Dr, Ben Carson
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That's an easy thing to say when you grew up in a civilization in which these things are viewed as pariahs. CS Lewis and other modern Natural Law theorists were right when they said people are aware of a moral code. They underestimated man's ability to twist and contort it over time.
All of these things, in different times and different places, were viewed either as a moral good or occasionally acceptable. Religion informs the culture, the culture informs the state. The state writes in law what is in the culture so as to punish evil and reward good lest the public err from that desired good.
A statesman is vital in the process of making sure that murder, incest, rape, etc. are still considered moral evils. Why? Because you are right, many people don't think they need religion or any ethical system at all. That is why an ethical system of some sort must be imposed upon them.
If you sincerely believe that allowances for murder, stealing, incest, and sexual abuse, you really are better off casting your lot in with evangelical Christians than almost every other political sub-group out there.
I say this as a Presbyterian (albeit a very conservative one) who cannot stand many aspects of evangelical churches today. Impose your lack of liturgy on me, then we're living in a theocracy...punks...
I'll give you credit, Nautilus. I like that you have such a fight in you. Though I sincerely wish you would take it and apply it in a different direction.
All of these things, in different times and different places, were viewed either as a moral good or occasionally acceptable. Religion informs the culture, the culture informs the state. The state writes in law what is in the culture so as to punish evil and reward good lest the public err from that desired good.
A statesman is vital in the process of making sure that murder, incest, rape, etc. are still considered moral evils. Why? Because you are right, many people don't think they need religion or any ethical system at all. That is why an ethical system of some sort must be imposed upon them.
If you sincerely believe that allowances for murder, stealing, incest, and sexual abuse, you really are better off casting your lot in with evangelical Christians than almost every other political sub-group out there.
I say this as a Presbyterian (albeit a very conservative one) who cannot stand many aspects of evangelical churches today. Impose your lack of liturgy on me, then we're living in a theocracy...punks...
I'll give you credit, Nautilus. I like that you have such a fight in you. Though I sincerely wish you would take it and apply it in a different direction.
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Because you don't care what God's Word says and you don't care what God's position is on this issue. You only care what Nautilus's position is but Nautilus can't see why God's design for humanity matters to individuals and their progeny (both spiritually and non-spiritually) and the societies themselves which every historical study on the issues reveals are successful if they correctly implement it and unsuccessful when they don't.
Nautilus can't see much at all but he has no problem standing against God, "for Christ," in complete disregard of the temporal and eternal consequences to himself, society, and the world.
Nautilus can't see much at all but he has no problem standing against God, "for Christ," in complete disregard of the temporal and eternal consequences to himself, society, and the world.
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Dr. Carson has announced his exploratory committee today. Positive move toward running.
[video=youtube;Gze5cqk2O5U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gze5cqk2O5U&feature=youtu.be[/video]
Video is from Carson for America: Unite Heal Thrive
[video=youtube;Gze5cqk2O5U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gze5cqk2O5U&feature=youtu.be[/video]
Video is from Carson for America: Unite Heal Thrive
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Given that this thread has taken such a turn away from the OP..........hmm, and I should know........
I will say that it seems clear to me that the only people in the US who are forced to conform to the beliefs of others are Christians. I am compelled to ask: Why is that?
I will say that it seems clear to me that the only people in the US who are forced to conform to the beliefs of others are Christians. I am compelled to ask: Why is that?
Those nasty, uncompromising, non tolerant Christians!
They WILL force us to change, or they will destroy us.
That is what they beleive, and that is their goal.
They may kill me, but they will not change me!
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Well, Ben just lost my vote.
He apologized for his statement that being a homosexual was a choice.
He apologized for his statement that being a homosexual was a choice.