Christ took God's wrath for you

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thecreationtutor

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IntoTheVoid said:
Why couldn't god just say 'I forgive you all?'

Rather than having his son barbarically sacrificed?
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I will answer this way as well

Justification - Justification is having something that meets the standards given

to get into college, you need your transcripts and meet the requirements for the college
to get a job, you need a resume to meet the requirements for the job

If you meet the requirements you can get the interview and be selected to enter in

Justification with God is the same way

You meet the requirements of sinless perfection, Jesus is our perfection, by believing on Him, and His work, on His name(which it's more than just the Name of Jesus but all this characteristics and work)

Justification isn't just forgiveness it's also invitation to relationship with God - all on His terms
 
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16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.


  • Luke 3:7John said to the crowds coming out to be baptized by him, “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath?

    Romans 2:5
    • But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed.

36Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

Romans 9
22 What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction?23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory—


  • 1 Thessalonians 5:9For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Thessalonians 1:10and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath



  • Ephesians 2:3All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath.


  • Romans 5:9Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him!

    I would have to conclude that the wrath of God does not abide on a sinner at this moment, but is a future thing to come, so you cannot really see someone who is outside Christ as having the wrath of God on them vs a believer who will not see wrath

    this is also why psalms talks about the pleasantness in the world that unbeleivers have but their end is what David reflects on


 
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Christ took no mans wrath of God, who are abiding under God's Wrath. Jn 3:36

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Thats insane to say that Christ took away God's Wrath from these. If He did, He did a poor job of it !
 
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Christ took no mans wrath of God, who are abiding under God's Wrath. Jn 3:36

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Thats insane to say that Christ took away God's Wrath from these. If He did, He did a poor job of it !
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what other Scriptures support that?
 
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svedbygrace said:
Christ took no mans wrath of God, who are abiding under God's Wrath. Jn 3:36

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Thats insane to say that Christ took away God's Wrath from these. If He did, He did a poor job of it !
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Also are you applying this to the Eternal - how things play out as a sum total of the work of God - or on the here and now Finite where we experience life as it comes?
 
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Read my posts. Duh !
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10 For if, when we[believers] were enemies[unbelievers], we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Christ took no mans wrath of God, who are abiding under God's Wrath. Jn 3:36

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.



so is a person who is elect - but has not reached the moment of salvation - does he have God's wrath on him? vs someone who is not elect

how do we know if the wrath of God is on someone? is there a sign or a difference?
 
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so is a person who is elect - but has not reached the moment of salvation - does he have God's wrath on him?
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NO. Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

how do we know if the wrath of God is on someone? is there a sign or a difference?
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There is no way of knowing until one becomes saved by His Life[a believer]. If one becomes a believer, then they were never under God's Wrath in the first place !
 
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svedbygrace said:
NO. Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.




There is no way of knowing until one becomes saved by His Life[a believer]. If one becomes a believer, then they were never under God's Wrath in the first place !
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well then, how is it not future wrath then to be experienced upon death and judgement?
into the void asked a good question because outside of Christ - they are not feeling the wrath of God
 
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