All 613 Laws

[KohenMatt]

yet you dont know about 70 ad or
read ,hebs ch 9- 10.

do, you do any research, to the history of the bible.

the law, your bible quotes are about. etc

your quotes, are from (the old covenant) law, that was given to the jewish people .

Hebrews 9-10 (actually all of the book of Hebrews) is talking to those who keep the Law in order to gain better standing before God, to obtain salvation, sanctification, perfection and righteousness. The Law was never intended to do that, so obviously it can't.

So when you consider that, personal application of the Law is a good thing and perfectly in line with the new covenant and Jesus' sacrifice.

 

[royalscot]

Hebrews 9-10 (actually all of the book of Hebrews) is talking to those who keep the Law in order to gain better standing before God, to obtain salvation, sanctification, perfection and righteousness. The Law was never intended to do that, so obviously it can't.

So when you consider that, personal application of the Law is a good thing and perfectly in line with the new covenant and Jesus' sacrifice.

is it. can you give chapter and verse to your speculation. please

 

[KohenMatt]

is it. can you give chapter and verse to your speculation. please

All throughout Hebrews, what exactly is Paul saying the Law is useless for? Does he only say that the Law is overall bad, or that it is useless for salvation?

(By the way, what is the significance of 70ad you're talking about? What event are you referring to. Honestly asking.)

 

[royalscot]

All throughout Hebrews, what exactly is Paul saying the Law is useless for? Does he only say that the Law is overall bad, or that it is useless for salvation?

(By the way, what is the significance of 70ad you're talking about? What event are you referring to. Honestly asking.)

chapter and verse, you were ask for, to support your last quote. please.

 

[KohenMatt]

chapter and verse, you were ask for, to support your last quote. please.

There is not a specific Scripture that says "This is who this book is talking to." Regardless of whether I think it's talking to those who keep the Law for salvation, or you thinking it's talking to anyone keeping any part of the Law, it's about the context and content of the entire book. Surely you would agree that we need to understand the context and content of any book when studying, even if it doesn't state the exact person it's given to.

 

[royalscot]

There is not a specific Scripture that says "This is who this book is talking to." Regardless of whether I think it's talking to those who keep the Law for salvation, or you thinking it's talking to anyone keeping any part of the Law, it's about the context and content of the entire book. Surely you would agree that we need to understand the context and content of any book when studying, even if it doesn't state the exact person it's given to.

you made a statement, prove it. in your quote. the scripture says a lot of things. etc please

so would interpretation mean al lot to the whole or gist of the meaning the writer is making etc

Hebrews 9-10 (actually all of the book of Hebrews) is talking to those who keep the Law in order to gain better standing before God, to obtain salvation, sanctification, perfection and righteousness. The Law was never intended to do that, so obviously it can't.

So when you consider that, personal application of the Law is a good thing and perfectly in line with the new covenant and Jesus' sacrifice.( your quote)

 

[KohenMatt]

you made a statement, prove it. in your quote. the scripture says a lot of things. etc please

so would interpretation mean al lot to the whole or gist of the meaning the writer is making etc

Sorry, but I can't really understand your grammar or your question. Could you clarify it please?

Hebrews 9-10 (actually all of the book of Hebrews) is talking to those who keep the Law in order to gain better standing before God, to obtain salvation, sanctification, perfection and righteousness. The Law was never intended to do that, so obviously it can't.

So when you consider that, personal application of the Law is a good thing and perfectly in line with the new covenant and Jesus' sacrifice.( your quote)

There is no specific Scripture that says who Hebrews is talking to. But be careful that you carry that same standard to every book of the Bible, that it has to specifically mention who it is talking to in order to understand it.

But here is a helpful question regarding my point.

Does Paul or Jesus ever advocate keeping the Law for any reason?

 

[mcubed]

I think this has been such a great read. My favorites, are the people who slander Torah, we cannot keep such laws. And they have proved what G-d said from the beginning. He gave us all the negative and positive laws to show mankind we cannot live up to His righteousness; we are sinners in need of a Savior. I am so grateful for such Masterful, Wonderful Words from my Lord. I know I cannot keep them, so I received my Savior, now I am a “son”. The Law is unto righteousness, and as a “daughter” I am commanded by G-d to be Holy for He is Holy. I am so blessed because the Law tells me what G-‘s Holiness is. And the icing on the cake…. My Savior Y-shua enables me to keep the Law, where on my own I most certainly cannot. And when I fall short, which I do, my sins’ are forgiven. It’s such a beautiful orchestra no man could have ever come up with it; it’s all needed the Old and the New and it fits together like any analogy you want to pick…

 

[Infusion]

Sorry, but I can't really understand your grammar or your question. Could you clarify it please?



There is no specific Scripture that says who Hebrews is talking to. But be careful that you carry that same standard to every book of the Bible, that it has to specifically mention who it is talking to in order to understand it.

But here is a helpful question regarding my point.

Does Paul or Jesus ever advocate keeping the Law for any reason?

If you read the bible, Paul continually said to abandon the old law, while Christ said to keep it.
As Christ said "Do not misunderstand, I come not to abolish the law but to fulfill it"
and to "Keep the law with your whole heart"

Christ himself obeyed the old laws, he went to temple on Saturday, not church on Sunday. He kept the feasts and participated in Passover.

I do not beleive Christ came to start a new religon as he himself was a Hebrew.

 

[KohenMatt]

JUSTICE – Final Part

320 Exodus 20:10 -
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:


321 Exodus 16:29 -
See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.


322 Exodus 35:3 -
Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.


323 Exodus 12:16 -
And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.


324 Exodus 12:16 -
And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.


325 Leviticus 23:21 -
And ye shall proclaim on the selfsame day, that it may be an holy convocation unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute for ever in all your dwellings throughout your generations.


326 Leviticus 23:25 -
Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.


327 Leviticus 23:35 -
On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.


328 Leviticus 23:36 -
Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.


329 Leviticus 23:28 -
And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the LORD your God.

 

[KohenMatt]

INCEST AND OTHER FORBIDDEN RELATIONSHIPS - Part 1 of 2

330 Leviticus 18:7 -
The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.


331 Leviticus 18:8 -
The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakedness.


332 Leviticus 18:9 -
The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover.


333 Leviticus 18:11 -
The nakedness of thy father's wife's daughter, begotten of thy father, she is thy sister, thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.


334 Leviticus 18:10 -
The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or of thy daughter's daughter, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover: for theirs is thine own nakedness.


335 Leviticus 18:10 -
The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or of thy daughter's daughter, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover: for theirs is thine own nakedness.


336 Leviticus 18:10 -
The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or of thy daughter's daughter, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover: for theirs is thine own nakedness.


337 Leviticus 18:17 -
Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter, neither shalt thou take her son's daughter, or her daughter's daughter, to uncover her nakedness; for they are her near kinswomen: it is wickedness.


338 Leviticus 18:17 -
Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter, neither shalt thou take her son's daughter, or her daughter's daughter, to uncover her nakedness; for they are her near kinswomen: it is wickedness.


339 Leviticus 18:17 -
Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter, neither shalt thou take her son's daughter, or her daughter's daughter, to uncover her nakedness; for they are her near kinswomen: it is wickedness.


340 Leviticus 18:12 -
Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's sister: she is thy father's near kinswoman.


341 Leviticus 18:13 -
Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister: for she is thy mother's near kinswoman.


342 Leviticus 18:14 -
Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's brother, thou shalt not approach to his wife: she is thine aunt.


343 Leviticus 18:15 -
Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy daughter in law: she is thy son's wife; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.


344 Leviticus 18:16 -
Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother's wife: it is thy brother's nakedness.

345 Leviticus 18:18 -
Neither shalt thou take a wife to her sister, to vex her, to uncover her nakedness, beside the other in her life time.

 

[Dan_473]

If you read the bible, Paul continually said to abandon the old law, while Christ said to keep it.

the Holy Spirit didn't inspire Paul's letters?

 

[Infusion]

the Holy Spirit didn't inspire Paul's letters?

Paul never met Jesus but deemed himself the 13th apostle. He mocked the other apostles in public. And spent his life killing believers. If he spoke against the Law of the Father and the teachings of the Messiah then I dont think the holy spirit was the inspiration. It is written that the holy spirit gives the power to heal, cast out demons, and prophecy like the apostles and the Messiah did. Paul never did this. As its written if these miracles are not performed its not the holy spirit.

 

[Dan_473]

Paul never met Jesus but deemed himself the 13th apostle. He mocked the other apostles in public. And spent his life killing believers. If he spoke against the Law of the Father and the teachings of the Messiah then I dont think the holy spirit was the inspiration. It is written that the holy spirit gives the power to heal, cast out demons, and prophecy like the apostles and the Messiah did. Paul never did this. As its written if these miracles are not performed its not the holy spirit.

that's an interesting view!

(and welcome to CC!)

what books of the Bible do you view as inspired by the Holy Spirit?

 

[mcubed]

But Paul did spend 3 years in Arabia where he received the Gospel from the Lord (Galatians 1:11-17). And he made a visit to the Throne of God (2 Cor. 12:1-4) where he saw things he was not allowed to talk about. In 1 Cor. 15:3-8, when Paul recounted all the Lord’s post resurrection appearances, he included himself as one who had seen Him. So, at some point, he apparently did have a physical meeting with the Lord.
Paul’s Writings are inspired; if one cannot believe 2/3 of the New Testament are the infallible, inerrant Word of G-d how can one believe anything in the Scripture is true!?! Most do not understand the oral law is held “equal” by religious Jews any many it is even held above the Written Law. Saul spoke out against the Written Law just like our Lord Y-shua did. Many Christians do not understand that to this day.... What is one to do.... I hope not to reject G-'s Word it is so much funner to fight over it like we do....

 

[Infusion]

that's an interesting view!

(and welcome to CC!)

what books of the Bible do you view as inspired by the Holy Spirit?

Christ said the holy spirit will be left after he died. He called it the 'helper'. I dont see the holy spirit as the spirit of the Creator, or any feeling inside your heart. I see the holy spirit as a power received to do miracles that the Messiah did. Thus its part of what they call the 'trinity' as its not the same thing. I think the rest of the books were inspired by those who witnessed the encounters of the Lord and Angels.

 

[Dan_473]

But Paul did spend 3 years in Arabia where he received the Gospel from the Lord (Galatians 1:11-17). And he made a visit to the Throne of God (2 Cor. 12:1-4) where he saw things he was not allowed to talk about. In 1 Cor. 15:3-8, when Paul recounted all the Lord’s post resurrection appearances, he included himself as one who had seen Him. So, at some point, he apparently did have a physical meeting with the Lord.
Paul’s Writings are inspired; if one cannot believe 2/3 of the New Testament are the infallible, inerrant Word of G-d how can one believe anything in the Scripture is true!?! Most do not understand the oral law is held “equal” by religious Jews any many it is even held above the Written Law. Saul spoke out against the Written Law just like our Lord Y-shua did. Many Christians do not understand that to this day.... What is one to do.... I hope not to reject G-'s Word it is so much funner to fight over it like we do....

Jesus spoke against the written law?

 

[mcubed]

No, the oral law.

 

[Dan_473]

Christ said the holy spirit will be left after he died. He called it the 'helper'. I dont see the holy spirit as the spirit of the Creator, or any feeling inside your heart. I see the holy spirit as a power received to do miracles that the Messiah did. Thus its part of what they call the 'trinity' as its not the same thing. I think the rest of the books were inspired by those who witnessed the encounters of the Lord and Angels.

THE ACTS 13:2 While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, "Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them."

in your view, did the Holy Spirit call Paul to a particular work?

 

[Dan_473]

No, the oral law.

I see...

I was confused by "Saul spoke out against the Written Law just like our Lord Y-shua did."