Dying of Thirst in CA. (Please send me some Perrier)

[RickyZ]

Mr Vigilant, we're not talking the whole world, we're talking California. Where reservoirs have run dry or are about to. Where communities have run dry or are about to. Where food and water have to be trucked in from out of state because we just don't have enough resources to provide for ourselves. Geez, do you live anywhere near LA? It's like living in the Logan's Run movie.

Glad to lighten your day sir. But I find that those who resort to name calling and sarcasm generally do so because their arguments are at best specious.

 

[RickyZ]

Bill Gates has the solution, he's making water from poop. Comment about CA being full of the raw material to make water by the process is being considered.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Ya got that one right Rog. Which is precisely why we're in the process of abandoning this place.

 

[RickyZ]

Actually, I liked Sam Kinison's take on the starving Somalians of the 80's. Something along the lines of 'of course you're starving! You live in a desert. Move to where food grows!'

Which really sums it all up on this debate. California just flat doesn't have the natural resources, be they food or water, to support itself. The answer a la Mr VW would be to redistribute the population to areas that can provide for them. But we're not. Every week the LA Times runs articles about the state running out of water right next to articles about communities approving another 500 to 1000 living units in a single neighborhood. Glendale, in a neighborhood that is already gridlocked from dawn to dusk, just opened up another 535 apartments on a single block. When I fly back from Minnesota over the valley at dark, it's a solid string of car lights from one horizon to the other, on every street and highway. It's insanity, which goes back to Roger. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe this state does have enough water for it's needs. They just need Mr Gate's BS converter to access it.

So, Mr VW, you're right and I'm right. It's not an issue of overall population vs overall resources, it's the misalignment of the two that creates the problems of having to chose between pumping and little fish in this little corner of the world.

 

[damombomb]

I believe the Lord allows things so we will turn our attention to him.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Mr Vigilant, we're not talking the whole world, we're talking California. Where reservoirs have run dry or are about to. Where communities have run dry or are about to. Where food and water have to be trucked in from out of state because we just don't have enough resources to provide for ourselves.

Newsflash, Rick. You've been buying food from Missouri and Kansas -- and every other farm state -- for 100 years, so that's nothing new. As for your water supply, what happened, the aqueducts collapse?? Last I knew they were working just fine. If you're in L.A., your water doesn't come from northern California. It comes from your mountain snow runoff, and some of it comes from Arizona, and the Colorado River Basin. I just checked: The Colorado River webcams show water flowing from the source at La Poudre Pass Lake in Rocky Mtn. Nat'l Park, all the way down through the Grand Canyon and into the southeastern tip of California just like it has since The Flood or shortly thereafter. And no ...

... do you live anywhere near LA?

... I don't, but I'm out there semi-regularly and to say ...

... "It's like living in the Logan's Run movie."

... is something I can say with authority to be gross exaggeration.

... I find that those who resort to name calling and sarcasm generally do so because their arguments are at best specious.

Tell that to the facts I posted alongside the sarcasm, 'k?

 

[notuptome]

Ya got that one right Rog. Which is precisely why we're in the process of abandoning this place.

Gov. Moonbeam will rescue you. You guys need a pipeline from the great lakes over the mountains to pump in some water. I'll bet Warren Buffet would build it and make a ton of money in the process. Water costing more than gas. What a great solution.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[RickyZ]

Newsflash, As for your water supply, what happened, the aqueducts collapse?? Last I knew they were working just fine. If you're in L.A., your water doesn't come from northern California. It comes from your mountain snow runoff, and some of it comes from Arizona, and the Colorado River Basin.

Well, right there pretty much blows holes in your "facts". In case you haven't watched the evening news for the past several years, CA is in the midst of a severe drought, some say the most severe since records have been kept. Aqueducts don't work unless you got something to flow thru them and state reservoirs are at an all time low. So are the reservoirs fed by the Colorado, it's flows have been remarkably low for several years as well. Californians showed their stupidity by voting in a bond measure to build more reservoirs and aqueducts. That's like fighting a gas shortage by building more gas tanks. If there's no product to fill them, having more to fill ain't going to help you.

But the real spoiler is the idea that SoCal gets it's water from local mountain runoff and not the north. Let's see, how did you put it? Oh yeah...

Our local mountain runoff runs to the sea. The vast majority of our water does indeed come from the fading Colorado river and northern California. You're obviously not up to speed on the decades of strife between the north and the south over that very issue. Particularly with the Owens Valley which has been turned into a dustbin by SoCal pumping it all south. Jeez dude you really gave yourself away on that one.

Thanks for the morning laugh. I guess that makes us even.

 

[RickyZ]

Gov. Moonbeam will rescue you. You guys need a pipeline from the great lakes over the mountains to pump in some water. I'll bet Warren Buffet would build it and make a ton of money in the process. Water costing more than gas. What a great solution.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Gov moonbeam is just another in a long line of laughable governors. And don't think they're not talking schemes like pipelines from the great lakes. Santa Barbara is awesome... during the last drought, when their one source of water was just about exhausted, they decided to build a desalinization plant. Dumped millions into it. But then we got a wet year and they abandoned it, selling off it's equipment to the Saudis at fire sale prices. Now their reservoir is drying up again and they have to start all over. The brightest and the best ... are conspicuously missing from this state. Soon we will be too.

 

[p_rehbein]

Gov. Moonbeam will rescue you. You guys need a pipeline from the great lakes over the mountains to pump in some water. I'll bet Warren Buffet would build it and make a ton of money in the process. Water costing more than gas. What a great solution.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Since they don't want to build that pipe line from Canada to Texas to transport crude oil for refining, maybe Canada could just reroute the pipe line and pump water to Cali?

Instead of "Big Oil" to hate, the libs could hate on "Big Water!"

 

[RickyZ]

... I don't, but I'm out there semi-regularly and to say ...

... is something I can say with authority to be gross exaggeration.

According to the us census bureau, 2013, LA has a population density of about 8300 people per square mile. Subtract all the undeveloped hillsides/land, you're looking at closer to 9,000+ per square mile. I sat on the 405 today, took me 10 minutes to go one mile (that's why they call it the 405, cause you only go 4 or 5 mph). Arteries on the Westside that feed the 405 move notoriously slower (that mile can take up to an hour). Last year, the LA City Council approved a new high-rise with 800 living units in a part of town that is already seriously gridlocked.

How is that not a burgeoning Logan's Run society?

 

[RickyZ]

Since they don't want to build that pipe line from Canada to Texas to transport crude oil for refining, maybe Canada could just reroute the pipe line and pump water to Cali?

Instead of "Big Oil" to hate, the libs could hate on "Big Water!"

Oh, but they already do. Have you heard the latest, that those wind turbines they use to generate green electricity contribute to global warming because they slow the wind down? See, they even hate big wind! (Even tho so many are so full of it!)

 

[p_rehbein]

According to the us census bureau, 2013, LA has a population density of about 8300 people per square mile. Subtract all the undeveloped hillsides/land, you're looking at closer to 9,000+ per square mile. I sat on the 405 today, took me 10 minutes to go one mile (that's why they call it the 405, cause you only go 4 or 5 mph). Arteries on the Westside that feed the 405 move notoriously slower (that mile can take up to an hour). Last year, the LA City Council approved a new high-rise with 800 living units in a part of town that is already seriously gridlocked.

How is that not a burgeoning Logan's Run society?

the "huddling together of the ignorant masses............" The Socialists goal is it not?

 

[RickyZ]

Which is why the wife and I are outta there!

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

According to the us census bureau, 2013, LA has a population density of about 8300 people per square mile. Subtract all the undeveloped hillsides/land, you're looking at closer to 9,000+ per square mile. I sat on the 405 today, took me 10 minutes to go one mile (that's why they call it the 405, cause you only go 4 or 5 mph). Arteries on the Westside that feed the 405 move notoriously slower (that mile can take up to an hour). Last year, the LA City Council approved a new high-rise with 800 living units in a part of town that is already seriously gridlocked.

How is that not a burgeoning Logan's Run society?

Well, when they build a Carousel and start sacrificing everyone on their 30th birthday, I'll take that comparison seriously. The only reason it is crowded like that is because people continue to live there despite complaining constantly about the traffic, the air, the desert climate, etc. They don't like it, move!

I thought we were talking about the source of your water shortage, not the "burgeoning cesspool" that is L.A.

 

[RickyZ]

It's all related, part of that big picture thing. But like you said, we're getting out of that cesspool. Not soon enough tho!

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

"With California facing one of the most severe droughts on record, Governor Brown declared a drought State of Emergency in January and directed state officials to take all necessary actions to prepare for water shortages."

Source: California Drought

Read: The massive scale of California’s drought, and how it informs the climate change debate - The Washington Post

California has always been an arid state. The drought is more "critical" now because the state has four times the population than it had 60 years ago. That's FOUR TIMES as many people in a mere 60 years!

And guess what, in California CIS reports that 91% of California's rapid population growth between 2000 to 2007 were foreign immigrants and their anchors: Population, Immigration, and the Drying of the American Southwest | Center for Immigration Studies

By 2050, California's population is projected to reach 50 million people.

I'm stuck here for probably another decade and a half but my advice is as soon as you retire and have a check that comes in the mail: abandon ship!

This thing's smoldering and growing rapidly worse over time. The water and government's ability to keep borrowing itself further into debt are both going to run bone dry at some point creating a volatile socio-economic tinder keg.

Which is why the wife and I are outta there!