Animals in scripture

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posthuman

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Bring Him your best bull, and He will showed you how it is cursed.
less than the serpent, obviously.

But you have exalted my horn like that of the wild ox;
you have poured over me fresh oil.

(Psalm 92:10)
 
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Thank you, posthuman.

you should not fear;
you are worth more than many sparrows.

(Matthew 10:31)
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom:
a good understanding have all they that do His commandments:
His praise endures for ever.

Psalm 111:10

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge:
but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Proverbs 1:7

The fear of the LORD is to hate evil:
pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

Proverbs 8:13

But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear:
Fear Him, which after He hath killed hath power to cast into hell;
yea, I say unto you, Fear Him.

Luke 12:5

A link.
Paul
 
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Thank you Dusty Rhodes.
Let us never forget the donkey:

Numbers 22:28
27When the donkey saw the angel of the LORD, she lay down under Balaam; so Balaam was angry and struck the donkey with his stick. 28And the LORD opened the mouth of the donkey, and she said to Balaam, "What have I done to you, that you have struck me these three times?"
Thank you for offering me this.

I haven't forgotten Balaam's donkey.
But I am teaching how we make burnt offerings here.

But definitely, Balaam's donkey is an animal in scripture too,
and maybe you can make a whole burnt offering for us,
to teach all about that donkey, and why he made into the scripture.

I wouldn't mind if you did that in my thread here.
I would love to hear it,
because I still don't know why we have talking donkey in our scripture.
Jesus hasn't showed me that one yet.

I didn't see a commandment in there for me
(apart from not to be cruel to animals, which I already know),
so I didn't bring it to Him.
I'm still working at understanding all His commandments.

Praise Jesus
Paul
 
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Originally Posted by DustyRhodes
Let us never forget the donkey






Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout in triumph, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your king is coming to you; He is just and endowed with salvation, Humble, and mounted on a donkey, Even on a colt, the foal of a donkey.
(Zechariah 9:9)
Do you think that is related to Balaam's donkey in some way?

Not saying you do, I'm just asking.

And thank for pointing out another animal in scripture.
Paul
 

posthuman

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Do you think that is related to Balaam's donkey in some way?

Who has let the wild donkey go free?
Who has loosed the bonds of the swift donkey?
He scorns the tumult of the city;
he hears not the shouts of the driver.
He ranges the mountains as his pasture,
and he searches after every green thing.

(Job 39:5-8)

Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth;
for the Lord has spoken:
“Children have I reared and brought up,
but they have rebelled against me.
The ox knows its owner,
and the donkey its master's crib,
but Israel does not know,
my people do not understand.”

(Isaiah 31:2-3)

Some of the Pharisees near him heard these things, and said to him, “Are we also blind?”
Jesus said to them, “
If you were blind, you would have no guilt; but now that you say, ‘We see,’ your guilt remains."
(John 9:40-41)

But every first offspring of a donkey you shall redeem with a lamb,
but if you do not redeem it, then you shall break its neck

(Exodus 13:13)

He is come that we may have life



 

posthuman

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"The ass in eastern countries is a very different animal from what he is in western Europe. The most noble and honorable amongst the Jews were wont to be mounted on asses. (With us the ass is a symbol of stubbornness and stupidity, while in the East it is especially remarkable for its patience, gentleness, intelligence, meek submission and great power of endurance.)"

-- L. Abbott.
 
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It is hard to explain, how keeping sayings carry us through our lives.
It might help to use an example.
I will take take the most well known bull of all.

The main bullock in a Christian's herd is Jesus' death, or "Jesus died for us".
In fact, they have a team of these bullocks pulling their cart.
You have heard them all before. Here are just some of their names.
"He died for our sins"
"by His shed blood."
"Saved by the cross"

So how does keeping this team of bullocks help them?
Well, when challenged by unbelievers,
such as unconverted family members, friends, and people they are trying to convert,
on the validity of their belief,
the challenges can be met head on with these "Jesus died for us" sayings.

If someone points out to them
that their word contradicts the word of God in their book,
replying with "Jesus died for us" and "you just have to have faith [in that bull]",
saves them from most situations like that.

Because non Christians do not know how to speak to it,
and fellow Christians will confirm them, and forget their transgressions of God's words.

I can be a bit problem for them, when they meet me,
because I can take their offerings by the horns and speak to them.

God has given me stronger oxen than theirs, and I have a larger herd.
Because I brought Him bulls.
I even brought Him all their bulls.

When I was a newbie in the word, still trying to understand it,
and so asking questions and pointing out to Christians
when it seemed to me they were saying differently to Jesus,
they all challenged me by asking if I believed that Jesus died for me.

Or simply stomped their spiritual right foot, demanding that I have to believe Jesus died for us,
in order to be saved (but really, implying, in order for me to understand their "Faith").


But I was trying to understand God's word.
I had already heard the Christian Faith a thousand times, or way more, and couldn't buy into it.
And yes, I was also trying to understand why Christians prefer to believe in their Faith over God's words.
The sheer number of times I was asked that question, caused me to bring it to God.
Did Jesus die for me?
I didn't know.
And I couldn't just believe it because millions believe it and say it is true. It still could be bull.
Millions more say God isn't real, and I know they are all wrong.
So the number of people saying it doesn't mean it is true.

So I brought it to God.
I didn't know I was bringing Him a bullock.
But when He was come, He helped me to dissect it.

The truth is, every person that dies for a just cause dies for us.
Everyone who fought to make life better for us all, and died in that fight, died for us.
And everybody dies, so that Jesus died isn't the big deal.
The special thing about Jesus is that He rose again.
That He rose again is our sign from God that Jesus is the one we should listen to.
Jesus is the one that God chose.

Having brought it to God, I was able to lay that bullock to rest.
And I had an answer to them who say I must believe Jesus died for us.
I tell them, Jesus rose for me.

"Jesus rose for me" is a much better bull to have in your herd.
It lifts the heart every time to think of it,
and it reminds me, Jesus is alive.

He is not dead.

God showed me, as I was dissecting that bull.
To those who pray Jesus died for them, He is dead for them.
They hardly hear His word.
They say, "Don't need to, because He died for our sins".

They don't stand in His presence. They confess to us, they kneel at His cross.
To God, their worship is as one who goes to visit the grave of a lost one.
These are things that He shows me, when I bring Him bulls.

After that sabbath, this saying from Jesus struck out at me,
"if a man keep My saying he shall never see death." (Jo 8:51)
And then I could see clearly how the Christians take not their eyes off of death,
even the death of their own God!
And they incessantly demand of us, their fellow believers, to keep Faith in Jesus' death.
Makes me think they have a mental image of Him hanging on the cross, which they worship. I don't know.
But their offerings, the herbs that they tithe, rarely fail to contain a mention of Jesus' death.

And the fact that Jesus rose again rarely rates a mention.

Here are a couple of better bulls, really excellent bulls, to place at the head of your herd.
"If a man keep My saying, he shall never see death"
"Behold, I give you power to tread on scorpions and serpents, and over all the power of the enemy,
and nothing by any means shall hurt you"

These enlighten you, if you keep them.
Enlightens your load.
 
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Thank you for those posthuman.

Excellent verses, and a very interesting piece of information.
And you caused me to remember this one.

How canst thou say, I am not polluted, I have not gone after Baalim?
see thy way in the valley, know what thou hast done:
thou art a swift dromedary traversing her ways;

A wild ass used to the wilderness, that snuffs up the wind at her pleasure;
in her occasion who can turn her away? all they that seek her will not weary themselves;
in her month they shall find her.

Withhold thy foot from being unshod, and thy throat from thirst:
but thou said, There is no hope: no; for I have loved strangers, and after them will I go.

Jeremiah 23:25

God stung me with that one.
Me a she-camel? A wild ass snuffing the wind?
Is that how you see me Lord?
Then I pray You, fix me.
Beautify me with Your salvation.

I was wild grapes.
Paul
 

mar09

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I was simply going to quote a verse with gazelle, when i got to read a bit more=). So here.

Deliver thyself as a roe from the hand of the hunter, and as a bird from the hand of the fowler.
KJV

Escape like a gazelle from a hunter, like a bird from a fowler's trap.

HCSB, ISV, DARBY, NASB, NET, AM, LEB, WEB
Prov. 6.5


Encyclopedias - Scripture Alphabet of Animals - The Roe or Gazelle

THE ROE, OR GAZELLE.

The roe belongs to the class of antelopes-animals very much resembling
the deer; they are equally innocent and beautiful, and are often
mentioned together in the Bible. The form of the antelope is, if
possible, still more graceful than that of the deer, and its limbs still
more delicate; but the principal difference between them is in the
horns. Those of the deer grow from the bone of the forehead, and are at
first small; but they are renewed every spring-the old horns falling
off, and being succeeded by larger ones which grow in their place. They
are at first covered with a soft, downy substance, called "the velvet;"
but this soon comes off in fragments, leaving the horn white and smooth.
The antelope never sheds its horns.

The roe or gazelle is the smallest animal of the antelope kind; it is
only about two feet in height, and not more than half the size of the
fallow-deer. Its eyes are remarkably soft and expressive; so that the
people of those countries sometimes say of a beautiful woman, "She has
the eyes of a gazelle."

Biblehub says: The word "gazelle" does not occur in the King James Version, where tsebhi and tsebhiyah, in the 16 passages where they occur, are uniformly translated "roe" or "roebuck."
 

Christian71

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No animal in scripture that I can think of besides the Serpent makes you stand back and take notice than this one!... Brother Glen:eek:

Job 41:1 Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down?

41:2 Canst thou put an hook into his nose? or bore his jaw through with a thorn?

41:3 Will he make many supplications unto thee? will he speak soft words unto thee?

41:4 Will he make a covenant with thee? wilt thou take him for a servant for ever?

41:5 Wilt thou play with him as with a bird? or wilt thou bind him for thy maidens?

41:6 Shall the companions make a banquet of him? shall they part him among the merchants?

41:7 Canst thou fill his skin with barbed irons? or his head with fish spears?

41:8 Lay thine hand upon him, remember the battle, do no more.

41:9 Behold, the hope of him is in vain: shall not one be cast down even at the sight of him?

41:10 None is so fierce that dare stir him up: who then is able to stand before me?

41:11 Who hath prevented me, that I should repay him? whatsoever is under the whole heaven is mine.

41:12 I will not conceal his parts, nor his power, nor his comely proportion.

41:13 Who can discover the face of his garment? or who can come to him with his double bridle?

41:14 Who can open the doors of his face? his teeth are terrible round about.

41:15 His scales are his pride, shut up together as with a close seal.

41:16 One is so near to another, that no air can come between them.

41:17 They are joined one to another, they stick together, that they cannot be sundered.

41:18 By his neesings a light doth shine, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning.

41:19 Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out.

41:20 Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron.

41:21 His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth.

41:22 In his neck remaineth strength, and sorrow is turned into joy before him.

41:23 The flakes of his flesh are joined together: they are firm in themselves; they cannot be moved.

41:24 His heart is as firm as a stone; yea, as hard as a piece of the nether millstone.

41:25 When he raiseth up himself, the mighty are afraid: by reason of breakings they purify themselves.

41:26 The sword of him that layeth at him cannot hold: the spear, the dart, nor the habergeon.

41:27 He esteemeth iron as straw, and brass as rotten wood.

41:28 The arrow cannot make him flee: slingstones are turned with him into stubble.

41:29 Darts are counted as stubble: he laugheth at the shaking of a spear.

41:30 Sharp stones are under him: he spreadeth sharp pointed things upon the mire.

41:31 He maketh the deep to boil like a pot: he maketh the sea like a pot of ointment.

41:32 He maketh a path to shine after him; one would think the deep to be hoary.

41:33 Upon earth there is not his like, who is made without fear.

41:34 He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride.

 

Crustyone

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Genesis 8 6-12 [FONT=&quot]6 After forty days Noah opened a window he had made in the ark[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]7 and sent out a raven, and it kept flying back and forth until the water had dried up from the earth.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]8 Then he sent out a dove to see if the water had receded from the surface of the ground.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]9 But the dove could find nowhere to perch because there was water over all the surface of the earth; so it returned to Noah in the ark. He reached out his hand and took the dove and brought it back to himself in the ark.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]10 He waited seven more days and again sent out the dove from the ark.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]11 When the dove returned to him in the evening, there in its beak was a freshly plucked olive leaf! Then Noah knew that the water had receded from the earth.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]12 He waited seven more days and sent the dove out again, but this time it did not return to him.

So how did the raven keep flying and the dove couldn't? Any ideas what each might symbolize?[/FONT]
 
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Most kids these days carry a dragon in their pocket.
I call it a pocket dragon, because they can pull it out anytime they need him.
He is very effective, against adults and most forms of authority.
When confronted with an adult chastising them, they say, "whatever".

The adults have no skill in serpent handling,
and this tiny little pocket dragon has them stumped, nearly every time.
Only, try using it on dad, and he is likely to pull out a big dragon.
And the kids mostly know not to tangle with their dad's dragons.

I mention this one, because you know this pocket dragon.
He came through the gates only a few years ago, but he propagated around the world in flash.
Now nearly all kids have him in their pocket.
(The marvels of modern media.)

And I call them kids,
because they are not being a child when they set a dragon on you.
Paul
 
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Thank you brother, Glen.

And thank you again for the wonderful scripture.
No animal in scripture that I can think of besides the Serpent makes you stand back and take notice than this one!... Brother Glen:eek:

Job 41:1 Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down?

By the grace and help of Jesus, I was able to draw out the Leviathan's tongue.
And you are right, I haven't got to the Levite that is within our gates yet.
But are we really ready for that one?
Are you able to behold Him?

Behold now Behemoth, which I made with thee;
He eats grass as an ox.

Job 40:15

You are welcome to bake an offering about the Leviathian here, if you want, brother Glen :)

Praise Jesus
Brother Paul
 
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Thank you, mar09.

I was simply going to quote a verse with gazelle, when i got to read a bit more=). So here.

Deliver thyself as a roe from the hand of the hunter, and as a bird from the hand of the fowler.
KJV

Escape like a gazelle from a hunter, like a bird from a fowler's trap.

HCSB, ISV, DARBY, NASB, NET, AM, LEB, WEB
Prov. 6.5


Encyclopedias - Scripture Alphabet of Animals - The Roe or Gazelle

THE ROE, OR GAZELLE.

The roe belongs to the class of antelopes-animals very much resembling
the deer; they are equally innocent and beautiful, and are often
mentioned together in the Bible. The form of the antelope is, if
possible, still more graceful than that of the deer, and its limbs still
more delicate; but the principal difference between them is in the
horns. Those of the deer grow from the bone of the forehead, and are at
first small; but they are renewed every spring-the old horns falling
off, and being succeeded by larger ones which grow in their place. They
are at first covered with a soft, downy substance, called "the velvet;"
but this soon comes off in fragments, leaving the horn white and smooth.
The antelope never sheds its horns.

The roe or gazelle is the smallest animal of the antelope kind; it is
only about two feet in height, and not more than half the size of the
fallow-deer. Its eyes are remarkably soft and expressive; so that the
people of those countries sometimes say of a beautiful woman, "She has
the eyes of a gazelle."

Biblehub says: The word "gazelle" does not occur in the King James Version, where tsebhi and tsebhiyah, in the 16 passages where they occur, are uniformly translated "roe" or "roebuck."
Excellent work.

And you made me think of a couple more.

Even as the roebuck and the hart is eaten, so thou shalt eat them:
the unclean and the clean shall eat of them alike.

Deuteronomy 12:22

I charge you, O ye daughters of Jerusalem,
by the roes, and by the hinds of the field,
that ye stir not up, nor awake my love, till He please.

Solomon's Song 2:7

Nimble and swift
Paul
 
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Thank you Crusty.

Genesis 8 6-12 6 After forty days Noah opened a window he had made in the ark7 and sent out a raven, and it kept flying back and forth until the water had dried up from the earth.8 Then he sent out a dove to see if the water had receded from the surface of the ground.9 But the dove could find nowhere to perch because there was water over all the surface of the earth; so it returned to Noah in the ark. He reached out his hand and took the dove and brought it back to himself in the ark.10 He waited seven more days and again sent out the dove from the ark.11 When the dove returned to him in the evening, there in its beak was a freshly plucked olive leaf! Then Noah knew that the water had receded from the earth.12 He waited seven more days and sent the dove out again, but this time it did not return to him.

So how did the raven keep flying and the dove couldn't? Any ideas what each might symbolize?
An excellent question.

I don't have the answer.
But you have given me something to pray on.
And for that I thank you.
Paul
 

Christian71

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I don't think we need to know what Leviathan is, there has been a lot of speculation on this from different writers... Rhino, Croc, Dinosaur, Dragon, ect... but I'm sure Job knew what God was talking about... I think God is telling Job, I made him and I only control him... God is still in control and has never lost it... Brother Glen:)
 
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Posthuman,
I am so terribly sorry, and thank you for the sparrows.

When I read "you should not fear" I PRESUMED, and took offense,
thinking you were implying that I was afraid.
And I missed seeing the sparrows altogether!

I feel so ashamed. Please do forgive me.
I strive to be perfect, obviously I am not.

And this is a good response from you too.

less than the serpent, obviously.

But you have exalted my horn like that of the wild ox;
you have poured over me fresh oil.

(Psalm 92:10)
Longhorn steer. :)

Ezekiel chapter 34 is a good one for oxen behaviour.

I sincerely apologize again.
Paul
 
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Thank you, brother Glen.
I don't think we need to know what Leviathan is, there has been a lot of speculation on this from different writers... Rhino, Croc, Dinosaur, Dragon, ect... but I'm sure Job knew what God was talking about... I think God is telling Job, I made him and I only control him... God is still in control and has never lost it... Brother Glen:)
Is that it?
After you offered it up, you tell us you think we don't need that section of scripture?
And it sounds like a Rhino or croc?
Not to me He doesn't.

Did God make a Rhino with you?
And is your Rhino chief of the ways of God?

He is the chief of the ways of God:
He that made Him can make His sword to approach unto Him.

Job 40:19

The Leviathan is special animal.
The most important animal in the scriptures.
One day, I'll make a special thread just for Him :)
Paul

And the Levite that is within thy gates;
thou shalt not forsake Him;
for He has no part nor inheritance with thee.

Deuteronomy 14:27​