What if you die before water baptism?

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How can you NOT be nice to Eli?! If we love God, we will love Eli.

What we say, think and do is to be done as if we have done it to our Lord Jesus Christ.

Be angry and sin NOT. Take a break… cool off. Come back when you can be nice.
well the question was how can you be nice, not I don't know how to be nice 😊

In other words what I'm asking is, if you yourself are nice to someone.

And then all that person does, is make a wrong assessment of your character and find fault in you.

How can that person view you as nice 😊

And how can you be nice, if they don't view the way you have treated them as nice 🤔
How can you ever be nice to that person.

Forgive me but I don't think I'm going to change who I am, because I'm nice to everyone I know
 

Genez

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How can you NOT be nice to Eli?! If we love God, we will love Eli.

What we say, think and do is to be done as if we have done it to our Lord Jesus Christ.

Be angry and sin NOT. Take a break… cool off. Come back when you can be nice.
Love does not mean "affectionate approval."

Agape love is an impersonal love.
Its a "live and let live - mind your own business, type love.
It guarantees your neighbor's personal freedom, and he for you...

Phileo love is the one that shows personal approval and affection.
We are commanded "agape" love for our neighbor.

Some people naturally wear their affections on their sleeve, and can make it a mess for others
who are walking in a Spirit filled agape love for others. It gets sappy and goofy when that happens.
Like the drunk who loves everybody while under the influence...
 
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I'm not the only one who thinks the holy spirit baptises you to 😊

I knew I wasn't mad

 

Lafftur

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Love does not mean "affectionate approval."

Agape love is an impersonal love.
Its a "live and let live - mind your own business, type love.
It guarantees your neighbor's personal freedom, and he for you...

Phileo love is the one that shows personal approval and affection.
We are commanded "agape" love for our neighbor.

Some people naturally wear their affections on their sleeve, and can make it a mess for others
who are walking in a Spirit filled agape love for others. It gets sappy and goofy when that happens.
Like the drunk who loves everybody while under the influence...
Jesus made it simple… Treat others the way you would want them to treat you.
 

Genez

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Jesus made it simple… Treat others the way you would want them to treat you.
What if they do not want to be treated as you would want to be treated?
The way you want to be treated may be legitimately offensive to another and make them uncomfortable.
The extrovert should not treat introvert as the extrovert wants to be treated.

Be sensitive to the needs of others. ........... "Live and let live."


grace and peace!
 

Genez

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Jesus made it simple… Treat others the way you would want them to treat you.
Jesus did make it simple for them. What was easy for them to understand what was "agape" love.
For in their culture they knew what that word indicated.

The other person is not the source of the love that we feel. Our love becomes more unconditional. Love is not personal, but it's always impersonal. And the more we begin to see how this is true, the more we begin to awaken to that feeling within us. Love, the impersonal kind, is the only love that really exists. (https://heidipaavilainen.com/impersonal-love-the-only-kind-of-love-that-exists/)

In our culture we need to be shown how the word agape was used. Keeping it too simple can lead to keeping it misunderstood.
I say that even though I know some do not want to be bothered to understand it better. I say it for those wishing to understand
if there is more to be understood. Those ones I am loving as I would want to be loved.... Golden rule.
 

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I expected a reply like this.

I believe qualified scholars. I was around academia long enough to know that scholars disagree about many things that can't be definitively proven. One has to chose whom they believe.
If you want to believe academia that's your business. You said it is "widely believed" that the last verses of Mark were added later; but what you mean by that is textual critics and some scholars believe it. I believe in using clear language.
 
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It’s okay, I think he’s trying to troll a little bit but I’m a world war 2 veteran. :p
He wants to be vague when it benefits him or wants to be specific when it benefits him.
Now in real life, this behavior is seen in lawyers who want every advantage to win some money but since there’s nothing to win here, it can be interpreted as trolling.
from where im standing, your the troll who is also a hypocrite.

Have a nice day 😊
 
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Jesus made it simple… Treat others the way you would want them to treat you.
Those who don't like correction, are those who don't want to be loved.

Because why.

Because they have an agenda with life.
 
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The holy spirit baptises you into the body the Christ.

It's called water baptism, being born of spirit and water.

You then receive a gift and baptism of fire.

Remission of sins.

So no you can not be fully saved untill this happens.
 

mailmandan

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The holy spirit baptises you into the body the Christ.

It's called water baptism, being born of spirit and water.

You then receive a gift and baptism of fire.

Remission of sins.

So no you can not be fully saved untill this happens.
Spirit baptism and water baptism are TWO DISTINCT baptisms. Matthew 3:11 - As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

In regard to being born of water and the Spirit, in John 3:5, Jesus mentions "living water" in John 4:10, 14; 7:37-39 and in John 7:38-39, we read - "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. But this He spoke concerning the Spirit. Did you see that? The Holy Spirit is the source of living water and spiritual cleansing. Jesus simply said "water" in John 3:5 and not baptism and Jesus connects this living water with eternal life. (John 4:14)

If "water" is arbitrarily defined as baptism, then we could just as justifiably say, "Out of his heart will flow rivers of living baptism" in John 7:38. If this sounds ridiculous, it is no more so than the idea that water baptism is the source or the means of becoming born again.

The word "water" is used in the Bible as an emblem of the word of God, and in such uses it is associated with cleansing or washing. (John 15:3; Ephesians 5:26) When we are born again, the Holy Spirit begets new life, so that we are said to become "partakers of the divine nature." (2 Peter 1:4) The new birth is brought to pass through "incorruptible seed, by the word of God, which lives and abides forever" (I Peter 1:23) and the Holy Spirit accomplishes the miracle of regeneration. (Titus 3:5)

So, to automatically read "water baptism" into John 3:5 simply because it mentions "water" is unwarranted.
 
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Spirit baptism and water baptism are TWO DISTINCT baptisms. Matthew 3:11 - As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

In regard to being born of water and the Spirit, in John 3:5, Jesus mentions "living water" in John 4:10, 14; 7:37-39 and in John 7:38-39, we read - "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. But this He spoke concerning the Spirit. Did you see that? The Holy Spirit is the source of living water and spiritual cleansing. Jesus simply said "water" in John 3:5 and not baptism and Jesus connects this living water with eternal life. (John 4:14)

If "water" is arbitrarily defined as baptism, then we could just as justifiably say, "Out of his heart will flow rivers of living baptism" in John 7:38. If this sounds ridiculous, it is no more so than the idea that water baptism is the source or the means of becoming born again.

The word "water" is used in the Bible as an emblem of the word of God, and in such uses it is associated with cleansing or washing. (John 15:3; Ephesians 5:26) When we are born again, the Holy Spirit begets new life, so that we are said to become "partakers of the divine nature." (2 Peter 1:4) The new birth is brought to pass through "incorruptible seed, by the word of God, which lives and abides forever" (I Peter 1:23) and the Holy Spirit accomplishes the miracle of regeneration. (Titus 3:5)

So, to automatically read "water baptism" into John 3:5 simply because it mentions "water" is unwarranted.
it's ok you've been listening to mixed up people a long time I understand 😊.

It's ok I do like you tho 👍
 

Lafftur

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The holy spirit baptises you into the body the Christ.

It's called water baptism, being born of spirit and water.

You then receive a gift and baptism of fire.

Remission of sins.

So no you can not be fully saved untill this happens.
No.

We’re saved by faith in Jesus Christ alone. His Blood cleans us from our sins and His Body gives us His Righteousness which is the human fulfillment of the Law for us.

Receiving Jesus Christ as Savior, Lord and King saves us. Then, Jesus Christ seals us with the Holy Spirit and we belong to Him, to God.

Then, our body is baptized in water;
Our spirit receives the baptism with the Holy Spirit; and
Our soul goes through the baptism of Fire.
 
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No.

We’re saved by faith in Jesus Christ alone. His Blood cleans us from our sins and His Body gives us His Righteousness which is the human fulfillment of the Law for us.

Receiving Jesus Christ as Savior, Lord and King saves us. Then, Jesus Christ seals us with the Holy Spirit and we belong to Him, to God.

Then, our body is baptized in water;
Our spirit receives the baptism with the Holy Spirit; and
Our soul goes through the baptism of Fire.
it's ok I can wait
I'm a cute dog waiting with my Dogs 😊

I'll wait 24 hours before replying, lord willing he will post the scripture for you.

Hopefully that's if my German shepherd guardian puppy eyes, that everyone says i have will be able to zoom in on a interpretation of interpretations.

As I believe that could be enough.

But if its not there's always the next day where I will be waiting at my well 😊

I might even have some biscuits for you
 

Lafftur

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Spirit baptism and water baptism are TWO DISTINCT baptisms. Matthew 3:11 - As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

In regard to being born of water and the Spirit, in John 3:5, Jesus mentions "living water" in John 4:10, 14; 7:37-39 and in John 7:38-39, we read - "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. But this He spoke concerning the Spirit. Did you see that? The Holy Spirit is the source of living water and spiritual cleansing. Jesus simply said "water" in John 3:5 and not baptism and Jesus connects this living water with eternal life. (John 4:14)

If "water" is arbitrarily defined as baptism, then we could just as justifiably say, "Out of his heart will flow rivers of living baptism" in John 7:38. If this sounds ridiculous, it is no more so than the idea that water baptism is the source or the means of becoming born again.

The word "water" is used in the Bible as an emblem of the word of God, and in such uses it is associated with cleansing or washing. (John 15:3; Ephesians 5:26) When we are born again, the Holy Spirit begets new life, so that we are said to become "partakers of the divine nature." (2 Peter 1:4) The new birth is brought to pass through "incorruptible seed, by the word of God, which lives and abides forever" (I Peter 1:23) and the Holy Spirit accomplishes the miracle of regeneration. (Titus 3:5)

So, to automatically read "water baptism" into John 3:5 simply because it mentions "water" is unwarranted.
Hello @mailmandan

Good to see you! Don't mind Thunderrr-mental..... he kinda acts like a troll. There's A LOT of things he says that just need to be ignored. But, he does read our posts! Perhaps, the Lord will give him understanding.
:love:(y)

Enjoy your day!
 

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What if they do not want to be treated as you would want to be treated?
The way you want to be treated may be legitimately offensive to another and make them uncomfortable.
The extrovert should not treat introvert as the extrovert wants to be treated.

Be sensitive to the needs of others. ........... "Live and let live."


grace and peace!
Well.... Jesus Christ said....:unsure:


Matthew 7:12

New King James Version

12 Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

I asked Jesus Christ your question....

"Lord Jesus, what if they do not want to be treated as I would want to be treated?" :unsure:

Jesus answered: "People have to choose to love and be loved. If your love for them is rejected by them, it's okay. They can choose to reject your love. Simply, forgive them when they do this and you continue to choose to love them anyway, however; do not force your love on them.... they know you love them and that is enough."
 

Lafftur

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Jesus did make it simple for them. What was easy for them to understand what was "agape" love.
For in their culture they knew what that word indicated.

The other person is not the source of the love that we feel. Our love becomes more unconditional. Love is not personal, but it's always impersonal. And the more we begin to see how this is true, the more we begin to awaken to that feeling within us. Love, the impersonal kind, is the only love that really exists. (https://heidipaavilainen.com/impersonal-love-the-only-kind-of-love-that-exists/)

In our culture we need to be shown how the word agape was used. Keeping it too simple can lead to keeping it misunderstood.
I say that even though I know some do not want to be bothered to understand it better. I say it for those wishing to understand
if there is more to be understood. Those ones I am loving as I would want to be loved.... Golden rule.
God's Love is agape love. His Love is one of the fruit of the Spirit. It is simple.... just let God love people through us... learn His Ways, know His Love, it's Him loving people through us. God's Love is the ONLY TRUE LOVE that does exist. His Love is PERFECT, there is NO FEAR in His Love.