Richie i see where your coming from but really the people who use the site deserve the right to know an to have w say in such things other wise you have a site being ran like communisism and if you dont know why certain people where banned then how do you know the admins or mods are doing there job correctly nobody but God is perfact an will make the right choice everytime... which is why everyman should be held accountable if there in a posistion of athourity or power an how cab you do that if you dont know the reasons behind what they do.
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Simply put, publicly publishing the reason for every ban opens the site to potential civil suit from those who are banned since often bans are for reasons such as persons cybering. Opening bans for a public vote would turn the ban process into a popularity contest.....popular chatters who routinely violate the rules would be unbannable. Likewise there is accountability to each other among the Mod/Admin team each ban is reviewed and from time to time bans are reversed.
When push comes to shove, this chat room is the virtual equivalent to someone's home. When someone enters the space that I live in they are subject to the rules of my home and I have the unilateral authority (without having to ask the permission of other guests of my home) to remove them if they choose to disrespect the rules of my home. The same thing applies within this site. The owner of this site has appointed a Mod/Admin team to run this site according to the rules of the site and we are accountable to him, not the users (although the users benefit from these rules being upheld).
The Mod/Admin team donates literally thousands of hours per month to this site to make it a clean and safe site for the users to frequent and it never ceases to amaze me the number of people who gripe about the service that we provide to them for free at our expense. Yes, not only do the staff here volunteer our time to make this place a success but many of us likewise donate our finances to keep the bills paid.
When push comes to shove, this chat room is the virtual equivalent to someone's home. When someone enters the space that I live in they are subject to the rules of my home and I have the unilateral authority (without having to ask the permission of other guests of my home) to remove them if they choose to disrespect the rules of my home. The same thing applies within this site. The owner of this site has appointed a Mod/Admin team to run this site according to the rules of the site and we are accountable to him, not the users (although the users benefit from these rules being upheld).
The Mod/Admin team donates literally thousands of hours per month to this site to make it a clean and safe site for the users to frequent and it never ceases to amaze me the number of people who gripe about the service that we provide to them for free at our expense. Yes, not only do the staff here volunteer our time to make this place a success but many of us likewise donate our finances to keep the bills paid.
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I'm sorry, what right do you have to know the reasons behind the choices of people who run this site make? This is a free site. You aren't paying them a salary. And they aren't accountable to you. The only ones they are accountable to is the site owner. And he is responsible to God.
This is a typical model for running things. What job do you know of that the owner/manager who wants to fire an employee has to get the approval of his other employees? What job do you know where they release the reasons behind firing, or any other choices? None i've ever heard of. This doesn't equate to communism. This is the standard of leadership. Sometimes it's fair, sometimes it's not. But it's the smartest way to run a site, business or anything else.
To me a bigger problem is someone with an attitude that he thinks he's owed something from people or a business but doesn't give anything to begin with. You seem to feel you're owed something you don't really deserve.
This is a typical model for running things. What job do you know of that the owner/manager who wants to fire an employee has to get the approval of his other employees? What job do you know where they release the reasons behind firing, or any other choices? None i've ever heard of. This doesn't equate to communism. This is the standard of leadership. Sometimes it's fair, sometimes it's not. But it's the smartest way to run a site, business or anything else.
To me a bigger problem is someone with an attitude that he thinks he's owed something from people or a business but doesn't give anything to begin with. You seem to feel you're owed something you don't really deserve.
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Haha! Communism? No. This isn't the Cold War. This is Sparta! I mean Christian Chat. We don't silence non-Christians but there are certainly people who just join to cause trouble and rile up people? Why should they be let in the front door and allowed to pee on the carpet. That would be stupid and irresponsible, wouldn't it. That behaviour's not acceptable anywhere, least of all on a complex and controversial forum such as this. The mods and admin do a great job. Thanks, guys!
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From what I have seen, most people who get banned break the rules which are clearly posted. In the chat rooms I think the mods act slowly and after they have warned the person that they need to change how they are chatting or posting. So they are doing a good job and they do not need us second guessing their decisions or forcing them to explain their actions. Sometimes those who get banned can come back if they repent. I really don't think the rules are unfair nor are they applied unfairly. This site clearly needs the mods as it comes under all sorts of attacks. The least we can do is support them, even if we feel it is unfair.
You seem like a cery level heahed person but you used the wrong analogy... if you look at christibe chat like a bussibess than the memembers wouldnt be the employees but the customers... an a bussiness with out costumers is going to go out of bussiness so even though someone else may actually own the company he has to listen to the people who use his bussiness if he wants to stay in bussiness... though i do suppose this site dosent have to worry about that because it has a amount of what youd call loyal cusomers i guess who just go along with what ever the company does an dosent even question it.... an in return they can go into the bussibess an act a fool an not get thrown out where as if a bew customer comes in an does something that may be a lil bit disruptive they get made to leave.... cause im sorry but ive been hede long enough to see thats how this site works ive seen numerous times newer memebers would get banned an older memebers wouldnt when they were both being just as much a problem.
Exactly which is the point of this thread in the first place if we dont know what alls goin on than.. than people like me an others have to question wether it was done right or not but if we just knew why a banning happen an could see all reasons where legit than we wouldnt feel the neef to question such things.... an its not that i have a problem with any admin mods an think they cant be trusted.... but i dont just trust blindly ether.
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IF you were banned? How many people would want to know the reason you were banned? Be honest! I can tell you it want be a huge, if not much at all. I know one or 2 people who were banned, I got on well with them, and I thought to my knowledge they were decent, likeable people to get on with. once I found out they were banned, well I didn't go complaining to mods or admin, to find out the reason why they were banned, It was not my calling, and none of my business. If they are banned? then it would be there own fault. I honestly don't think reasons of banning is to be explained or exposed. I just cant see the point.
But may I ask, as to your full reasons why should a mod or admin Should let the world know why they banned certain person? I'm just curious as to why someone would want to know people's business.
But may I ask, as to your full reasons why should a mod or admin Should let the world know why they banned certain person? I'm just curious as to why someone would want to know people's business.
Its not about knowing someones bussiness its about knowing people are band for legit reasons.... some guy gets bannned an i couldnt see a reason why how do i know he wasnt banned just based on personal feelings or baises.... perfact example people were arguing over a doctrinal issue on here the other day.. one of the people who belived one way got banned but the guy who belived the other way didnt get banned an the one who didnt gey banned was defintly the more rude of the two.... now the one person may have been banned for reason not to do with that thread but sence i cant find that information anywhere than i have to belive they where banned because of that thread an since only one was banned i have to belive the person was banned based on a mods personal biais which would led me to not trust the moderaters... but if there was a forum i could go to an look an see o this person was banned for this reason that seems legit.... then theres no trust problems between me an the mods an i would feel better about being on this site an probaly even donate some money to it.... but im not gonna donate to a site that idk if i can fully trust.
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Just because you don't see why doesn't mean there isn't a legitimate reason. You're making assumptions that people are banned only because of what you see, when often times it seems its the things not said in public that get people banned. So your 'perfact' example isn't perfect at all.
You're still only assuming. Just because you can't find the reasons posted doesn't at all mean the only reason must be from the thread you saw. That is quite faulty logic. Does your job post the reasons out in the open when someone gets fired? Does any job? Nope. Same points i made before, that magically got no response. Probably because it shoots down your expectation that a privately owned site that is offered freely to the public doesn't feel the need to explain their every action to you. Which you then take as the site has something to hide.
What about the banned persons personal business? What if they are caught, for example, using the site in an inappropriate manner? What right is it of the site to publish that information for the entire site to see?
Bottom line is, one of the mods already gave you a valid explanation that you simply ignored. Which is it puts the site in a potential legal issue to post things of this manner without permission.
And, again, the site doesn't owe you an explanation. The owner is the one who sets the standards, and we don't have to like it. The site is free. You lose nothing. And if the sites methods (which are, again, the same methods you see all over the place, and is quite common) don't meet your approval you always have the option to not stay.
You're still only assuming. Just because you can't find the reasons posted doesn't at all mean the only reason must be from the thread you saw. That is quite faulty logic. Does your job post the reasons out in the open when someone gets fired? Does any job? Nope. Same points i made before, that magically got no response. Probably because it shoots down your expectation that a privately owned site that is offered freely to the public doesn't feel the need to explain their every action to you. Which you then take as the site has something to hide.
What about the banned persons personal business? What if they are caught, for example, using the site in an inappropriate manner? What right is it of the site to publish that information for the entire site to see?
Bottom line is, one of the mods already gave you a valid explanation that you simply ignored. Which is it puts the site in a potential legal issue to post things of this manner without permission.
And, again, the site doesn't owe you an explanation. The owner is the one who sets the standards, and we don't have to like it. The site is free. You lose nothing. And if the sites methods (which are, again, the same methods you see all over the place, and is quite common) don't meet your approval you always have the option to not stay.
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So what are you saying the mods and admin are not banning for legit reasons? Get this in your head bro. people get banned purely because they have either disrespected, or caused trouble and offended someone or the site. The mods would not ban a person for any other reasons listed above. Its knowing people's business no matter how you wrap it up with. If you think that the mods or admin are not doing a good job, or if you feel that a mod or admin has banned a person You know wrongly, then wouldn't it be better for you to go to a mod or the admin, to chat with them about it, rather posting a thread in hope people will agree with you and to side with you of your opinions? I mean look up, how many people has supported your Thread?
No offence brother you are on a losing battle here. The mods are not going to share there reasons of banning. End of. If so? then the mods or admin would of stated the reasons in this thread to explain.
God bless. I just cant see it happening brother. and by the previous posts above, you can see that I'm not alone thinking it.
otherwise your Opinion or your idea would be more supported.
No offence brother you are on a losing battle here. The mods are not going to share there reasons of banning. End of. If so? then the mods or admin would of stated the reasons in this thread to explain.
God bless. I just cant see it happening brother. and by the previous posts above, you can see that I'm not alone thinking it.
otherwise your Opinion or your idea would be more supported.
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Its none of our business what legit reason the mods banning them for. Its between the mods and admin and the people who they are banning for what ever purpose. AGAIN! it's none of our business. so lets not make it our business. If you got banned, I'm not being funny, but I wouldn't want to know the reasons why or what you were banned for. And I'm sure other people on here would say the same.
So lets drop it. you not going to get to know, and that's it, simples!
So lets drop it. you not going to get to know, and that's it, simples!
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Well, I just remember about the story of Mary's messianic pregnancy. Joseph, her fiancé, thought Mary cheated on him and was pregnant because of adultery. Joseph could have told his whole neighborhood about it, and at that time, people would have stoned Mary to death. Joseph told no one about this, and he was preparing himself to secretly ban Mary from his home.
But an angel told the truth to Joseph about the miraculous messianic pregnancy, and the angel told him to not fear to take Mary as his wife. It's written:
" Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit.19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily.
20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus. "
Matthew 1: 18-25 ( KJV )
Joseph had great compassion for Mary, and didn't want to humiliate her in public; he probably wanted to save her life too as people would have stoned her to death if they thought Mary committed adultery, just as with the adulterous woman Jesus saved from people who wanted to stone her to death ( all is linked in Scriptures, that's fascinating ).
On the other hand, Peter was rebuked in Church by his brother Paul because of hypocrisy about eating unclean food secretly. It's written :
" But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
12 For before that certain came from Jacob, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews? "
Galatians 2:11-14 ( KJV )
Here, Peter is being rebuked before all in the Church ! That means there should be secrecy only outside the Body of Christ in public places,
but there should be no secrecy inside the Body of Christ in holy places !
So the question is, should we consider CC as a public place, or as a holy place like Church ?
For Christian brothers and sisters should never sue each other in pagan public places, but they should bring conflict matters in holy places only, as it's written :
" Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren. "
1 Corinthians 6:1-8 ( KJV )
Enough said.
But an angel told the truth to Joseph about the miraculous messianic pregnancy, and the angel told him to not fear to take Mary as his wife. It's written:
" Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit.19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily.
20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus. "
Matthew 1: 18-25 ( KJV )
Joseph had great compassion for Mary, and didn't want to humiliate her in public; he probably wanted to save her life too as people would have stoned her to death if they thought Mary committed adultery, just as with the adulterous woman Jesus saved from people who wanted to stone her to death ( all is linked in Scriptures, that's fascinating ).
On the other hand, Peter was rebuked in Church by his brother Paul because of hypocrisy about eating unclean food secretly. It's written :
" But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
12 For before that certain came from Jacob, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews? "
Galatians 2:11-14 ( KJV )
Here, Peter is being rebuked before all in the Church ! That means there should be secrecy only outside the Body of Christ in public places,
but there should be no secrecy inside the Body of Christ in holy places !
So the question is, should we consider CC as a public place, or as a holy place like Church ?
For Christian brothers and sisters should never sue each other in pagan public places, but they should bring conflict matters in holy places only, as it's written :
" Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren. "
1 Corinthians 6:1-8 ( KJV )
Enough said.
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