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Let's not be stupid about these things.
If a serious person wants to learn of God or the Bible, he goes to someone he trusts, at least a little. He does not open up with both barrels on a forum full of strangers, claiming he has an arsenal of "proofs" with which he can counter anything you say.
That, alone, is showing he really knows nothing about the subject, nor cares anything about learning, but only that he has an Atheist's site in his bookmarks to go to and copy their standard reply to anything we say.
If a serious person wants to learn of God or the Bible, he goes to someone he trusts, at least a little. He does not open up with both barrels on a forum full of strangers, claiming he has an arsenal of "proofs" with which he can counter anything you say.
That, alone, is showing he really knows nothing about the subject, nor cares anything about learning, but only that he has an Atheist's site in his bookmarks to go to and copy their standard reply to anything we say.
It's not surprising he came here with a childish taunting challenge to persuade him and quoting the word (saved) like he was being sarcastic. Sadly it's not uncommon for such people to frequent here but some of them can be more reasonable than others before one of them got banned even though at first he was just attacking trying to provoke everyone he and i found common ground in our interest in science and through some decent back and forth's he began to show a more kind and thoughtful side.
Had he not gotten banned I believe that he could have possibly been saved but i respect the mod's decisions
Had he not gotten banned I believe that he could have possibly been saved but i respect the mod's decisions
Ezekiel 3:18 When I say to the wicked, 'You will surely die,' and you do not warn him or speak out to warn the wicked from his wicked way that he may live, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand. "Yet if you have warned the wicked and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered yourself.
Regaurdless if you may assume him to be a troll, speak the gospel represent the lord if he refuse the word repeatedly fine move on . However if he seeks the word & you deny him dont think God will hold you in no way accountable.
Regaurdless if you may assume him to be a troll, speak the gospel represent the lord if he refuse the word repeatedly fine move on . However if he seeks the word & you deny him dont think God will hold you in no way accountable.
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We are suppost to preach the gospel to the lost regardless even babes in christ known that. You can warn the wicked out of love not "threatening Hell" to them. If you are warning them of their ways you are to also tell them the ways of God. As i said before if you think you are immuned to be held accountable you are in for a surprise on judgement day.
Hi Prynce,
Here's some context. 16 At the end of seven days the word of the Lord came to me, saying,17 “Son of man, I have appointed you a watchman to the house of Israel; whenever you hear a word from My mouth, warn them from Me.18 When I say to the wicked, ‘You will surely die,’ and you do not warn him or speak out to warn the wicked from his wicked way that he may live, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand.19 Yet if you have warned the wicked and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered yourself.20 Again, when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and I place an obstacle before him, he will die; since you have not warned him, he shall die in his sin, and his righteous deeds which he has done shall not be remembered; but his blood I will require at your hand.21 However, if you have warned the righteous man that the righteous should not sin and he does not sin, he shall surely live because he took warning; and you have delivered yourself.”
Who's God speaking to? Ezekiel as His watchman. Ezekiel only and not anyone else. Ezekiel is a watchman for the house of Israel. Only for the house of Israel. No one else.
Ezekiel is a prophet. His mouth is to be used to bring God's words to the house of Israel. The blood of the wicked would be on Ezekiel's hand only if he didn't warn a fellow brother that they were living a sinful, wicked lifestyle and God was calling them to repentence.
If he warned them, their blood was on their own hands. But let's say that another Jewish person who wasn't called to be a watchman and wasn't called as a prophet didn't speak up and tell this person they were wicked and needed to repent. Was God saying that this Jewish person also would be liable for the wicked person's death? Or did God just say this to Ezekiel?
Here's some context. 16 At the end of seven days the word of the Lord came to me, saying,17 “Son of man, I have appointed you a watchman to the house of Israel; whenever you hear a word from My mouth, warn them from Me.18 When I say to the wicked, ‘You will surely die,’ and you do not warn him or speak out to warn the wicked from his wicked way that he may live, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand.19 Yet if you have warned the wicked and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered yourself.20 Again, when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and I place an obstacle before him, he will die; since you have not warned him, he shall die in his sin, and his righteous deeds which he has done shall not be remembered; but his blood I will require at your hand.21 However, if you have warned the righteous man that the righteous should not sin and he does not sin, he shall surely live because he took warning; and you have delivered yourself.”
Who's God speaking to? Ezekiel as His watchman. Ezekiel only and not anyone else. Ezekiel is a watchman for the house of Israel. Only for the house of Israel. No one else.
Ezekiel is a prophet. His mouth is to be used to bring God's words to the house of Israel. The blood of the wicked would be on Ezekiel's hand only if he didn't warn a fellow brother that they were living a sinful, wicked lifestyle and God was calling them to repentence.
If he warned them, their blood was on their own hands. But let's say that another Jewish person who wasn't called to be a watchman and wasn't called as a prophet didn't speak up and tell this person they were wicked and needed to repent. Was God saying that this Jewish person also would be liable for the wicked person's death? Or did God just say this to Ezekiel?
It's so interesting to me to read a thread like this. NOT because I'm interested in arguing with the op or even engaging with him, but because I always learn from it and become wiser for the protecting of my brothers.
This isn't the first site I've been a member of. I joined one soon after I met God and was there for many years and met a lot of good brothers in Christ. But when I first joined there, I had the same bewilderment over banning people who obviously needed God! I never became overly vocal about it or challenged the mods like some do, but it made me feel a lot of sorrow. And my main thought in it was, but if He could save me, bad off as I was and still can be at times, then He can save them.
I didn't know about discernment from the Spirit. I didn't yet understand that it was a gift from the Spirit and that it grows as we grow. I didn't understand that those who had walked in the Spirit longer and more consistently than me had been given something I had not, and that they were guided to see when others were ready for love and when they were not. And I didn't understand that it has nothing to do with apologetics but with a drawing of the person from God that makes them open to honest inquiry.
A man with better discernment (and even his is still growing) is able to see things not by his own power. I don't mean he just knows exactly, but God shows him. This is like when it says, and he saw that the man had faith to be healed...the apostle was not guessing based on some level of enthusiasm, he was knowing and seeing it. It wasn't a vague guess. He had insight not of himself.
This doesn't mean a man with discernment has this gift in such a way that he can go down a line of people and say, yes, stay, you out, stay, stay, nope, you have to leave. It doesn't mean don't strew seed extravagently. But this gift of discernment comes when the Spirit works, for the good of His people.
So it's good to have a lack of guile and a heart that always hopes, and it's good to have watchdogs. God gifts the watchdogs and gives them the sight to see, through this gift, if a man is not ready for love and is just there to sew discord.
Blain, your heart is good in the matter. You worked well to sew some seed. You are not without all discernment and you probably were right about his heart becoming slightly softer, but don't worry, another will water, and God causes the growth. And you don't know if him being banned will result in greater respect in him the next time he hears and has contact with a believer or what will come of the seed you planted. God can be trusted.
Thank God that God knows what He is doing.
This isn't the first site I've been a member of. I joined one soon after I met God and was there for many years and met a lot of good brothers in Christ. But when I first joined there, I had the same bewilderment over banning people who obviously needed God! I never became overly vocal about it or challenged the mods like some do, but it made me feel a lot of sorrow. And my main thought in it was, but if He could save me, bad off as I was and still can be at times, then He can save them.
I didn't know about discernment from the Spirit. I didn't yet understand that it was a gift from the Spirit and that it grows as we grow. I didn't understand that those who had walked in the Spirit longer and more consistently than me had been given something I had not, and that they were guided to see when others were ready for love and when they were not. And I didn't understand that it has nothing to do with apologetics but with a drawing of the person from God that makes them open to honest inquiry.
A man with better discernment (and even his is still growing) is able to see things not by his own power. I don't mean he just knows exactly, but God shows him. This is like when it says, and he saw that the man had faith to be healed...the apostle was not guessing based on some level of enthusiasm, he was knowing and seeing it. It wasn't a vague guess. He had insight not of himself.
This doesn't mean a man with discernment has this gift in such a way that he can go down a line of people and say, yes, stay, you out, stay, stay, nope, you have to leave. It doesn't mean don't strew seed extravagently. But this gift of discernment comes when the Spirit works, for the good of His people.
So it's good to have a lack of guile and a heart that always hopes, and it's good to have watchdogs. God gifts the watchdogs and gives them the sight to see, through this gift, if a man is not ready for love and is just there to sew discord.
Blain, your heart is good in the matter. You worked well to sew some seed. You are not without all discernment and you probably were right about his heart becoming slightly softer, but don't worry, another will water, and God causes the growth. And you don't know if him being banned will result in greater respect in him the next time he hears and has contact with a believer or what will come of the seed you planted. God can be trusted.
Thank God that God knows what He is doing.
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before he was banned i already attempted to tell him about God. The mods have their reasons for banning people that has nothing to do with me. i'm just recently finding out he's banned. if he pm'd me asking about god ill speak to him. But im not going to go out my way to track him down for what a mod did. but again the mod may have information no one else does