I am interested in your opinions. Could some of you express your opinions about these verses please.
Ro 11:19 Thou wilt say, then, `The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in;
Ro 11:20 by unbelief they were broken off, and thou hast stood by faith; be not high-minded, but be fearing;
Ro 11:21 for if God the natural branches did not spare--lest perhaps He also shall not spare thee.
In Romans Paul seems to be speaking of natural Jews who lost their faith and gentiles who became faithful followers of God.
Is this instance of the vine from Romans 11 the same instance of the vine mentioned in John 15?
In John chapter 15 - God The Father is the Husbandman or farmer. Jesus is the vine and His faithful followers are the branches.
At this time, and as far as I understand them - these verses from John suggest that a person can be removed from Christ if they had been faithful but lost their faith. This would be similar to the Natural Jews losing their position with God because they refused to believe.
Although these individuals in John 15 had believed in Christ, at some point they refused to believe anymore, and as a result were cut off from the vine or Christ.
Joh 15:1 ¶ I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. {without me: or, severed from me}
(KJV)
Brian
Ro 11:19 Thou wilt say, then, `The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in;
Ro 11:20 by unbelief they were broken off, and thou hast stood by faith; be not high-minded, but be fearing;
Ro 11:21 for if God the natural branches did not spare--lest perhaps He also shall not spare thee.
In Romans Paul seems to be speaking of natural Jews who lost their faith and gentiles who became faithful followers of God.
Is this instance of the vine from Romans 11 the same instance of the vine mentioned in John 15?
In John chapter 15 - God The Father is the Husbandman or farmer. Jesus is the vine and His faithful followers are the branches.
At this time, and as far as I understand them - these verses from John suggest that a person can be removed from Christ if they had been faithful but lost their faith. This would be similar to the Natural Jews losing their position with God because they refused to believe.
Although these individuals in John 15 had believed in Christ, at some point they refused to believe anymore, and as a result were cut off from the vine or Christ.
Joh 15:1 ¶ I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. {without me: or, severed from me}
(KJV)
Brian