Being condemned by Christians

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John_agape

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Feb 27, 2014
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This might be a bit off topic, but my impression of the homosexuality is a sin issue, is focusing on it as a special sin. It is a sin, just as pride is a sin. I am not a homosexual, but if I pride myself for not doing this sin, then I am sinning.

The first commandment is to love God. In the New Testament the 10 Commandments are summarised into two. Love God with all your heart, soul, spirit, mind and the second is to love your neighbour.

All sin is a result of failing in the first commandment.
 
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Animus

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This might be a bit off topic, but my impression of the homosexuality is a sin issue, is focusing on it as a special sin. It is a sin, just as pride is a sin. I am not a homosexual, but if I pride myself for not doing this sin, then I am sinning.

The first commandment is to love God. In the New Testament the 10 Commandments are summarised into two. Love God with all your heart, soul, spirit, mind and the second is to love your neighbour.

All sin is a result of failing in the first commandment.
Again, I know this isn't the point of the thread, but I think that if this example is cleared up that might eliminate some of the problems between the two types of Christians we generally see. Homosexuality only gets treated as a special sin because it is not viewed as a sin by society. Everyone is pretty much in agreement about theft being a sin, and so the topic never really comes up. It is not right for Christian's to be comfortable with any sin in ourselves, which is why Jesus says to take the plank out of your own eye before removing the speck from your brothers. Nowhere does it say that because you have a log in your eye you can just forget about the log and the speck. Many Christian's are more concerned about homosexuality because of the gay agenda which is pressing for integration of homosexual acts into sexual education for kids, and encouraging teachers to read stories promoting homosexuality, such as "The King and King", which my father, who is a teacher, was told to read to his class, and not inform the parents about it.
 
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gene77

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I know you said it wasn't about this, but to get a sense of why she might have called you a lukewarm Christian, how would you respond to the following questions:

1. "If I'm not a Christian, am I going to hell?"
2. "Can I practice homosexuality and be Christian?"

I find that generally what people say is Christians condemning them comes when questions such as these are asked and the Christian gives an honest answer. When I talk to gay people I don't condemn their homosexuality, in the same way that I don't condemn my other friends for watching porn or fornicating, but when people find out I'm a Christian they tend to ask this sort of question, "Do you think it's a sin to be gay?" and I answer yes, and when they ask, "Do you think homosexuals should be allowed same-sex marriage?" and I say no, then they become indignant.
Hi Animus,

I get where you're coming from. I've had lengthy discussions on this topic. A friend of mine who is a heterosexual Christian, keeps bringing up homosexual topics, so much so that I actually started crying once out of sheer fatigue from discussing it. Haha!! He hasn't discussed it with me since. I do have quite a few homosexual friends, and I've had conversations on the matter with them. It's a very tricky subject. The Bible certainly claims that homosexuality is wrong, and then you have homosexual Christians who are now coming up with claims that a homosexual relationship is alright within marriage.

All that being said, the first question should be who is a Christian?? I don't believe that Christianity can be properly termed as a "religion". It's more of a relationship with Christ. A Christian is someone who simply follows Christ and His teachings. The only way to heaven is through Christ who gives us Salvation. So, if you do not accept Christ as your Savior, then yes (according to my belief), you will go to hell.
Coming to the question of homosexuality. The Bible states that homosexuality is a sin as much as any other sin. If you commit it, you cannot enter heaven. Same thing goes for murdering, lying, stealing, committing adultery, greed, and the like. Homosexuals can argue that Jesus never stated that homosexuality is a sin, but Paul stated it.
This being said, Sodom and Gomorrah was burned down for two main reasons: homosexuality and because they didn't help their poor. God made that decision. Jesus is God, as Jesus was always with God from the beginning. Only thing, back then, Jesus was called the Word, and not Jesus Christ. But, He was always there. Right from the beginning. That means, that decision must have been made by Jesus too. Therefore, homosexuality should be considered a sin. Can you be a follower of Christ and practice homosexuality? It's like asking-- Can I be a follower of Christ and commit adultery/lie/cheat?
All of us sin. Even when we are followers of Christ. We should strive not to commit any sin, and be more like Christ.

When you answer them, and they tell you that you are condemning them, let them know that you are merely stating what you believe in. And, you love them nonetheless. Everyone is free to their own opinions. They feel it's right. You feel it's wrong. They shouldn't hold you to your answer, otherwise, they are the ones condemning you for your beliefs.
 
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biscuit

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Hi Ecclesiastik,

Thank you for your reply. The girl who called me a lukewarm Christian did not know me at all. And, had never spoken to me at all. She just PM-d out of the blue and sent me websites to check out for Christians who need to return to God. And, then she called me a lukewarm christian, and told me to repent for my sins. She asked me questions such as if my heart is right with Jesus. I asked her if this is a general question which she is posing to everyone in the chat room. She first said that it was a general one, and then said that she feels in her heart that I am not right with Jesus and that I need to repent of my sins. Which was extremely weird to me because she does not know me at all. I presume she assumes herself to be a prophet or one who can gauge if a person is "right with God or not".

If she knew me and felt that I was straying away from God, and told me so in a nice way, it would have been a different matter. However, she had never spoken to me before. So, I found it extremely strange that someone would do this.

I agree with your take on negative reinforcement. It's like a parent correcting his or her child, because they want them to be better. It's done out of love, generally. Jesus loved the people, and therefore he corrected them. He however knew their sins and after showing them compassion he would tell them to go and sin no more.

-- Gene
Hi Gene, there are Christians who wear the faith in their hearts while others wear it on their sleeves. Like everything in life, you will have to sort out the good, bad & the ugly and that also pertain to Christian. There are some so-called Christians that I do avoid because they are not really true Christians from the heart. The next time she PM you quote Matthew 7:3-5 to her.

Please keep up the good Christian work.
 
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gene77

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Sometimes I believe people mean well. They have been used to their comfort zone and getting outside that makes them feel threatned in some way. Some on sites such as this hide behind the words and are seeking direction. Some like the power and feed off it in some bizzare way.Some need to be taught but are trying to teach. Some are well seasoned and mature but not all. That has to be remembered. In a family as large as ours we take the drunk uncle as well as the walk on water nephew and love them in spite of their faults. Keep doing what you are doing. Did you notice how I did not use one scripture to say what the bible says? Whatever is in you will at some point come out. Let me leave you with this, As sheep we eat the word of God. It replaces all the junk we have eatenover the years. Well even sheep leave behind stuff after eating! Get it> There will always be dung around even sheep. Be blessed young sister.
Hi Pastac,

Thank you for your reply! I deeply apologize for missing your post. I did read it now, and it made me laugh! In all sincerity, though, I get what you mean, and I agree. After all, we are all human. Everyone makes mistakes, and in this competitive world, a lot of people try to out-best other people, and sadly, it's even so within our own religious communities. Sometimes, I have seen even jealousy and envy among pastors. We all need to know that we are called for different purposes. Some get the opportunity to make a difference in the lives of millions around the world, and bring many to Christ. Others, get the opportunity to bring maybe just 1 person. But, even that makes a huge difference. It might not be much of a difference to us, but to that one person it means life. Literally.

That being said, I believe that focusing on just one or two people at a time, is much more of a benefit than trying to make a difference in a big crowd. Things are sometimes more meaningful on a one-to-one basis than on a one-to-hundred basis. Because every individual is different. And, I take it that that is what you did mean through your post. =)

God bless you, pastac.

-- Gene
 
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gene77

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Hi Gene, there are Christians who wear the faith in their hearts while others wear it on their sleeves. Like everything in life, you will have to sort out the good, bad & the ugly and that also pertain to Christian. There are some so-called Christians that I do avoid because they are not really true Christians from the heart. The next time she PM you quote Matthew 7:3-5 to her.

Please keep up the good Christian work.
Hi biscuit,

Thank you so much for your reply. Your words were very encouraging. I will remember to keep Matthew 7:3-5 handy! =D

Thanks again!!

-- Gene
 
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pastac

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wise beyond your years young sis keep laughing remember the sheep stuff!