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Desdichado

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Until we build a sentient android or discover faster than light travel to discover a hyper-rational alien race with pointed ears, there will be no person alive more "objective" (however we wish to define it) than Thucydides.

Well, that makes a difference in trusting his history, but everyone is touched with the brush of subjectivity. It's impossible to be conpletely objective, though some people are more objective than others.
 
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jennymae

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Until we build a sentient android or discover faster than light travel to discover a hyper-rational alien race with pointed ears, there will be no person alive more "objective" (however we wish to define it) than Thucydides.
Wouldn't a bias driven device get us farther away than ever before? Bias is an underestimated fuel.
 
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Galatea

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She was getting at something, but it was some broadside against truth outside human perception.

Again, her misgiving was mostly how we divide objective and subjective. That it somehow does not line up with individually ascertaining truth vs. untruth.

She just never expanded on why it's inadequate. I'm reading one of her books right now to see if I can strike oil.
Please let us know what she meant. I am curious now.
 
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jennymae

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What exactly are you getting at?
Lol, I'm just having some fun with the word "objective". It had nothing to do with your post apart from you mentioning traveling faster than the speed of light;).
 
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On a side note:
Since it appears likely that the "readers" may soon elect to read Pride & Prejudice, it seems appropriate to here introduce the characters of the book...... since it is, basically, a Soap Opera, and it is sometimes difficult to keep up with who is whom.

Here is a list of the characters"

Jane Austen: Pride and Prejudice -- Index of Characters
 
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One more “warning” for you when reading Pride and Prejudice. They often talk about " — — shires " or she'll mention a "Lord — —. " Here’s, what the lines are for, and what they mean exactly.

Britain's counties are called shires, you've got Oxfordshire, Berkshire, Yorkshire, Buckinghamshire... the list goes on and on. Austen doesn't want to specify a specific shire for the novel to be set in. It was quite common practice in those days, it means you can't say "Oh, this can't be true, there is no house like that in Cheshire." The Lord thing is along the same lines, Lords are famous people and they're on a register somewhere, so if Lady Catherine mentions that she knows Lord Waberly or someone (a man who really exsits in real life) then if he's asked and says that he doesn't know a Lady Catherine, then the logic of the book is lost. It just sort of saves on social awareness on the part of the author and avoids annoying any aristocracy by accidentally mentioning them.
 
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Galatea

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One more “warning” for you when reading Pride and Prejudice. They often talk about " — — shires " or she'll mention a "Lord — —. " Here’s, what the lines are for, and what they mean exactly.

Britain's counties are called shires, you've got Oxfordshire, Berkshire, Yorkshire, Buckinghamshire... the list goes on and on. Austen doesn't want to specify a specific shire for the novel to be set in. It was quite common practice in those days, it means you can't say "Oh, this can't be true, there is no house like that in Cheshire." The Lord thing is along the same lines, Lords are famous people and they're on a register somewhere, so if Lady Catherine mentions that she knows Lord Waberly or someone (a man who really exsits in real life) then if he's asked and says that he doesn't know a Lady Catherine, then the logic of the book is lost. It just sort of saves on social awareness on the part of the author and avoids annoying any aristocracy by accidentally mentioning them.
Sometimes, when you read older books, they don't write in a date. I remember reading books and the line would read 18--. I don't really know the reason why this is, but it seems to have been one of the conventions.