Cains flippant answer. Maybe not so flippant after all
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What we have here is the age old conflict. Abel hearing Gods word and obeying Gods word as God gave it and Cain hearing Gods word and changing it to suit him despite what God clearly stated. God offers Cain forgiveness with the Lamb at the door but Cain rejects Gods gracious offer. Cain preferred his righteousness to that which God established.
Cain and Abel were twins as scripture records one conception and two births.
I say Cain was not as much flippant as he was just outright rebellious toward God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Cain and Abel were twins as scripture records one conception and two births.
I say Cain was not as much flippant as he was just outright rebellious toward God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Awesome! I KNEW you were gonna bring parables up. 
And that was before Jesus was crucified and resurrected. I'm crucified with Him and resurrected in my heart. There's no need for Him to speak in parables to His own vessel of honor. Remember, He said He must ascend so His Holy Spirit can live in us.
And that was before Jesus was crucified and resurrected. I'm crucified with Him and resurrected in my heart. There's no need for Him to speak in parables to His own vessel of honor. Remember, He said He must ascend so His Holy Spirit can live in us.
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Ezekiel prophesied that Jesus would speak in parables (proverbs or figurative moral lessons). And Jesus explains to us why He did speak in that way. The Lord said that He was revealing the secrets from the foundation of the earth to us. He was showing us the Father’s heart. The obstinate and the proud did not get it because their minds were darkened. Jesus’ words were parables ONLY TO THE CARNAL MIND. To those whose hearts were submitted to God, the Lord’s words were crystal clear. To His own, His Word is absolute Truth.
Romans 8:7 - Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Isn’t that plain enough? It is IMPOSSIBLE to commune with and perceive God as a Father, it is impossible to understand and accept His Word unless you are humbly abandoned to Him with a child’s submitted heart.
In Matthew 19:25 the disciples were rather exasperated when they realized there was no earthly way to be saved and accepted into the kingdom of heaven. They asked Jesus, “Who then can be saved?” And the Lord answered, “It’s impossible, no man can save himself. But with God, all things are possible.”
God Himself opened up the Kingdom of heaven to us through Jesus Christ His Son. The only way to take advantage of this Great Invitation is by submission to His Son with a repentant heart. Not a proud heart, not an obstinate heart, not with an intellectual mind, not with a rebellious mind, not with a metaphysical mind.
Only through humbly submitting to Jesus Christ and being honest in our heart can we be saved: “Forgive me, O Lord! I am lost and blind without You! I need You, Jesus! I am corrupt and like a beast without You. I have nothing but selfish motives without You! I am morally insane without You! I am a proud fool who is deceived without You! ”
Nope. Jesus does not speak in cryptic messages to His own. That’s an insane concept. The Holy Spirit would not commune with His Spirit in us in parables. The sheep hear the Shepherd’s Voice clearly and follow Him.
All this to say, if there is a legitimate point to be made that would bless the children of God and in turn, glorify the Lord Jesus Christ, I am ready to hear it. I don’t even mind little “Ah ha!” moments and simple moral exercises that remind you to be more sober and vigilant spiritually.
On the other hand, I don’t want to wade through drawn-out riddles and contend with debating vague posts and work out cryptograms to see the simple point of a life-giving message.
Romans 8:7 - Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Isn’t that plain enough? It is IMPOSSIBLE to commune with and perceive God as a Father, it is impossible to understand and accept His Word unless you are humbly abandoned to Him with a child’s submitted heart.
In Matthew 19:25 the disciples were rather exasperated when they realized there was no earthly way to be saved and accepted into the kingdom of heaven. They asked Jesus, “Who then can be saved?” And the Lord answered, “It’s impossible, no man can save himself. But with God, all things are possible.”
God Himself opened up the Kingdom of heaven to us through Jesus Christ His Son. The only way to take advantage of this Great Invitation is by submission to His Son with a repentant heart. Not a proud heart, not an obstinate heart, not with an intellectual mind, not with a rebellious mind, not with a metaphysical mind.
Only through humbly submitting to Jesus Christ and being honest in our heart can we be saved: “Forgive me, O Lord! I am lost and blind without You! I need You, Jesus! I am corrupt and like a beast without You. I have nothing but selfish motives without You! I am morally insane without You! I am a proud fool who is deceived without You! ”
Nope. Jesus does not speak in cryptic messages to His own. That’s an insane concept. The Holy Spirit would not commune with His Spirit in us in parables. The sheep hear the Shepherd’s Voice clearly and follow Him.
All this to say, if there is a legitimate point to be made that would bless the children of God and in turn, glorify the Lord Jesus Christ, I am ready to hear it. I don’t even mind little “Ah ha!” moments and simple moral exercises that remind you to be more sober and vigilant spiritually.
On the other hand, I don’t want to wade through drawn-out riddles and contend with debating vague posts and work out cryptograms to see the simple point of a life-giving message.
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Awesome! I KNEW you were gonna bring parables up. And that was before Jesus was crucified and resurrected. I'm crucified with Him and resurrected in my heart. There's no need for Him to speak in parables to His own vessel of honor. Remember, He said He must ascend so His Holy Spirit can live in us.
And that was before Jesus was crucified and resurrected. I'm crucified with Him and resurrected in my heart. There's no need for Him to speak in parables to His own vessel of honor. Remember, He said He must ascend so His Holy Spirit can live in us.
Don't you know all of them would have loved to pick up a Bible sent from the future! Nothing would have been changed.
I've spent a lot of time ministering to jailed prisoners who typically excuse their crimes. Adam did that by blaming God for that woman He gave. Cain denied having responsibility for another life, there being no commandment to do so. was no law against murder then. An accused murderer will deny doing anything wrong, then when convicted and in prison will often switch to excusing their crime by casting aspersions on the victim, or continue denying guilt. "If you knew her you would have done the same thing." They will seem fearless before God and man while accused, but once convicted they say the punishment is unfair, too great, or that they will be unfairly killed by other prisoners. "I don't deserve to die because of what I did (or did not do)." Those lines are old!
Adam and Eve didn't suffer too much over Cain. Genesis 4:26 (KJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.
They didn't stop with Cain, but birthed more sons and daughters, Seth when Adam was 130, Adam dying at 930 years of age. Cain's age when murdering Abel is not recorded, but he lived as a marked murderer to probably take a sister or maybe a daughter of Abel, or maybe a granddaughter or other relative while a marked murderer to found a new city named after his own son.
I take from that God warns us not to mask or lie to Him bout our sins. He warned Cain that sin was at the door, like He warned Adam before Adam fell in sin. He warns man. But even when we sin after being warned He is ready to forgive upon our repentance. What a wonderful God!
I wonder some about how history might have been changed had Cain repented. Instead he contributed to a world of sinners that unlike Seth's influence, led to the necessity of drowning the world of wicked men.
Adam and Eve didn't suffer too much over Cain. Genesis 4:26 (KJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.
They didn't stop with Cain, but birthed more sons and daughters, Seth when Adam was 130, Adam dying at 930 years of age. Cain's age when murdering Abel is not recorded, but he lived as a marked murderer to probably take a sister or maybe a daughter of Abel, or maybe a granddaughter or other relative while a marked murderer to found a new city named after his own son.
I take from that God warns us not to mask or lie to Him bout our sins. He warned Cain that sin was at the door, like He warned Adam before Adam fell in sin. He warns man. But even when we sin after being warned He is ready to forgive upon our repentance. What a wonderful God!
I wonder some about how history might have been changed had Cain repented. Instead he contributed to a world of sinners that unlike Seth's influence, led to the necessity of drowning the world of wicked men.
Not really sure where to begin here lol. A lot of the questions herein can be answered simply just by reading this specific chapter. So I guess let's read the chapter 4 of the book of Genesis.
Genesis 4
1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the Lord said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
[SUP]7 [/SUP]If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And the Lord said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;
[SUP]12 [/SUP]When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.
Genesis 4
1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the Lord said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
[SUP]7 [/SUP]If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And the Lord said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;
[SUP]12 [/SUP]When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.
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Here's the clincher (for me). The Lord God is, was and ever more will be Omnipotent. He was not surprised at all with the fall of man. In fact, He had to have known BEFORE mankind fell that Adam would sin. God created man knowing he was going to fall short and screw the whole world up. Think about that. It was in the Lord's perfect plan.
I get a glimpse of that reality when I think how I chose to get pregnant and then birth my children, knowing there was 100% possibility they would screw up at times and more than likely break my heart and neglect my love for them. But I did it anyway. Why? Because I wanted to have children so I could love them. It would bring me joy to love them and make them joyful, too in this life.
God created us for His own pleasure in this way. Except He made a perfect way of restoring us when we do fall. Jesus Christ.
I get a glimpse of that reality when I think how I chose to get pregnant and then birth my children, knowing there was 100% possibility they would screw up at times and more than likely break my heart and neglect my love for them. But I did it anyway. Why? Because I wanted to have children so I could love them. It would bring me joy to love them and make them joyful, too in this life.
God created us for His own pleasure in this way. Except He made a perfect way of restoring us when we do fall. Jesus Christ.
Just for clarification, Cain and Abel were not said to be twins from one conception. It only says Eve again bare. She did that many times. The record of birth twins in the Bible has been clearly stated, as with Esau and Jacob. Looking at Genesis 5:3-5 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
[SUP]4 [/SUP] And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
[SUP]5 [/SUP] And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
Would you assume all that happened from one conception? Of course not. It is recorded that Adam only "knew" his wife twice, to bear Cain and Seth. She bore all the other sons and daughters with the fair assumption that in all births Adam "knew" Eve to conceive them.
It's a minor point, I realize, but I think we ought to maintain scriptural accuracy.
I agree completely with the last part of your quote.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
[SUP]4 [/SUP] And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
[SUP]5 [/SUP] And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
Would you assume all that happened from one conception? Of course not. It is recorded that Adam only "knew" his wife twice, to bear Cain and Seth. She bore all the other sons and daughters with the fair assumption that in all births Adam "knew" Eve to conceive them.
It's a minor point, I realize, but I think we ought to maintain scriptural accuracy.
I agree completely with the last part of your quote.