. I look at that truth, and I am now convinced it is the truth, I also see that being guided / influenced resulted in some very GOOD things for me, my wife, and my friends and nieghbors. Still, the idea of giving up at least some control over my life is scary.

I wonder if others feel the same or if they just automatically accept everything on faith and not worry about it? A question that maybe someone knows the answer to and point me in the right direction, did the apostles question things or did they simply accept everything? I ask becasue, well because of what I have experianced I feel like I *should* just be able to ignore my own doubts and fears but can't seem to quite get there. I think it would help if I knew I am not the only one that feels this way.

Part of me invisions God looking down on me and shaking his head and saying, "What do I have to do to get this guy to listen" and I feel like a fool that I haven't responded better than I have.
 
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shekaniah

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I totally understand the not wanting to give up control, I have struggled with this myself. Just remember once you do, God does not promise it will be easy. But I can say the quality of my life has been more enriched.

(Note: There are different translations of the Bible, So if a verse does not make sense, look it up online.
you will get more than one translation, of the same meaning of the verse.)

And Jesus Said;
"I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world."
John 16:33

If you pray God can help you understand the bible. Because it is spiritually discerned, we need his spirit to guide us.
Look up all the verses that talk about wisdom. Here is a verse that talks about God's spirit.

1 Corinthians 2:14-16
14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment: 16 "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.

I will stand in the gap for you and pray that you gain wisdom, God's wisdom. God bless

Proverbs 3:5
Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make your paths straight.
 

Vladimir_Ukr

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Your story is awesome. When I accepted Jesus Christ in 1992. A man aged 66 and who knew me before that and what change happened with me, accepted Jesus Christ too.
I think, it may to be a sign for you. I'm glad that you bought a Bible and have begun reading. I feeling that the Lord love you.
Best regards,
 
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Ramon

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I want to thank everyone for their thoughts and feedback, its been more help than you will ever know. So that you folks know just how much effect its had, I went and bought a Bible and have begun reading. It's slow going but I try to read several pages each night and then take a few minutes to reflect upon the words and how they apply to me.

I haven't really prayed, I guess I don't know where to even begin and if I am being honest the idea is sort of scary. Let me explain that a bit. Like I said, I've never been religious and have always believed I am in control of my destiny and try to live my life by the golden rule. Not because of a religious upbringing but my own sense of fairness and treating people the way I want to be treated. Now all of a sudden I have discovered my destiny or my free will isn't what I thought it was. I look at that truth, and I am now convinced it is the truth, I also see that being guided / influenced resulted in some very GOOD things for me, my wife, and my friends and nieghbors. Still, the idea of giving up at least some control over my life is scary.

I wonder if others feel the same or if they just automatically accept everything on faith and not worry about it? A question that maybe someone knows the answer to and point me in the right direction, did the apostles question things or did they simply accept everything? I ask becasue, well because of what I have experianced I feel like I *should* just be able to ignore my own doubts and fears but can't seem to quite get there. I think it would help if I knew I am not the only one that feels this way.

Part of me invisions God looking down on me and shaking his head and saying, "What do I have to do to get this guy to listen" and I feel like a fool that I haven't responded better than I have.
There is only one word for this. HALLELUJAH!!!!

Your heart is in the EXACT right place!!! Wow!! This makes me remember those precious times. I had to fight to simply read the bible, all sorts of things, and MANY questions. I could not assume I knew the answers if I was confused, if I was confused it would offend me, but I continued and soon the Truth about EVERYTHING was revealed.

We have people praying my friend. May Jesus bless you.
 

Snackersmom

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Hi, Countryfellow, It's great to hear from you again. Your honesty is very refreshing, and your feelings are normal for someone in your situation. My Dad said that the first few weeks after he accepted Jesus, he was terrified that God would tell him to grow a beard, put on a robe and sandals, and trek across the country saying "The End is Near, Repent!" :D. Fortunately, that never happened, because God is a cool dude, and not into that sort of thing, thank goodness. Also, it's important to note that Christians still have free will, we don't HAVE to obey the prompts of the Holy Spirit, just like you could have crossed your arms, dug in your heels, and refused to give up the mobile home. But, in surrendering to God, you and your neighbors were able to experience His blessings in a way that would have been impossible if you had been disobedient. I have a couple of Bible verses for you, Matthew 11: 28-30. I especially like this passage, because Jesus worded it especially with us farmers in mind ;). Here it is, in King James version, my personal favorite:

"Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."

God won't ask you to do anything without also providing you with enough heavenly grace to get the job done. It may take some some gumption on your part to tell Him "yes", but once you do, He'll work out the details, just like you experienced when moving the mobile home. And, hey, you can always tell him "no" if you want to, lots of Christians do, but I wouldn't recommend it, because you'll miss out on a lot of blessings if you do ;).

Now, about praying :D. At some point, you're going to have to do it, but maybe you're not ready yet. I have spoken to other people who have been living apart from God for a long time, and they often seem to find the prospect of talking to Him to be scary, so I guess that's normal, also. My advice is to just be honest with Him, It's not like you're telling Him anything He doesn't already know ;). If you need confirmation that He exists, then tell Him so. If you doubt that Jesus is really the Son of God, whose death paid the price for all of our sins, then tell Him that, too, and ask Him to give you understanding, because He will. He loves you, Sir, and He wants you to join His family as an adopted child, just like the rest of us who have answered His call (we are, at times, a dysfunctional family, and don't always agree, but Jesus is our bond :)). Don't worry about God being mad at you, because He isn't, I promise. You know how when you were a kid, out playing with friends on a summer evening, and your dad called you to come home, but you were having too much fun playing, so you pretended not to hear, because you knew that he's not too exasperated with you unless He has to scream your full name and say you'd better come home this instant or you won't be able to sit down tomorrow? Well, God is sort of like that, and it sounds like He has only called you the first time, so don't worry. Besides, a good dad is really just going to be relieved that his kid is safe at home for the night, and God is definitely a good dad, the best there is :) He knows your heart, and that you are seeking truth in your own way. But He does want to hear from you, when you are ready, and He is standing by, ready to give you the assurance and confirmation that you are looking for.
Well, Countryfellow, I hope this helps, and that you will continue to keep us updated. I am fascinated by your honesty and humility, hearing your story has been a real blessing to me. God is clearly working in your life, even now. Praise His name! In Him, Nicole
 
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SylviaheartJC

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What an awesome testimony CountryFellow! I just wanted to enocurage you to keep reading your bible and praying to God, there's a scripture I want to share with you in John 21:15 When they had finished eating, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon son of John, do you love me more than these?”
“Yes, Lord,” he said, “you know that I love you." Jesus said, “Feed my lambs.” 16 Again Jesus said, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” He answered, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Take care of my sheep.” 17 The third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?”
Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.”
Jesus said, “Feed my sheep. 18 Very truly I tell you, when you were younger you dressed yourself and went where you wanted; but when you are old you will stretch out your hands, and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go.” 19 Jesus said this to indicate the kind of death by which Peter would glorify God. Then he said to him, “Follow me!”
Have a great day!
 

Jilly81

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That's such a great story, Countryfellow! I could go on and on about it...everyone got involved... it was people giving out of what they had due to love, not some distant company donating a large sum of money to buy things... Made me cry reading it; for a tiny bit I wondered if you were actually quoting the script of a Hallmark Hall of Fame movie, it was so perfectly done... like God planned it... yeah, that's it :). Thanks so much for sharing that story with us, it was a real blessing to read it. Also, yes, that preacher was bananas; it's a shame that you got so much better advice from strangers on the internet than by speaking to the local minister. So glad to hear that things are going better for you. Jesus can take away the doubts you have, and yes, it's very normal to feel that way, but the more we trust Him, the more incredible life becomes :).