Churches and Straight-Shooters

[resurrection33]

If want to find perfection, don't look at a church or a mirror.

If you going to try to change a church. You are only going to stir up trouble and probably be asked to leave. Talk to the Pastor (it is his church) and if he is not willing to hear correction ( a fool mocks, but a wise man listens to correction and becomes wiser), the best thing to do, is to find another church, even if you grandma's, grandma' went there from the beginning of time. The pastor is the leader and you will be viewed as undermining his authority and a trouble maker. Now if there are a large number of the congregation in agreement, thats a different story. However, you will need the guidance of the Holy Spirit as you may cause the church to split, which happens a lot. I've been through a church splitting and it is not joyful nor pleasant, matter of fact, its heart breaking and an awful witness to those young in the Lord.

You are wrong. If a church has gone astray, it is good to try to get it to repent.

 

[gb9]

to me, a straight-shooting church is a church that does not have an agenda and the pastor preaches and teaches the Bible and not just re-hashes the same verses over and over.

 

[JGIG]

I think you need to obey all of the commandments before you can be called a straight-shooter.

Then absolutely no one is a straight-shooter

.

Your OP is flawed based on that simple reality.

-JGIG

 

[Stormbird]

First, foremost and above all things, what does the word of God say on these subjects?
Do we despise the word of God when it speaks against these things that man permits?
We are either doing and following what the word of God says, or we're not! There is no riding the lukewarm fence with God! We are either hot or cold!

 

[gb9]

correct. what does the Word say? rightly divided and taken in proper context. not just what the pastor or the denomination believe or they are pushing.

 

[resurrection33]

Then absolutely no one is a straight-shooter

.

Your OP is flawed based on that simple reality.

-JGIG

We have all sinned, but we have been commanded to repent (Matt 4:17). Jesus said we must be perfect (Matt 5:48).

 

[resurrection33]

First, foremost and above all things, what does the word of God say on these subjects?
Do we despise the word of God when it speaks against these things that man permits?
We are either doing and following what the word of God says, or we're not! There is no riding the lukewarm fence with God! We are either hot or cold!

What does the Lord say? He tells us to repent of our sin (Matt 4:17).

 

[MySavior]

my church aint like that, they are good ppl.

 

[resurrection33]

correct. what does the Word say? rightly divided and taken in proper context. not just what the pastor or the denomination believe or they are pushing.

Pastors and denominations frequently, I suspect, go astray by choosing to behave pridefully. That is really what this thread is all about.

 

[resurrection33]

my church aint like that, they are good ppl.

I think most of the people in my church are good, too. Still, there is always a certain amount of sin in a church, and sometimes that sin causes great trouble for some of its members.

 

[JGIG]

I think you need to obey all of the commandments before you can be called a straight-shooter.

Then absolutely no one is a straight-shooter

.

Your OP is flawed based on that simple reality.

-JGIG

We have all sinned, but we have been commanded to repent (Matt 4:17). Jesus said we must be perfect (Matt 5:48).

-JGIG