There will be no Rapture!!!

Out of curiosity in the number of post you have made about Irenaeus have you ever read AH or are you saying these things because someone you know said it was incorrect? I'm asking because your saying this without giving chapters,quotes ect. as proofs.

Because a fourth of the world's population will be wiped out in the first half. Some may not believe the chronology of Revelation, but I do...apart from the various perspective shifts between Heaven and earth, such as the dragon chasing the woman with child, that is spiritual imagery that has an earthly manifestation. Not necessarily chronological in the sense of shifts of perspective, but still chronological overall.

If we differ on that, then we differ.

MM

AH? Please expand upon that acronym.

MM

but that is not the kind of WRATH the CHURCH faces and YOU know it.

The only WRATH the CHURCH could ever face, is the AC, but we are gone before then.


look at the tragedies today of WRATH [earthquakes-volcanoes-tsunami-etc-starvation-locust]
that is against humanity, not the Church.

I have to say that with an EGO like yours I don't know how you make through doorways.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

The books you keep saying are heresy i.e. "AH" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Against_Heresies_(Irenaeus)

cv5 said:
Except there is ultra-super-mega-wrath focused upon the "saints" from Rev 13 to the SC.
Proof of which I have posted MULTIPLE TIMES. Rev13:7, 10 & 13 for example.

to which @The_Watchers_2017 replied:
the Jews, of course. that was the Prophecy.

AAAAAnnnnd you lose again. Yet another total epic fail on your part. As of now, you have been proven 100% wrong 100% of the time.
You cannot do any worse than that.

You are and have been batting zero buddy. 100% strikeouts.

look at Covid.

many Christians died.

but that attack is against ALL humans, not the CHURCH.


these Vials are same thing. They attack HUMANITY, not the Church.

the Church only has ONE ENEMY, SATAN, he's the only one who could harm the CHURCH, but Jesus removes us right before he is able to.

Those SAINTS were Beheaded or came to Jesus via the 144k and happen AFTER the AC claims to be God.

https://christianchat.com/threads/there-will-be-no-rapture.212356/post-5150914

cv5 said:
Except there is ultra-super-mega-wrath focused upon the "saints" from Rev 13 to the SC.
Proof of which I have posted MULTIPLE TIMES. Rev13:7, 10 & 13 for example.

to which @The_Watchers_2017 replied:
the Jews, of course. that was the Prophecy.

the 144k are not even a point of focus [mentioned in Chapter 7] until Chapter 14

the 144k don't even Preach until the TWO WITNESSES are gone.

Two Witnesses are not Gone until midpoint Trib.

and the 144k Follow

and then we see those Saved from their preaching before the Throne of God

the others before God are the Beheaded

ALL happens AFTER midpoint trib


Act like you actually got a CLUE, cv5! ..even if you have to Pretend, like your pretend Doctrine!

Make up your mind. Jews or gentiles or the Church. If you even have even the slightest comprehension of the text that is.
And YOU SAY that the Church is raptured BEFORE MID-TRIB WRATH? That is an insane conclusion.

cv5 said:
Except there is ultra-super-mega-wrath focused upon the "saints" from Rev 13 to the SC.
Proof of which I have posted MULTIPLE TIMES. Rev13:7, 10 & 13 for example.

to which @The_Watchers_2017 replied:
the(se are) the Jews, of course. that was the Prophecy.

yes, for Daniel 12 and the 1290 day when Sin Offering will be commanded to STOP!


you are a DECEIVER!




YOU claimed the CHURCH was before the THRONE in Revelation 6-GWTJ!

those before the THRONE are not EVEN SAVED UNTIL AFTER MIDPOINT TRIBULATION, so, how is that the CHURCH, cv5?

Sorry about your confusion. Truly I am. God willing you will be able to actually grasp the basic fundamental precepts of Revelation at some point on the future. Because at this point, it is well established that you do not.

really, i am confident that the past 5 posts between us, anyone who reads, KNOWS, you are the confused one here, not me.

cv5 is placing the CHURCH before the Throne at Revelation 6.
but we know only 2 Groups are before the Throne, those Saved by the 144k and the Beheaded.
and the 144k don't even begin to preach until the Two Witnesses are gone, which don't happen until after mid trib [Revelation 14]
and those saved are not Standing before God until AFTER mid Trib.
and then the second group is mentioned 4 Chapters later, the BEHEADED!


talk about someone not only confused, but literally delusional!

What you are calling "wrath" in today's world is not the wrath of God. The word of God calls those "birth pangs" resulting from the destructive influences of sin upon creation. Even the heavens groan for release. As believing scientists, we recognize that as the playing out of the second law of thermal dynamics, which is a cause from sin, with the universe dying a slow and agonizing heat death.

Your claim that the Church will face the AC, that's a denial of what we know about the AC and the power OVER the remaining saints the AC to conquer them. If that were the Church, then God is a liar when He promised that the gates of Hell shall NOT prevail against the Church. Your system of belief hinges upon only a partial picture of what is revealed to us about AC and the Day of the Lord. Your definitions simply don't align with those of scripture.

Additionally, if the mid-trib thingy were true, then that too makes God a liar because if the Lord were to return at the middle, then EVERYONE can project to the day when He will come for the Church IF the Church were still here at that time, which it won't, and yet we are told it will come as a thief in the night to those who are not watching.

Sorry, but your system just doesn't match what's written.

MM

Ah, ok. My point in all that was simply to say that I do not look to Irenaeus or any other of the ante, post, or any other era, but rather only to the writings of the apostles. I pointed out that Irenaeus did in fact teach a falsehood regarding "recapitulationism". He was fallible, and that false teaching of his proved that point.

MM

Wrong. The rapture happens at the second coming according to multiple scriptures.

Say what lol? Everyone here knows and understands that I place the Church in HEAVEN......in Rev ch 4! Seen again in Rev ch 5!

BEFORE Revelation 6 every begins!

Church is long gone and have already been raptured, therefore not even on the earth between Revelation chapters 6 thru 18.

Get a clue buddy. Please PLEASE try and keep up.