"I ask then why do people say Israel must go through the Tribulation?" Jeremiah 30.6. paraphrased.

I am quite sure I have explained these things before (many times on here in the past several years; however, the first more so than the second) - perhaps, you have not had the opportunity to read any of those posts...?

I am quite sure I have explained these things before (many times on here in the past several years; however, the first more so than the second) - perhaps, you have not had the opportunity to read any of those posts...?

"Come to pass shortly" should be seen through God's perspective.

This is one of the "early" posts on the subject (your first one):

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/the-end-of-times.84537/page-4#post-1396519

I am pretty sure that there are quite a few more after that...

EDIT: I made this post before reading your post #61 - I will see what else I can find that already exists. Otherwise, we may have to start a new thread. But, in any case, let us not derail this thread...

Correct.

And, the Word of God was inspired and written from God's perspective.

And, the words/phrases - where they are found - should be studied in the context of the passage - and, with a careful consideration and understanding of the 'grammar of the language'.

@Cameron143 - here is a more recent - and "interesting" - post that I just found...

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/rapture-true-or-false.210286/page-2#post-5049559

I appreciate the effort you have made. But even if you are correct, something beginning doesn't necessitate a long time between beginning and end.

@Cameron143 - go read my posts in this thread (currently, all of my posts in this thread are on the same page):

https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...y-reason-for-the-end-time-tribulation.211840/

If you want to go straight to my first post - it is post #26:

https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...d-time-tribulation.211840/page-2#post-5115899

Hopefully, they will help "at least some" for now - as, I am about to get off of here for the night...

Do you believe the book of Revelation is chronologically ordered?

John's vision - and, the writing of Revelation - was before 70 A.D.

The 'great tribulation' of Matthew 24 is referring to a span of time from circa 70 A.D. until Armageddon.

I also don't understand how someone who pierced Jesus will be present at His return 2000 years later.

It's chiastic

Revelation was written before 70 A.D.

I agree that God will fulfill every promise. I don't believe the church replaces Israel but is engrafted in. So I guess I have a continuation theology.
I also don't believe God's eternal kingdom was ever about land. It was typified in an earthly kingdom. It's the same way I view salvation. The children of Israel were saved and delivered out of Egypt. But their physical salvation was a picture of spiritual salvation. In the same way the children of Israel physically took the promise land in physical battles. But I believe the physical battles are pictures of spiritual warfare and how we are to spread the kingdom of God by employing spiritual weapons.
There is neither Greek or Jew any longer. The wall of partition has been torn down. There is the one new man...the new creation.
So I'm not looking for a physical city.
I realize this may not be your understanding and I respect that. Christians don't always agree.

Luke 17:20-21
And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Revelation 21:9-10
And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God.

Revelation 11:15
The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:

“The kingdom of the world has become
the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
and he will reign for ever and ever.”

Why do people say God will reign in the physical state of Israel when the Kingdom of the world will become the Kingdom of the Lord,and that the kingdom of God is within?

The 'great tribulation' of Matthew 24 is referring to a span of time from circa 70 A.D. until Armageddon.

The 'time of Jacob's trouble' of Jeremiah 30:7 and the 'time of trouble' of Daniel 12:1 are referring [specifically] to Armageddon - which is at the very end of the 'great tribulation' of Matthew 24.

The 'great tribulation' of Matthew 24 is a very long period of time whereas the other is actually fairly short - and, exists within the Matthew 24 period of time at the very end of it.

good read:

https://www.preceptaustin.org/revelation-intro-date