Confrontation

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Jordache

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Several years ago I was in a very enmeshed relationship with a man in my church. It was not physical, but there was definitely an inappropriate connection. Because of my upbringing I really had no clue at first that it was wrong. When I realized that it was inappropriate I did my best at drawing boundaries but it was all very confusing. I didn't draw boundaries as far back as I should have. This man was in leadership with the youth group that I was also a leader in. At a youth retreat we went on a walk. At the time I honestly had no idea it was inappropriate. In the middle of our walk he decided to confess his affair to me. He told me every sorted detail about it including who it was, what made the first move, and what all the moves were. I was confused by it, so I told my college group leader who took it to the pastor. The man was dealt with but he lied in the face of the pastorclaiming that he never had an affair. He was banned from almost all communication with me. He was giving me thousands of dollars and was forced to stop. I didn't understand it, but I did go along with it. Several weeks ago I told him something I shouldn't have. I felt trapped into telling him. I should have not said a thing, but I made a mistake and did. Well, what I told him I believe whether consciously or not made him feel like he had a chance with me because he started telling me inappropriate things again. First he told
me his divorce would be final by Jan. He even told me the financial details. Then he questioned why I would confess anything to the pastors. He said he didn't confess anymore because it was none of their business. At one point he made a comment that he would marry me if he were single. This is not the first time he's said this. Later on he caught me in the hallway and snickered, "I'm cheating again." I looked at him and said "when are you gonna tell Bill?" He laughed "that's none of his business."
Needless to say, I was concerned enough to tell a pastor and his wife who pushed me to tell the main pastor. I promised I would but after the break when offices opened again. However, I found out his morning that it had already been brought up. The best part: they wanted me in on the meeting this time. This man got so mad. He called me a
bold faced liar more times than I can count. It hurt. I didn't make this stuff up. In fact he told another of my friends some of the same stuff. But he looked at me straight in the eye and said almost everything I said was a lie. I am angry and hurt. I kept my composure during the meeting. He went crazy. But he defamed me so horribly on front of two of the people I love the most.

It's all a but nerve racking because I don't know who they believe.
 

pickles

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Hugs Jordache, praying in Jesus for all truth to be revieled.

Hugs and God bless
pickles
 
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kenisyes

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One way or another (even if it hurts), they will wind up believing God. So just hang on, while He takes care of it for you.
 
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shekaniah

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I will take to the Lord in prayer,
He will set everything strait :)
Love and blessings, Shekaniah
 
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What you just shared in another fine example of the wretched condition of the church today!

I will pray for repentance on the scale of the city on Nineveh for all those that think what you wrote is the normal Christian experience, well mayabe it is in the lost church, poor, blind and naked, but not in the church God built in the heart of men who came to Him on thier own free will and ability, in repentnce and brokeness!


Open your eyes and listen!



Mat 13:16 But blessedareyour eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.


Mat 13:17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteousmenhave desired to seethose thingswhich ye see, and have not seenthem;and to hearthose thingswhich ye hear, and have not heardthem.

The word of God appeals to many God given senses, such as seeing with your eyes, and hearing with your ears, but Jesus Himself warned us to be careful how we see and hear His word and truth.
Today there seems to be legions and legions of Bible scholars, reformed teachers, Doctors of divinity, mega preachers, and high powered ministries that enthrall a form of godliness but deny its power!
But Jesus made it clear in His great teachings:
2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest perhaps as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ!
The message is simple, Jesus also said a child would perceive the truth more that most scholars who have been so deceived by the reformed doctrines, they cannot see or hear the simplicity that is in Christ.
Mat 18:2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Jesus preached a simple message as well as the profits of old, which was repentance and faith both proven by deeds (conduct, heart purity) over the very popular message multitudes have been deceived by, that tells them they were born sinners, Jesus was their substitute, took their wrath on the cross, and now by just believing as the devils believe, you are eternally secure, all sins pre forgiven, nothing else to do but sit back, enjoy the ride, waiting for the rapture to come and wisk you up into heaven with Christ.
Jesus mainly preached to the simple people of His day, making His powerful message available for all, the simple, and poor in spirit, to see, hear and understand His simple message, that has been totally distorted and confused with an exchange gospel getting sinful mankind saved IN their sins and disobedience. While waiting for God to miraculously make them stop. When in reality God is asking His creation to repent (stop) their sin and rebellion against Him, first as scripture clearly teaches, then seek His mercy, instead of waiting for something that usually never happens! ISA 55-7.
They wait and wait, while their sight and hearing go blind and deaf, they love to quote these high powered Bible scholars and their favorite reformed preachers, who all endorsed many false and pagan teachings making Christianity what it is today! Poor, blind and naked!
1Co 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame!
Tommy
 
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OnThisRock

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Ok, I had some thoughts........

A.) God uses his annointed (YOU) to expose lies and hidden sins. Following Christ is not easy but my first gut reaction, was that He put you, whom He trusts, in the face of this lie for exposure. And, you never know how many women he has manipulated like this, and have hidden this and not exposed his behavior. Maybe God is sick of it.

Luke 12:3 says...... What you have said in the dark will be heard in the daylight, and what you have whispered in the ear in the inner rooms will be proclaimed from the roofs.

What happens, is the devil tries to twist it against to make you seem like the liar. This man dragged you into his sin. That's what sin does. Now you know!! Repent, follow the Lord and move on. Any shame and guilt is not from the Lord. He will use all this for the good of others. For instance, now you have a working knowledge of deceit and boundaries and can help other women who may be in this situation especially in the church.


I had a similar experience with a pastor who was meeting with women in his 'chambers' alone to get information on people so that he could use those issues to preach from the pulpit and manipulate people. It was a disgusting sick thing, but the Lord had me "see" it for a reason. I warned them, and they turned on me. But as long as we do what the Lord tells us we are right with Him.

Alot of people will not believe TRUTH because it causes an uproar. That's in scripture.... LOOK, they crucified Jesus!! HE was TRUTH

God Bless you SIS! Keep following the Lord and move on from those who don't believe it. We serve and fear the Lord not man.
 
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Jordache

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So after I left he continued to deny everything. The solution as of now is that he was given a firm warning.
The man is an arrogant, deceitful, and lustful wretch. He only began saying these things to me after I said something I shouldn't have. Whatever I said made him think there was an open door and he had a chance with me. First it was the cheating comment and saying that he'd never tell the pastors because it was none I their business. Then it was the "I'd marry you if I was single". Then last Sunday he compared me to some other girl while we were practicing for worship. Standing in line for Starbucks, the worship pastor whispered to me "he's flirting with you." That was the final straw. I confronted him previously about comments he used to make about my body. He did stop but he reacted like a child for weeks making snide little comments like "nice hair. Oh wait can I say that or is that inappropriate too?"
I know that had I give him an inch, he would have run off with me and dropped his wife like a hot potato. And I knew where his comments were headed. I'm not stupid. He may have told people he was my adoptive father, but he would have dropped that dream if I'd ever given into his fantasy. The problem is he decided to tell everyone he's impotent during our meeting. Now I'm not an expert in male anatomy, but something still functioned even if he wasn't all up I par. But he made me look like an idiot.
 
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shekaniah

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Prayers continue for you,
May the Lord guard your heart and mind in Jesus :)
Father encamp Jordache with Your warring angels.
Do not let the enemies flaming arrows get through.
Show her how to keep the full armor of God on for her protection.
In Jesus Name, Amen

The Armor of God

10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people.
 
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So after I left he continued to deny everything. The solution as of now is that he was given a firm warning.
The man is an arrogant, deceitful, and lustful wretch. He only began saying these things to me after I said something I shouldn't have. Whatever I said made him think there was an open door and he had a chance with me. First it was the cheating comment and saying that he'd never tell the pastors because it was none I their business. Then it was the "I'd marry you if I was single". Then last Sunday he compared me to some other girl while we were practicing for worship. Standing in line for Starbucks, the worship pastor whispered to me "he's flirting with you." That was the final straw. I confronted him previously about comments he used to make about my body. He did stop but he reacted like a child for weeks making snide little comments like "nice hair. Oh wait can I say that or is that inappropriate too?"
I know that had I give him an inch, he would have run off with me and dropped his wife like a hot potato. And I knew where his comments were headed. I'm not stupid. He may have told people he was my adoptive father, but he would have dropped that dream if I'd ever given into his fantasy. The problem is he decided to tell everyone he's impotent during our meeting. Now I'm not an expert in male anatomy, but something still functioned even if he wasn't all up I par. But he made me look like an idiot.
A firm warning after more than one confrontation is unacceptable in such a circumstance. Do you have any witnesses? Other ladies with the same issue with him? Note the text:

Ephesians 5:11-12 (NASB)11 Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them; 12 for it is disgraceful even to speak of the things which are done by them in secret.

As a christian, it's your duty to expose wolves in sheep's clothing in the church. Who knows how many women he's did this to already? Find out how many, share your story with them, & all of you take it to the Pastor. If all he gets is a ''warning'' take it then before the the board. This is a serious issue. Keep yourself covered in prayer during this. God will be with you.
 
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Jordache

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The first confrontation was years ago. I do know that he's said similar things to other people. However, the only person who can confirm that she heard one of the things just the way I heard it will not get involved. This man is a lustful man. I know it. He's constantly making comments about women including myself and my friend who is younger than I am. He would tell me I was his kind of woman, as well as many other more graphic and specific comments about parts of my and my friends bodies. Of course, he thinks he's just complementing.
I have no doubt that he is under great scrutiny right now... as am I since he made me look like a lying fool. He may have lied to me about his affair. He may have lied to me about his divorce. He may have told me different things than he told anyone else, but I also know if I'd given him one hint of interest, he would have jumped at the chance to be a whole lot more than my "friend". I honestly believe he was testing the waters to see if I would be interested.
I have done my part, and he's exposed even if no one's really sure who to believe. I know what he said. I know he's got a rep for lying, and I believe that God will make the truth known. I am an honest person, and God knows that. This person is not, God knows that too. The Lord is my defense.